2014 draft: kings fans Insight

[Big_Cat]

He led his team in FGA one season in Atlanta, his last. But again, I am not disputing Josh Smith being an inefficient player as of recently. What am I saying is the situation in Sacramento would be much more suitable for him to play in. We have Demarcus Cousins, the most dominant center in the league, offensively, and run our offense through him. Atlanta didn't have that. Their offense was primarily Joe Johnson and Josh Smith throwing up shots. It's why Rudy Gay was a better player in Memphis than in Toronto and why he played better here in Sac.

His last 5 seasons...
2012-2013 - 1st FGA for Atlanta
2011-2012 - 1st FGA for Atlanta
2010-2011 - 2nd FGA for Atlanta
2009-2010 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta
2008-2009 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta

I'm saying...good luck in trying to make Josh Smith accept and be happy with having less shots and having a smaller role in the offense. Josh Smith will want to be the first or second option on offense...as he has wanted for the majority of his career.

How would this set our team back 3-4 years? First of all we would have another lottery pick, potentially filling a need. Secondly, Rudy Gay is presumably picking up his player option, he would be gone after one season. Josh Smith would still be signed for 2 more years, not that huge of a deal. Even if it didn't work out and we had another poor season, there's no way it hurts Cousins' trade value. As a young, dominant center, there will always be a team out there willing to give us a solid return for him.

Let's assume we trade Carl Landry and Jason Terry for Josh Smith. Are we still resigning Isaiah? If Gay doesn't opt out...then we won't even come close to affording a roster of Gay/Smith/DeMarcus...so this entire conversation is pointless. (In fact if Gay doesn't opt out...odds are we won't be able to resign Isaiah or add anyone else to the roster without dumping Landry/Thompson for cap space).

Let's say Gay and Isaiah are resigned to multi-year deals. Gay was viewed as one of the worst contracts in the league at the start of this season...if he regresses again...his value will plummet back to where it was at the start of the season. If we are able to trade Carl Landry + Jason Terry for Josh Smith...and the team doesn't work...then what happens to his trade value? Absolutely zero. DeMarcus? Of course he will still have some value...but it will be damaged. We might view DeMarcus as a promising young center...others will view him as a player with questionable character problems and chucking tendencies.

[Big_Cat]

Stop with the Josh Smith trades...

People who have been looking to obtain Josh Smith clearly have not watched a single minute of Detroit Pistons basketball this season.

It's not just Smith though, just like it wasn't just Rudy Gay in Toronto. Go with that logic and Rudy is never traded for. When Josh Smith can be what he is he has shown over his career he can be a valuable part of a team, but just like any non-universally great player that sheen will wear off in the wrong situation. He would be an interesting dynamic on the Kings but some of the dynamic on the team currently would have to change to make it work as you mentioned above.

Rudy Gay works in the right situation (I'm still not 100% sold on Gay either). However, as I believe you would agree, Isaiah/Gay/DeMarcus is not the right situation for Josh Smith...instead I think those 4 players together will absolutely self destruct together.


Isaiah Thomas, Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, DeMarcus Cousins...pick at most 3 out of the 4 and fill the other two starting spots will defensive role players...and you might have something that works. You simply cannot have 4 players in your starting lineup that will combine for nearly 75% of the total FGA's. (Especially the case if we would like McLemore to amount to anything at all...otherwise you're just agreeing that McLemore will have the same career trajectory as Jimmer and Thomas Robinson on Sacramento)

[City of Trees]

People who have been looking to obtain Josh Smith clearly have not watched a single minute of Detroit Pistons basketball this season.

It's not just Smith though, just like it wasn't just Rudy Gay in Toronto. Go with that logic and Rudy is never traded for. When Josh Smith can be what he is he has shown over his career he can be a valuable part of a team, but just like any non-universally great player that sheen will wear off in the wrong situation. He would be an interesting dynamic on the Kings but some of the dynamic on the team currently would have to change to make it work as you mentioned above.

