2014 FIFA World Cup: Group H (BEL/ALG/RUS/KOR)

Andi Obst · Post #241 » by **Andi Obst** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:37 pm

Korea

Clincher · Post #242 » by **Clincher** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:37 pm

Be ashamed Korea. Be ashamed.

Post #243 » by **5DOM** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:38 pm

Destroyed. I thought Algeria was supposed to be the weakest in this group?

El Turco · Post #244 » by **El Turco** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:39 pm

Clincher wrote:
El Belgian wrote:you guys were talking about taking a spot away from africa?

Nigeria, Ivory Coast and Algeria got some really good luck to be where they are group wise.

Ghana sadly no. Cameroon woulda **** the bed in any group honestly, so it worked out there.

they are beating out uefa and afc teams, guess gotta take teams away from those confederations.

Post #245 » by **TMU** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:39 pm

Korea is clearly the weakest in the Group. They look like a bunch of high schoolers trying to kick a ball. Algeria is simply too physical and athletic for them.

Andi Obst · Post #246 » by **Andi Obst** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:39 pm

Korean defense makes Djourou and Senderos look solid :lol:

Rasho Brezec · Post #247 » by **Rasho Brezec** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:39 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
Clincher wrote:Uneven groups but alas

Uruguay and Italy lost to Costa Rica. They have no excuse.

That's fine, upsets happen. But there is no need to lose two elite teams in the group stage. Instead of losing one of Italy or Uruguay, we also lost England.

The problem with your argument is that they're not elite as evidenced by their results. The seeding system is fine.

No_20 · Post #248 » by **No_20** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:39 pm

Brazil - Chile
Netherlands - Mexico
Colombia - Italy
Costa Rica - Ivory Coast
France - Nigeria
Argentina - Switzerland
Germany - Algeria(1982 history)
Belgium - USA

Crappy matchups? Really?

El Turco · Post #249 » by **El Turco** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:39 pm

5DOM wrote:Destroyed. I thought Algeria was supposed to be the weakest in this group?

don't know much about its players but algeria has a pretty damn good coach, which makes all the difference in tournaments.

Ted Lasso · Post #250 » by **Ted Lasso** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:44 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
Clincher wrote:Uneven groups but alas

Uruguay and Italy lost to Costa Rica. They have no excuse.

That's fine, upsets happen. But there is no need to lose two elite teams in the group stage. Instead of losing one of Italy or Uruguay, we also lost England.

They can't keep teams apart on the basis of their reputations. And since they have to set the unseeded pots by confederation, they can't do what they do in the Champions League have each pot be determined by team rankings.

All they can really do is improve the seeding system, which they absolutely need to.

Also, i think you're flattering England a tad.

Point forward · Post #251 » by **Point forward** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:44 pm

Raps in 4 · Post #252 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:45 pm

Rasho Brezec wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
Uruguay and Italy lost to Costa Rica. They have no excuse.

That's fine, upsets happen. But there is no need to lose two elite teams in the group stage. Instead of losing one of Italy or Uruguay, we also lost England.

The problem with your argument is that they're not elite as evidenced by their results. The seeding system is fine.

Do you honestly think that Algeria, Nigeria, and a washed up Ivory Coast are going to make for exciting and competitive round of 16 matchups?

El Turco · Post #253 » by **El Turco** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:46 pm

i don't see how england is any better than algeria or ivory coast

Clincher · Post #254 » by **Clincher** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:46 pm

El Belgian wrote:
Clincher wrote:
El Belgian wrote:you guys were talking about taking a spot away from africa?

Nigeria, Ivory Coast and Algeria got some really good luck to be where they are group wise.

Ghana sadly no. Cameroon woulda **** the bed in any group honestly, so it worked out there.

they are beating out uefa and afc teams, guess gotta take teams away from those confederations.

Sweden got the tough break of being in the same group as Germany in the UEFA WC qualifier. Greece was in the same situation as Sweden but drew Romania, Sweden drew Portugal who I think are a tad bit tougher than Romania. Bosnia's most difficult teams in their UEFA qualifier group were Slovakia and Greece, they're not Germany.

They lost 2 1 goal games to Portugal.

Put Sweden in over Bosnia and Greece and it'll be a little harder for Ivory Coast/Nigeria. I think most if not all would want to see Sweden over Greece who may go out of this tourney without a goal scored.

Ted Lasso · Post #255 » by **Ted Lasso** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:48 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
That's fine, upsets happen. But there is no need to lose two elite teams in the group stage. Instead of losing one of Italy or Uruguay, we also lost England.

The problem with your argument is that they're not elite as evidenced by their results. The seeding system is fine.

Do you honestly think that Algeria, Nigeria, and a washed up Ivory Coast are going to make for exciting and competitive round of 16 matchups?

I think you're relying too heavily on perceived strength and reputation for your argument here.

Point forward · Post #256 » by **Point forward** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:49 pm

You could allow more teams into the WC, but 32 teams is hefty already.

Raps in 4 · Post #257 » by **Raps in 4** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:50 pm

Ted Lasso wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Rasho Brezec wrote:The problem with your argument is that they're not elite as evidenced by their results. The seeding system is fine.

Do you honestly think that Algeria, Nigeria, and a washed up Ivory Coast are going to make for exciting and competitive round of 16 matchups?

I think you're relying too heavily on perceived strength and reputation for your argument here.

No, what I'm saying is that some groups are a joke and will let sub par teams through into the round of 16, at the expense of more competitive teams.

El Turco · Post #258 » by **El Turco** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:51 pm

Clincher wrote:
El Belgian wrote:
Clincher wrote:Nigeria, Ivory Coast and Algeria got some really good luck to be where they are group wise.

Ghana sadly no. Cameroon woulda **** the bed in any group honestly, so it worked out there.

they are beating out uefa and afc teams, guess gotta take teams away from those confederations.

Sweden got the tough break of being in the same group as Germany in the UEFA WC qualifier. Greece was in the same situation as Sweden but drew Romania, Sweden drew Portugal who I think are a tad bit tougher than Romania. Bosnia's most difficult teams in their UEFA qualifier group were Slovakia and Greece, they're not Germany.

They lost 2 1 goal games to Portugal.

Put Sweden in over Bosnia and Greece and it'll be a little harder for Ivory Coast/Nigeria. I think most if not all would want to see Sweden over Greece who may go out of this tourney without a goal scored.

greece always gets the easiest draws, it is in the by laws of uefa. bosnia absolutely deserved to go over sweden.

Clincher · Post #259 » by **Clincher** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:52 pm

5DOM wrote:Destroyed. I thought Algeria was supposed to be the weakest in this group?

They got that because they didn't score a goal in the 2010 WC against England, US or Slovenia.

El Turco · Post #260 » by **El Turco** » Sun Jun 22, 2014 7:54 pm

Raps in 4 wrote:
Ted Lasso wrote:
Raps in 4 wrote:
Do you honestly think that Algeria, Nigeria, and a washed up Ivory Coast are going to make for exciting and competitive round of 16 matchups?

I think you're relying too heavily on perceived strength and reputation for your argument here.

No, what I'm saying is that some groups are a joke and will let sub par teams through into the round of 16.

are you advocating american system of coaches and journos voting for rankings? that will go smoothly with high integrity establishment like fifa.

Who advances from Group H?