The Nik Stauskas Thread

[mrknowitall215]

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Stauskas has the best suit

[MasterIchiro]

Anybody think failing to trade Henderson for Afflalo helps Stauskas' stock at 9?

[BeesWax]

Sophomore years:

18.1 PPG, 51 FG%, 47 3P%, 4.0 RPG, 2.3 APG

17.5 PPG, 47 FG%, 44 3P%, 2.9 RPG, 3.3 APG



I couldn't tell much the difference

You commented specifically on the court vision in your post. That was what I shot down and proved against an extra assist per game minus any more turnovers is significant. Also if you look at the teams it was a lot easier to get assists than Stauskas. Stauskas had one double digit scorer who shot above 45% from the field vs 3 for Jacobsen and two above 55%. He racked up some easy assist with the Collins twins on the inside. As for shooting and defense they are very close. Never thought of Jacobsen as quite as much of an athlete but they are not far off.

Do I really have to go back to my original post about the comparison? OK, I will...

Nik Stauskas = Casey Jacobsen

Like it or not, that's what it is. I've come to grips with it upon further review of Stauskas' lack of defense, and overrated court vision. Jacobsen was a very similar, almost identical prospect coming out of Stanford over a decade ago

'very similar'; almost identical;' are the choice words I used

Which is not the same case between the two. Comparing their court vision given the information I provided is not even worthy of mention. Their court vision was on entirely different levels given the situations for both players in their sophomore years. Thank you for not making me go back and point out your flaws by reposting.

[mrknowitall215]

Anybody think failing to trade Henderson for Afflalo helps Stauskas' stock at 9?

No

[MasterIchiro]

Anybody think failing to trade Henderson for Afflalo helps Stauskas' stock at 9?

No

Let's say McDermott + Stauskas are tied going in. Had they added Afflalo at SG, would they have been more inclined to draft McDermott?

[mrknowitall215]

You commented specifically on the court vision in your post. That was what I shot down and proved against an extra assist per game minus any more turnovers is significant. Also if you look at the teams it was a lot easier to get assists than Stauskas. Stauskas had one double digit scorer who shot above 45% from the field vs 3 for Jacobsen and two above 55%. He racked up some easy assist with the Collins twins on the inside. As for shooting and defense they are very close. Never thought of Jacobsen as quite as much of an athlete but they are not far off.

Do I really have to go back to my original post about the comparison? OK, I will...

Nik Stauskas = Casey Jacobsen

Like it or not, that's what it is. I've come to grips with it upon further review of Stauskas' lack of defense, and overrated court vision. Jacobsen was a very similar, almost identical prospect coming out of Stanford over a decade ago

'very similar'; almost identical;' are the choice words I used

Which is not the same case between the two. Comparing their court vision given the information I provided is not even worthy of mention. Their court vision was on entirely different levels given the situations for both players in their sophomore years. Thank you for not making me go back and point out your flaws by reposting.

I didn't use 'overrated court vision' in a form to compare. Read it again and then comprehend how the phrase was used

[BlackOutBuzz]

You guys are killing my draft day buzz.

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[mrknowitall215]

Anybody think failing to trade Henderson for Afflalo helps Stauskas' stock at 9?

No

Let's say McDermott + Stauskas are tied going in. Had they added Afflalo at SG, would they have been more inclined to draft McDermott?

With Neal on the roster, SF still has less depth and perimeter shooting than SG

[JDR720]

You guys are killing my draft day buzz.

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they've been going at it for hours lol

[BeesWax]

Do I really have to go back to my original post about the comparison? OK, I will...



'very similar'; almost identical;' are the choice words I used

Which is not the same case between the two. Comparing their court vision given the information I provided is not even worthy of mention. Their court vision was on entirely different levels given the situations for both players in their sophomore years. Thank you for not making me go back and point out your flaws by reposting.

I didn't use 'overrated court vision' in a form to compare. Read it again and then comprehend how the phrase was used

You mention two issues and then say they are similar. No matter how you want to twist it you are implying both had overrated court vision on a similar scale. You say that because of lack of defense and overrated court vision you find the players similar. If you did not mean to include it you should have not put it in or needed to rephrase your entire argument.

[MasterIchiro]

No

Let's say McDermott + Stauskas are tied going in. Had they added Afflalo at SG, would they have been more inclined to draft McDermott?

With Neal on the roster, SF still has less depth and perimeter shooting than SG

So you think had they added Afflalo at SG, upgrading a position of existing depth, they would have been more likely to draft a SF like McDermott?

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Stauskas has the best suit

Damn Stauskas is pimpn!

[BeesWax]

Let's say McDermott + Stauskas are tied going in. Had they added Afflalo at SG, would they have been more inclined to draft McDermott?