Rudy Gay works in the right situation (I'm still not 100% sold on Gay either). However, as I believe you would agree, Isaiah/Gay/DeMarcus is not the right situation for Josh Smith...instead I think those 4 players together will absolutely self destruct together.


Isaiah Thomas, Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, DeMarcus Cousins...pick at most 3 out of the 4 and fill the other two starting spots will defensive role players...and you might have something that works. You simply cannot have 4 players in your starting lineup that will combine for nearly 75% of the total FGA's. (Especially the case if we would like McLemore to amount to anything at all...otherwise you're just agreeing that McLemore will have the same career trajectory as Jimmer and Thomas Robinson on Sacramento)

Trade Gay for Smith? Trade Landry for a wing defender. Trade down from #8 for a wing player like Wilson Chandler. Draft Payne, McDaniels, or Ennis.

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[orlandomanic]

Any Kings fans want to post for Sacramento on the Mock draft. Just click on the link below and select your player....


http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1324196

[SacKingZZZ]

It's not just Smith though, just like it wasn't just Rudy Gay in Toronto. Go with that logic and Rudy is never traded for. When Josh Smith can be what he is he has shown over his career he can be a valuable part of a team, but just like any non-universally great player that sheen will wear off in the wrong situation. He would be an interesting dynamic on the Kings but some of the dynamic on the team currently would have to change to make it work as you mentioned above.

Rudy Gay works in the right situation (I'm still not 100% sold on Gay either). However, as I believe you would agree, Isaiah/Gay/DeMarcus is not the right situation for Josh Smith...instead I think those 4 players together will absolutely self destruct together.


Isaiah Thomas, Rudy Gay, Josh Smith, DeMarcus Cousins...pick at most 3 out of the 4 and fill the other two starting spots will defensive role players...and you might have something that works. You simply cannot have 4 players in your starting lineup that will combine for nearly 75% of the total FGA's. (Especially the case if we would like McLemore to amount to anything at all...otherwise you're just agreeing that McLemore will have the same career trajectory as Jimmer and Thomas Robinson on Sacramento)

Trade Gay for Smith? Trade Landry for a wing defender. Trade down from #8 for a wing player like Wilson Chandler. Draft Payne, McDaniels, or Ennis.

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I wouldn't, I think Gay is a much more prolific and better option as a number 2 option than Smith. I think the intrigue with Smith is what the 3 of Gay, Cousins, and Smith could look like. Might be a disaster, but it might just work.

[Sacramento_King]

His last 5 seasons...
2012-2013 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster him or Horford
2011-2012 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster Joe Johnson or Josh Smith
2010-2011 - 2nd FGA for Atlanta Joe Johnson 1st in shots
2009-2010 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Jamal Crawford 2nd and then Smith
2008-2009 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Bibby 2nd and then Smith

I'm saying...good luck in trying to make Josh Smith accept and be happy with having less shots and having a smaller role in the offense. Josh Smith will want to be the first or second option on offense...as he has wanted for the majority of his career.

On those Hawk teams, the field goals attempted seem about correct based on talent. Who should've gotten more shots on those teams?

Let's say Gay and Isaiah are resigned to multi-year deals. Gay was viewed as one of the worst contracts in the league at the start of this season...if he regresses again...his value will plummet back to where it was at the start of the season. If we are able to trade Carl Landry + Jason Terry for Josh Smith...and the team doesn't work...then what happens to his trade value? Absolutely zero. DeMarcus? Of course he will still have some value...but it will be damaged. We might view DeMarcus as a promising young center...others will view him as a player with questionable character problems and chucking tendencies.

Gay isnt opting out of 19 million to sign for less annual no matter what we hope. His best bet is stay healthy, continue to get good press and try and sign a final big money deal at 29. So we worry about him next year. Landry and Terry for Smith and we're arguing about it. Are you kidding? You do it and laugh to the bank. Get one more young asset. I just read how Gay may be included in a deal for Love. You need talent to do that. If Detroit wants to cut ties with Smith and take pennies on the dollar, you take the risk 99% of the time.

