Official Draft Thread 3: Picks #4 and #12

InFlames · Post #1241 » by **InFlames** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:13 pm

IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
InFlames wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
Nobody knows what deals were on the table, but you'd be lying if you said you weren't disappointed in light of all the rumours of better deals being out there. If this is the best thing on the table we might've been better suited waiting til the trade deadline. People can say this adds flexibility, but now if we are in trade talks with a team that wants a vet, we don't have anybody good to throw into the trade

I'm not disappointed. Fournier is a 21 year old that has shown flashes who is good enough to be a late lotto pick in this draft. I also don't let myself get excited over twitter rumors.

Well what were you expecting for afflalo if you don't put any stock in rumours?

I wasn't expecting anything really. I knew that he would be traded but I didn't have any idea what he would be traded for.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #1242 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:13 pm

Magic#1 wrote:I really think this points to us taking Exum if he's there or if he's not I wouldn't be surprised to see us go Smart. Wow.

I don't think it points to anything, we could still take vonleh and payton, we have 2 draft picks, everybody expects us to get a pg with one of them

Tayswagzzz · Post #1243 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:14 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:Was Arron Afflalos twitter profile always like this? twitter.com/arronafflalo

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He changed it last night...they told him I'm guessing.

Orange Ave. · Post #1244 » by **Orange Ave.** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:14 pm

Think of it this way. Evan F. would be a late lottery pick in this years draft.

Why? Look at his adjusted stats per 40mpg.

He's a 17/5/4 guy against NBA talent right now. Noone wants to give me a 10-20 pick for Afflalo? Okay, I'll get a young guy who I have data on.

Hennigan may have done it again. I'm cautiously optimistic to see.

Today's NBA is analytics. Speculation not based on data has gone the way of the dinosaurs. Right now, there is a huge information gap between GMs and fans.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1245 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:16 pm

Tayswagzzz wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Was Arron Afflalos twitter profile always like this? twitter.com/arronafflalo

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He changed it last night...they told him I'm guessing.

Interesting, thanks

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InFlames · Post #1246 » by **InFlames** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:16 pm

Orange Ave. wrote:Think of it this way. Evan F. would be a late lottery pick in this years draft.

Why? Look at his adjusted stats per 40mpg.

He's a 17/5/4 guy against NBA talent right now. Noone wants to give me a 10-20 pick for Afflalo? Okay, I'll get a young guy who I have data on.

Hennigan may have done it again. I'm cautiously optimistic to see.

Today's NBA is analytics. Speculation not based on data has gone the way of the dinosaurs. Right now, there is a huge information gap between GMs and fans.

Good post.

Jocaugust · Post #1247 » by **Jocaugust** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:19 pm

I think we are very well still in play to move up. We could engage Philly and Cleveland in trade talks still but for the 3rd and not the first

I can see a scenario that looks like

Cle gets: #4 (Embiid), #12

Philly gets, #1(Wiggins)

Orl gets, #3(Whoever Bucks dont take; probably Exum) and contract of Jarrett Jack

I could also seeing Nelson getting flipped somewhere else for another pick, Maybe LA for Nash and 7th???

I'd be content with #3, #7 and #56

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1248 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:20 pm

Well I wanted to move up to draft Stauskas, but Fournier sounds just as good if not bettet. Just wish we could've got anothet asset, the 11th pick and Fournier would've been a great trade.

Still have no idea who we're targeting at #12

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woosah · Post #1249 » by **woosah** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:21 pm

DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:Was Arron Afflalos twitter profile always like this? twitter.com/arronafflalo

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He changed it last night...they told him I'm guessing.

Interesting, thanks

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nah, he changed it a while ago. At least 3 weeks, maybe a month. I do think they told him though because his last tweet was "enough is enough". Then a day or two later you got the story saying AA is open to being traded.

thelead · Post #1250 » by **thelead** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:22 pm

Things are getting ugly here and in the US/GER game

Reverse_Angle · Post #1251 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:22 pm

If Henny trades Dipo, he will lose my confidence. This is not because I think Dipo is untouchable and/or a superstar in the making, but Henny would be negating his decision to pick him just a year ago should he trade him away.

If we trade Dipo + 4 + 12 to Cleveland, that means we have Wiggins or Parker to show for 2 years of taking and collecting assets.

Post #1252 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:23 pm

Reverse_Angle wrote:
Def Swami wrote:Thats's it? Wow. I'm out.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/482176769303515136[/tweet]

Not that bad actually, we need a guy with Fornier's skills (high 3p% guy with potential to grow more).

