Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

europa · Post #1801 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:18 pm

The hype around Yao at the time was off the charts. He was already a star in China when he was drafted and was expected to bring the NBA to that country on a global scale. Hell, they made a movie about him when he was a rookie. I'd say the hype around Yao was greater than any prospect the NBA has seen in the last decade other than LeBron. And I'm not sure he's far behind LeBron when you factor in the international aura Yao carried with him.

Chuck Diesel · Post #1802 » by **Chuck Diesel** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:19 pm

I'm actually fine drafting Exum.

milweskee · Post #1803 » by **milweskee** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:19 pm

There's really a mixed bag of not so great prospects starting at #8. I can see why Sacramento wants out.

M-C-G · Post #1804 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:21 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
emunney wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:I think Ford is right on one thing: point guard is definitely the biggest need. It's why I think adding Exum probably adds the most wins in 2015.

Exum will probably also be the most effective player from day one, don't you think?

I think so.

How do you think Exum compares to Austin Rivers the prospect?

DX Strengths of Rivers
"Absolute explosive first step", "gets to the line", "ball handling", intangibles "coaches son", "fierce competitor"

I know Exum has a few inches on the wing span, I think Rivers may have been considered a better shooter, but that comp scares me a bit, seeing how much Rivers struggled.

DanoMac · Post #1805 » by **DanoMac** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:21 pm

Villanoeyebrows wrote:I love Parker's pedigree. That cover reminds me of what a special prospect he is.

Ron Swanson · Post #1806 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:25 pm

M-C-G wrote:
How do you think Exum compares to Austin Rivers the prospect?

DX Strengths of Rivers
"Absolute explosive first step", "gets to the line", "ball handling", intangibles "coaches son", "fierce competitor"

I know Exum has a few inches on the wing span, I think Rivers may have been considered a better shooter, but that comp scares me a bit, seeing how much Rivers struggled.

I don't see any similarities between the two whatsoever. Austin Rivers isn't even half the athlete that Exum is.

You're talking about a guy (Exum) who is basically a lock to go top 5 and comparing him to another guy (Rivers) that was a reach at #10 because of his last name...

DanoMac · Post #1807 » by **DanoMac** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I don't see any similarities between the two whatsoever. Austin Rivers isn't even half the athlete that Exum is.

Huh? Rivers is way more athletic than Exum. Exum's more finesse.

MrPerfect1 · Post #1808 » by **MrPerfect1** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:31 pm

DocHoliday wrote:Philly is offering #3+Thad Young to go up to #1, and Henson is still on his rookie friendlier deal. Just sayin.

#3 + Young is a pretty ridiculous offer for #1. I would suspect CLE laughed them off the phone with that offer.

M-C-G · Post #1809 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:32 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
How do you think Exum compares to Austin Rivers the prospect?

DX Strengths of Rivers
"Absolute explosive first step", "gets to the line", "ball handling", intangibles "coaches son", "fierce competitor"

I know Exum has a few inches on the wing span, I think Rivers may have been considered a better shooter, but that comp scares me a bit, seeing how much Rivers struggled.

I don't see any similarities between the two whatsoever. Austin Rivers isn't even half the athlete that Exum is.

You're talking about a guy (Exum) who is basically a lock to go top 5 and comparing him to another guy (Rivers) that was a reach at #10 because of his last name...

Combine measures of
AR - Max vert 37.5, Agility 11.4, Sprint 3.32
Ex - Max vert 34.5, Agility 10.7, Sprint 3.19

Similar strengths, build, measures, again, Exum is longer, but I don't know that Exum is a much better athlete

europa · Post #1810 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:32 pm

MrPerfect1 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:Philly is offering #3+Thad Young to go up to #1, and Henson is still on his rookie friendlier deal. Just sayin.

#3 + Young is a pretty ridiculous offer for #1. I would suspect CLE laughed them off the phone with that offer.

From Cleveland's perspective, any conversation the Sixers should want to have has to include both 3 and 10 as the starting points. If they weren't starting there it would be a very short call for me.

Badgerlander · Post #1811 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:35 pm

europa wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:Philly is offering #3+Thad Young to go up to #1, and Henson is still on his rookie friendlier deal. Just sayin.

#3 + Young is a pretty ridiculous offer for #1. I would suspect CLE laughed them off the phone with that offer.

From Cleveland's perspective, any conversation the Sixers should want to have has to include both 3 and 10 as the starting points. If they weren't starting there it would be a very short call for me.

Cleveland isn't rebuilding, they are trying to make the playoffs

europa · Post #1812 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:36 pm

DocHoliday wrote:
europa wrote:
MrPerfect1 wrote:
#3 + Young is a pretty ridiculous offer for #1. I would suspect CLE laughed them off the phone with that offer.

From Cleveland's perspective, any conversation the Sixers should want to have has to include both 3 and 10 as the starting points. If they weren't starting there it would be a very short call for me.

Cleveland isn't rebuilding, they are trying to make the playoffs

True but they need to maximize the value of the pick if they want to trade it.

Then again, these are the Cavs so ...

Wooderson · Post #1813 » by **Wooderson** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:39 pm

M-C-G wrote:
How do you think Exum compares to Austin Rivers the prospect?