[City of Trees]

I think the intrigue with Smith is what the 3 of Gay, Cousins, and Smith could look like.

[Big_Cat]

His last 5 seasons...
2012-2013 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster him or Horford
2011-2012 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster Joe Johnson or Josh Smith
2010-2011 - 2nd FGA for Atlanta Joe Johnson 1st in shots
2009-2010 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Jamal Crawford 2nd and then Smith
2008-2009 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Bibby 2nd and then Smith

I'm saying...good luck in trying to make Josh Smith accept and be happy with having less shots and having a smaller role in the offense. Josh Smith will want to be the first or second option on offense...as he has wanted for the majority of his career.

On those Hawk teams, the field goals attempted seem about correct based on talent. Who should've gotten more shots on those teams?

Let's say Gay and Isaiah are resigned to multi-year deals. Gay was viewed as one of the worst contracts in the league at the start of this season...if he regresses again...his value will plummet back to where it was at the start of the season. If we are able to trade Carl Landry + Jason Terry for Josh Smith...and the team doesn't work...then what happens to his trade value? Absolutely zero. DeMarcus? Of course he will still have some value...but it will be damaged. We might view DeMarcus as a promising young center...others will view him as a player with questionable character problems and chucking tendencies.

Gay isnt opting out of 19 million to sign for less annual no matter what we hope. His best bet is stay healthy, continue to get good press and try and sign a final big money deal at 29. So we worry about him next year. Landry and Terry for Smith and we're arguing about it. Are you kidding? You do it and laugh to the bank. Get one more young asset. I just read how Gay may be included in a deal for Love. You need talent to do that. If Detroit wants to cut ties with Smith and take pennies on the dollar, you take the risk 99% of the time.

I'm just going to assume you don't watch any Pistons or previous Hawks games at all. Why? Because if you ever watched any actual games, you'd recognize the problem with his high FGA isn't that there weren't other options, it's because he jacks up terrible terrible shots and has absolutely no control on his shot selection. These weren't plays ran for Josh Smith, these were boneheaded jump shots where he is incredibly weak at. If Josh Smith had any kind of control on his shots and focused on driving or shooting high % shots...he'd be an elite PF. But instead he just shoots whatever the f**k he wants and thinks he's Larry Bird or some sh*t.

[Big_Cat]

His last 5 seasons...
2012-2013 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster him or Horford
2011-2012 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster Joe Johnson or Josh Smith
2010-2011 - 2nd FGA for Atlanta Joe Johnson 1st in shots
2009-2010 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Jamal Crawford 2nd and then Smith
2008-2009 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Bibby 2nd and then Smith

I'm saying...good luck in trying to make Josh Smith accept and be happy with having less shots and having a smaller role in the offense. Josh Smith will want to be the first or second option on offense...as he has wanted for the majority of his career.

On those Hawk teams, the field goals attempted seem about correct based on talent. Who should've gotten more shots on those teams?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzDsCRj_os[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKlbohjx5l8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXewhOb9ATs[/youtube]


Shots like these are not because of a lack of options, they are because of low basketball IQ and absolutely no self control whatsoever.

[City of Trees]

^^^^^^ Oh boy

[Big_Cat]

His last 5 seasons...
2012-2013 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster him or Horford
2011-2012 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster Joe Johnson or Josh Smith
2010-2011 - 2nd FGA for Atlanta Joe Johnson 1st in shots
2009-2010 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Jamal Crawford 2nd and then Smith
2008-2009 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Bibby 2nd and then Smith

I'm saying...good luck in trying to make Josh Smith accept and be happy with having less shots and having a smaller role in the offense. Josh Smith will want to be the first or second option on offense...as he has wanted for the majority of his career.