I agree. I needed time to really evaluate the deal outside the context of the whole rumors of trading up for the #1 pick. It's a good deal; similar to the JJ Redick trade. Young, mid-1st round draft pick still on rookie contract with nice per 36 stats.

Magic#1 · Post #1253 » by **Magic#1** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:23 pm

Reverse_Angle wrote:If Henny trades Dipo, he will lose my confidence. This is not because I think Dipo is untouchable and/or a superstar in the making, but Henny would be negating his decision to pick him just a year ago should he trade him away.

If we trade Dipo + 4 + 12 to Cleveland, that means we have Wiggins or Parker to show for 2 years of taking and collecting assets.

Who knows what will happen, but I don't think you'll see us making a move like that.

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #1254 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:24 pm

Jocaugust wrote:I think we are very well still in play to move up. We could engage Philly and Cleveland in trade talks still but for the 3rd and not the first

I can see a scenario that looks like

Cle gets: #4 (Embiid), #12

Philly gets, #1(Wiggins)

Orl gets, #3(Whoever Bucks dont take; probably Exum) and contract of Jarrett Jack

I could also seeing Nelson getting flipped somewhere else for another pick, Maybe LA for Nash and 7th???

I'd be content with #3, #7 and #56

Wait, so philly gives up only the 3rd pick and gets the first?

tiderulz · Post #1255 » by **tiderulz** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:24 pm

InFlames wrote:
Orange Ave. wrote:Think of it this way. Evan F. would be a late lottery pick in this years draft.

Why? Look at his adjusted stats per 40mpg.

He's a 17/5/4 guy against NBA talent right now. Noone wants to give me a 10-20 pick for Afflalo? Okay, I'll get a young guy who I have data on.

Hennigan may have done it again. I'm cautiously optimistic to see.

Today's NBA is analytics. Speculation not based on data has gone the way of the dinosaurs. Right now, there is a huge information gap between GMs and fans.

Good post.

except no one plays 40mpg. Show me his stats at 31mpg, that is more realistic. then you are talking about 13/3.5/2 as a starter.

Tayswagzzz · Post #1256 » by **Tayswagzzz** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:25 pm

Such a strange trade. Really liked Afflalo. Good character guy, enjoyed mentoring the young guys, and didn't mind playing for a rebuilding team. I hope there is more to this trade.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1257 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:25 pm

woosah wrote:
DiplomaticMagic wrote:
Tayswagzzz wrote:
He changed it last night...they told him I'm guessing.

Interesting, thanks

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nah, he changed it a while ago. At least 3 weeks, maybe a month. I do think they told him though because his last tweet was "enough is enough". Then a day or two later you got the story saying AA is open to being traded.

So he's had the twitter egg profile pic for a few weeks now?

theTHIEF · Post #1258 » by **theTHIEF** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:25 pm

I miss the era of this board without twitter, we had to be way more creative, fewer rumors.

KillMonger · Post #1259 » by **KillMonger** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:26 pm

InFlames wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
InFlames wrote:
Who cares what the rest of the league is saying. Obviously we all overrated Afflalo's value around here.

It is just us, its everybody who writes and talks about basketball, its the rumours that say we turned down a deal for the ninth pick or that we are packaging him for the first pick, national sports writers saying afflalo is a top 4 sg etc etc, it isn't like, oh wow, this board is overrating afflalo

So because other people are saying that it makes it true? Not to mention none of those people are even affiliated with actual NBA teams. If we could have gotten the 8th pick we would have. Or do you think Rob just took a worse deal on purpose?

wish I could and 1 on my phone......I agree, people aren't using the gray matter they were born with..... We don't know what deals were on the table and henny wouldn't take a worse deal if a better one was on the table...... Come on people think

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Driguez · Post #1260 » by **Driguez** » Thu Jun 26, 2014 5:28 pm

Big Boss wrote:
InFlames wrote:
IGotDaMagicInMe wrote:
It is just us, its everybody who writes and talks about basketball, its the rumours that say we turned down a deal for the ninth pick or that we are packaging him for the first pick, national sports writers saying afflalo is a top 4 sg etc etc, it isn't like, oh wow, this board is overrating afflalo

So because other people are saying that it makes it true? Not to mention none of those people are even affiliated with actual NBA teams. If we could have gotten the 8th pick we would have. Or do you think Rob just took a worse deal on purpose?
wish I could and 1 on my phone......I agree, people aren't using the gray matter they were born with..... We don't know what deals were on the table and henny wouldn't take a worse deal if a better one was on the table...... Come on people think

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