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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#761 » by TASTIC » Mon Jun 2, 2014 12:26 pm

Big NBA Fan wrote:I still think the Suns should try and bring back Marion.

He's not what he used to be, but he is still a good player.

I'd offer him 2yr vet min, but that's all. Would be a nice feel good story but he was horrible in the playoffs...
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Post#762 » by Big NBA Fan » Mon Jun 2, 2014 12:43 pm

He did say he wants to win another few championships before he retires in a few years and I agree Miami gives him the best chance to do that...BUT...he wasn't happy with the way Spoelstra used him during his time there.

With that being said, they play faster now than they did back then and he would be a perfect fit there.

Plus, I don't think they will keep Beasley after this season; he has failed there this season just like he's failed everywhere else due to his HORRIBLE basketball IQ and terrible defense.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#763 » by NTB » Mon Jun 2, 2014 2:36 pm

PJ Tucker is better than Marion at the moment.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#764 » by thamadkant » Mon Jun 2, 2014 7:24 pm

Marion can bother Lebron and Durant with his length and bounce ... Tucker can't.

Tucker does well against shorter elite wings though who try bully their way to the paint like Harden, maybe Wade etc

You can have both and cover both types of star wings .
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Post#765 » by Krush32 » Tue Jun 3, 2014 5:03 am

Tucker replacements I think we should look at:

Ariza
Thabo
Kirilenko
Granger
Al Fariq Aminu

I like Ariza and Thabo because they are veterans and play defense. Aminu seems like a guy who could flourish in our system playing the 4 and some 3. He would gobble up rebs and run the lanes.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#766 » by TASTIC » Tue Jun 3, 2014 12:32 pm

Krush32 wrote:Tucker replacements I think we should look at:

Ariza
Thabo
Kirilenko
Granger
Al Fariq Aminu

I like Ariza and Thabo because they are veterans and play defense. Aminu seems like a guy who could flourish in our system playing the 4 and some 3. He would gobble up rebs and run the lanes.

I like that list, but Ariza is not a good option cos he's going to cost at LEAST $7m per. Wouldn't surprise me if he ended up back in LAL...

I'd go for Aminu first there - he's still so young, athletic and has great athleticism and he's a very good defensive rebounder for his size and as you say, can legitimately cover the 3 and 4.

I think AK will ask for the MLE at minimum - he took that paycut last year and has a player option, so can't see him taking less than $5m per...but stranger things have happened.

Thabo...there's something up with him, Brooks mismanaged him but he also didn't bounce back at all. Can see him landing on CHI where he first started in the NBA...

Granger pass. I think he's done and would cost the MLE as well, which I wouldn't risk on those knees.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#767 » by JMac1 » Tue Jun 3, 2014 12:47 pm

Krush32 wrote:Tucker replacements I think we should look at:

Ariza
Thabo
Kirilenko
Granger
Al Fariq Aminu

I like Ariza and Thabo because they are veterans and play defense. Aminu seems like a guy who could flourish in our system playing the 4 and some 3. He would gobble up rebs and run the lanes.


Perfect example why we should draft a rookie and play him. I'd prefer several rookies over these guys. Some people here act like we are one piece away. A waste of money and time with these guys.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#768 » by DRK » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:45 am

Dont know how credible this is, but apparently the Rockets might decline Parson's option, making him a UFA....................

Heard about it from a FB page... Again, take it with a grain of salt.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#769 » by Sunsss » Wed Jun 4, 2014 2:50 am

DRK wrote:Dont know how credible this is, but apparently the Rockets might decline Parson's option, making him a UFA....................

Heard about it from a FB page... Again, take it with a grain of salt.

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Post#770 » by bigfoot » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:28 am

Lot of drooling over Hayward during the season. Now that Parsons is available as a RFA does it make sense to go after him instead??

If the Suns threw out a decent offer for Parsons it becomes really hard for the Rockets to match with Harden, Dwight, Asik, and Lin. They want to make a run at Melo too.

Parsons can score and hit the three but is he better than PJ Tucker?
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Post#771 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:42 am

Yes Parsons is a huge upgrade over Tucker and I wouldn't be against offering max given his age. We could still re-sign Tucker and let Frye go...

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Post#772 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:43 am

It would be very hard to pry Chandler away from them since they aren't making him an RFA so he could be put on the trade block He's there so they can resign him after trying to get that 3rd max FA.

Our best approach is to maybe do what Rockets did to get Asik and Lin but heavily back load Chandler's contract offer.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#773 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:47 am

DRK wrote:Dont know how credible this is, but apparently the Rockets might decline Parson's option, making him a UFA....................

Heard about it from a FB page... Again, take it with a grain of salt.