On those Hawk teams, the field goals attempted seem about correct based on talent. Who should've gotten more shots on those teams?

*Can't figure out how to rescale an image...so here is his shot distribution chart for 2013-2014*
http://espngrantland.files.wordpress.co ... th1152.jpg

I also LOVE the quote they have of him

I'm a basketball player. People try to throw statistics in there. I'm not one to look at where I am on the court (when I shoot)" - Josh Smith

Josh Smith is an elite talent when he attacks the basket or shoots within the paint...yet he somehow cannot stop taking horrible, horrible, horrible, jumpshots. He's done it his entire career and still has not changed a single bit. He is absolutely terrible at jumpshots, elite when he drives...but Josh Smith still thinks he should take over half his shots as jumpers.



What is DeMarcus' biggest problem on offense? The one thing that has been driving fans and coaches crazy? All the horrible mid-range jumpshots he takes when he should have his ass in the paint and operating from within. Boogie is one of the best offensive talents near the basket in the NBA right now...and he below average when he's taking jumpshots. So yes...it would be a GREAT idea bringing in a veteran that has a history throughout his entire career of taking horrible jumpshots...he'll be the ideal influence on DeMarucs.



DeMarcus 2012-2013 shooting chart.

[pillwenney]

I'm not worried about his influence on Demarcus at all. Demarcus' shot selection was much improved last year and he's a good enough shooter where jumpers aren't such a bad thing.

But yeah, otherwise, I'd be highly skeptical of Smith to say the least. I suppose in his defense, he played out of position at SF a lot last year next to two very post-oriented bigs in Monroe and Drummond.

If we can't find some other option at PF, and Malone things he can wrangle in his jump shooting, I would consider Thompson/Landry for him since it's pretty similar financially. But nothing more. #8 shouldn't even be in the discussion.

[Sacramento_King]

His last 5 seasons...
2012-2013 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster him or Horford
2011-2012 - 1st FGA for Atlanta Best player on roster Joe Johnson or Josh Smith
2010-2011 - 2nd FGA for Atlanta Joe Johnson 1st in shots
2009-2010 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Jamal Crawford 2nd and then Smith
2008-2009 - 3rd FGA for Atlanta JJ 1st, Bibby 2nd and then Smith

I'm saying...good luck in trying to make Josh Smith accept and be happy with having less shots and having a smaller role in the offense. Josh Smith will want to be the first or second option on offense...as he has wanted for the majority of his career.

On those Hawk teams, the field goals attempted seem about correct based on talent. Who should've gotten more shots on those teams?

Again, who should've taken more shots on those teams? Not arguing quality of shots but who should have shot more. Also, two of those videos were end of game plays which he wont be involved in for the most part. I dont see a lot of cuts or movement in either as well so not a plethora of options available.

DMC is alpha male. He will eat with or without Josh Smith. I doubt he sees Smith take a 3 pointer and he decides he wants to one up him and make one from farther. If so, that's not Smith but on DMC.

Dude, Smith for Landry and Terry is a no brainer. Like you said Gay was untradeable and now he's a piece in getting Love possibly. A change can be amazing for some players.

[City of Trees]

On those Hawk teams, the field goals attempted seem about correct based on talent. Who should've gotten more shots on those teams?

Again, who should've taken more shots on those teams? Not arguing quality of shots but who should have shot more. Also, two of those videos were end of game plays which he wont be involved in for the most part. I dont see a lot of cuts or movement in either as well so not a plethora of options available.

DMC is alpha male. He will eat with or without Josh Smith. I doubt he sees Smith take a 3 pointer and he decides he wants to one up him and make one from farther. If so, that's not Smith but on DMC.

Dude, Smith for Landry and Terry is a no brainer. Like you said Gay was untradeable and now he's a piece in getting Love possibly. A change can be amazing for some players.

I'd do Landry & Terry for Smith even though I'm unsure if he can succeed with Gay.

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