DX Strengths of Rivers
"Absolute explosive first step", "gets to the line", "ball handling", intangibles "coaches son", "fierce competitor"

I know Exum has a few inches on the wing span, I think Rivers may have been considered a better shooter, but that comp scares me a bit, seeing how much Rivers struggled.

Exum's a much better playmaker/passer than Rivers. He also has better physical tools imo. Huge advantage in standing reach (6 inches) plus better quickness. I also think he has a higher BBIQ and is far craftier on offense eg, ability to post up on offense and score or set up others.

Diggr14 · Post #1814 » by **Diggr14** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:39 pm

Ming was quite a good player when he was healthy.

I dont think the comp to Embiid is a good one though. Body types were drastically different.

Badgerlander · Post #1815 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:41 pm

europa wrote:
DocHoliday wrote:
europa wrote:
From Cleveland's perspective, any conversation the Sixers should want to have has to include both 3 and 10 as the starting points. If they weren't starting there it would be a very short call for me.

Cleveland isn't rebuilding, they are trying to make the playoffs

True but they need to maximize the value of the pick if they want to trade it.

Then again, these are the Cavs so ...

You're moving 2 spots in a 3-4 player draft, asking for another top 10 pick for that is an awful lot.

europa · Post #1816 » by **europa** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:42 pm

DocHoliday wrote:You're moving 2 spots in a 3-4 player draft, asking for another top 10 pick for that is an awful lot.

For the No. 1 pick in a draft you're damn right I'm gonna ask for an awful lot. In this draft I may go crazy with my demands.

M-C-G · Post #1817 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:44 pm

Wooderson wrote:
M-C-G wrote:
How do you think Exum compares to Austin Rivers the prospect?

DX Strengths of Rivers
"Absolute explosive first step", "gets to the line", "ball handling", intangibles "coaches son", "fierce competitor"

I know Exum has a few inches on the wing span, I think Rivers may have been considered a better shooter, but that comp scares me a bit, seeing how much Rivers struggled.

Exum's a much better playmaker/passer than Rivers. He also has better physical tools imo. Huge advantage in standing reach (6 inches) plus better quickness. I also think he just has a higher BBIQ and is far craftier on offense eg, ability to post up on offense and score or set up others.

I agree with he has better tools, I am not sure about better quickness as Rivers was really touted for that. And I am not sure about BBIQ, as I thought Rivers was also strongly touted for that. I do think Exum will be a much better offensive cog and creator.

My concern is that Exum's floor could look very similar to a young Rivers. I think people assuming he is going to create more wins next year than Parker, Embiid or Wiggin, must think incredibly high of him.

Other than the DX videos, I really don't know much about him, but am obviously intrigued by him. I am just not sure he is a lock to be better than Rivers day 1. I will have to go back and see how Rivers was considered as a prospect on the boards, frankly I can't recall.

Ron Swanson · Post #1818 » by **Ron Swanson** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:47 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:
I don't see any similarities between the two whatsoever. Austin Rivers isn't even half the athlete that Exum is.

You're talking about a guy (Exum) who is basically a lock to go top 5 and comparing him to another guy (Rivers) that was a reach at #10 because of his last name...

Combine measures of
AR - Max vert 37.5, Agility 11.4, Sprint 3.32
Ex - Max vert 34.5, Agility 10.7, Sprint 3.19

Similar strengths, build, measures, again, Exum is longer, but I don't know that Exum is a much better athlete

You're not taking size into account. Exum is a legit 6'6 with a 6'9.5 wingspan vs. a 6'4 (6'7 wingspan) Rivers. If we were going off of raw combine numbers, Markel Brown would be a top 3 "athlete" in this current draft.

I would consider a taller, faster, ball-dominant guard to be a better athlete than a 6'4, off-ball shooting guard. Much in the same way I'd consider Giannis a better "athlete" than Tony Allen, despite the fact that he can't jump as high as him.

emunney · Post #1819 » by **emunney** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:48 pm

M-C-G wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
emunney wrote:
Exum will probably also be the most effective player from day one, don't you think?

I think so.

How do you think Exum compares to Austin Rivers the prospect?

DX Strengths of Rivers
"Absolute explosive first step", "gets to the line", "ball handling", intangibles "coaches son", "fierce competitor"

I know Exum has a few inches on the wing span, I think Rivers may have been considered a better shooter, but that comp scares me a bit, seeing how much Rivers struggled.

Exum turns the corner better and does it with his head up. He's much longer. Better defender. Rivers was a better shooter but struggled similarly from the FT line. Exum is a more fluid mover. They don't really play alike. It had never occurred to me to compare them.

I also don't think the book is closed on Rivers, who flat out left school before he was ready.

Newz · Post #1820 » by **Newz** » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:50 pm

3 + Young for 1 wouldn't surprise me for the simple fact that it's the Cavs who would be accepting the trade. They are the only franchise in the NBA that I think is more abysmal than the Bucks.

How the **** can you win the lottery to take LeBron, not win a championship with him... then get lucky as **** and win it twice more only to end up with Irving and Bennet to show with it... and also with only Karasev to show for 19th overall, Waiters to show for 4th overall and Thompson to show for 4th overall?

You almost have to try to draft that bad with that many good picks.

Assuming Embiid goes #1, who is your guy at #2?