It's on the ticker. They just hope to re-sign him after going after a max free agent, and I'm pretty sure he wants to be there, but we could go after him as a restricted free agent.

I think they would be more hesitant to match a big offer than Utah would on Hayward, but I don't know if people here would want him.

I'm pretty fine with Tucker for now and developing rookies for the future. Hopefully we get a couple good wings in the draft. I'd be happy with any two of Stauskas, Harris, Young or Early. I'm a little lower on Warren and Hood, but wouldn't mind McDermott.

Most all of those first four guys can hit the 3 and slash to the basket. Goodwin is more of a guy that gets to the basket for now. These guys are still behind Green as rookies, but if Bledsoe (or Dragic) goes down and Green starts, these guys (or Goodwin) could come off the bench at the 2. Young or Early could be long term 3s to come off the bench or start in a few years if they progress enough behind Tucker and/or replace Morris.

Unless we can get Vonleh (or maybe Payne if all those guys above are gone), I'd stick with our 4s for now and/or maybe go for one in a trade (Milsap?). I read today that many teams (including Atlanta) would trade for a 2nd lottery pick. Doubt they'd trade Horford for just the 14th but I'd offer it and something else for Millsap (obviously I'd offer this stuff for Horford but I think they'd quickly decline).
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#774 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:48 am

lilfishi22 wrote:It would be very hard to pry Chandler away from them since they aren't making him an RFA so he could be put on the trade block He's there so they can resign him after trying to get that 3rd max FA.

Our best approach is to maybe do what Rockets did to get Asik and Lin but heavily back load Chandler's contract offer.


I don't think you can heavily load a contract in the back end unless it's a 2nd round pick (Arenas, Lin, Asik). First round picks will always make more in a max anyway.
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Post#775 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:52 am

My bad, wasn't aware of that fact. Thought it was all the same once they've reached RFA status.
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Post#776 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed Jun 4, 2014 3:57 am

Interesting strategy by Houston giving up a cheap yr of parsons to make him a restricted free agent instead of letting him hit the market as an unrestricted free agent next summer. Gives them alor more control in keeping him but def costs money. I guess they must be comfortable matching the 4 yr mini max.

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Post#777 » by BurningHeart » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:05 am

DirtyDez wrote:Yes Parsons is a huge upgrade over Tucker and I wouldn't be against offering max given his age. We could still re-sign Tucker and let Frye go...

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You wouldn't be opposed to offering CHANDLER PARSONS a max contract?!
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Post#778 » by DirtyDez » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:10 am

BurningHeart wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:Yes Parsons is a huge upgrade over Tucker and I wouldn't be against offering max given his age. We could still re-sign Tucker and let Frye go...

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You wouldn't be opposed to offering CHANDLER PARSONS a max contract?!


His max is what 12m a year for a 25 year old two-way player? I mean it's not gonna happen cause Morey won't let him walk but he's a perfect fit since he can play 2 positions.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 

Post#779 » by Sunsss » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:13 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:It would be very hard to pry Chandler away from them since they aren't making him an RFA so he could be put on the trade block He's there so they can resign him after trying to get that 3rd max FA.

Our best approach is to maybe do what Rockets did to get Asik and Lin but heavily back load Chandler's contract offer.


I don't think you can heavily load a contract in the back end unless it's a 2nd round pick (Arenas, Lin, Asik). First round picks will always make more in a max anyway.

Parsons was a second round pick.

I don't think he's worth the max. Can he be the second (or even third) best player on a contender? I think Rockets' system fits him well.
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Post#780 » by bwgood77 » Wed Jun 4, 2014 4:24 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:It would be very hard to pry Chandler away from them since they aren't making him an RFA so he could be put on the trade block He's there so they can resign him after trying to get that 3rd max FA.

Our best approach is to maybe do what Rockets did to get Asik and Lin but heavily back load Chandler's contract offer.


I don't think you can heavily load a contract in the back end unless it's a 2nd round pick (Arenas, Lin, Asik). First round picks will always make more in a max anyway.

Parsons was a second round pick.

I don't think he's worth the max. Can he be the second (or even third) best player on a contender? I think Rockets' system fits him well.


Oh, I didn't realize (or had forgotten) he was a second rounder. I was thinking 2nd rounders could only get $5 million the first year of their 2nd contract, but you can backload it (Or maybe it is $8.3 million, but you can structure it to be backloaded). He's definitely worth $5 million. I don't think he'd leave though unless we gave him a max and then maybe not because I think he loves his situation there. But money does talk. But if they get Melo they may not need him.

Though I am not an expert by any means on the money thing because now I remember Ford said he could be worth or command $12-$13 million a year, which seems excessive.

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