With Neal on the roster, SF still has less depth and perimeter shooting than SG

So you think had they added Afflalo at SG, upgrading a position of existing depth, they would have been more likely to draft a SF like McDermott?

All things considered it would be possible. The key would be if they thought they could move anyone out. If Neal went out with the trade then it would not really matter anymore.

[JDR720]

Notice how Nik's suit is similar to the Hornets colors....he knows what will happen

[mrknowitall215]

Which is not the same case between the two. Comparing their court vision given the information I provided is not even worthy of mention. Their court vision was on entirely different levels given the situations for both players in their sophomore years. Thank you for not making me go back and point out your flaws by reposting.

I didn't use 'overrated court vision' in a form to compare. Read it again and then comprehend how the phrase was used

You mention two issues and then say they are similar. No matter how you want to twist it you are implying both had overrated court vision on a similar scale. You say that because of lack of defense and overrated court vision you find the players similar. If you did not mean to include it you should have not put it in or needed to rephrase your entire argument.

I don't recall Jacobsen having a anything-rated court vision so I wasn't comparing their aspects in that regard. However, I think the court vision aspect of Stauskas' game is being thrown around too gingerly as if he could seriously spell as a starting point guard if Kemba were injured. Stauskas can't handle legit on-ball pressure. He's just slightly above average at it for a shooting guard, but he's no James Harden or Andre Iguodala

[mrknowitall215]

Let's say McDermott + Stauskas are tied going in. Had they added Afflalo at SG, would they have been more inclined to draft McDermott?

With Neal on the roster, SF still has less depth and perimeter shooting than SG

So you think had they added Afflalo at SG, upgrading a position of existing depth, they would have been more likely to draft a SF like McDermott?

No, I think they're destined to add a combo guard in Gary Harris or Elfrid Payton regardless, and that they'd take Doug McDermott if they choose to go with wing shooting. I don't even think Stauskas is in the deck of cards anymore unless the aforementioned prospects are gone

[BeesWax]

I didn't use 'overrated court vision' in a form to compare. Read it again and then comprehend how the phrase was used

You mention two issues and then say they are similar. No matter how you want to twist it you are implying both had overrated court vision on a similar scale. You say that because of lack of defense and overrated court vision you find the players similar. If you did not mean to include it you should have not put it in or needed to rephrase your entire argument.

I don't recall Jacobsen having a anything-rated court vision so I wasn't comparing their aspects in that regard. However, I think the court vision aspect of Stauskas' game is being thrown around to gingerly as if he could seriously spell as a starting point guard if Kemba were injured. Stauskas can't handle legit on-ball pressure. He's just slightly above average at it for a shooting guard, but he's no James Harden or Andre Iguodala

Well if you had left out that part we would have avoided the last two hours of this mess. My point was always the difference in court vision. I agree that Stauskas won't be a PG or even a backup PG but I do think he can be a secondary ball handler and lead the break. As shooters and scorers I think he and Jacobsen are similar it is the handles and vision that separate them for me. I think Nik has the ability to go past people who close out to fast and if they close slow he can use his quick release. I think this is what separates him from Jacobsen career wise. Once Nik gets in the lane he knows how to find guys like Al for dunks if he draws defenders. He will never be your main playmaker but he can create for others when a defense is scrambling to recover which Henderson is killing us by not being able to do.

[MasterIchiro]

With Neal on the roster, SF still has less depth and perimeter shooting than SG

So you think had they added Afflalo at SG, upgrading a position of existing depth, they would have been more likely to draft a SF like McDermott?

No, I think they're destined to add a combo guard in Gary Harris or Elfrid Payton regardless, and that they'd take Doug McDermott if they choose to go with wing shooting. I don't even think Stauskas is in the deck of cards anymore unless the aforementioned prospects are gone

Why do you believe they are looking to upgrade Henderson with a combo guard after they just tried to upgrade Henderson with Afflalo? Afflalo is not a combo guard. He is more like Stauskas.

[mrknowitall215]

So you think had they added Afflalo at SG, upgrading a position of existing depth, they would have been more likely to draft a SF like McDermott?

No, I think they're destined to add a combo guard in Gary Harris or Elfrid Payton regardless, and that they'd take Doug McDermott if they choose to go with wing shooting. I don't even think Stauskas is in the deck of cards anymore unless the aforementioned prospects are gone

Why do you believe they are looking to upgrade Henderson with a combo guard after they just tried to upgrade Henderson with Afflalo? Afflalo is not a combo guard. He is more like Stauskas.

I think they are looking to upgrade Kemba and/or Henderson, and see him (Kemba) as a possible trade chip down the line pending his extension negotiations. Higgins isn't in office now, so it's Cho's free reign to build the team as he like

[BeesWax]

No, I think they're destined to add a combo guard in Gary Harris or Elfrid Payton regardless, and that they'd take Doug McDermott if they choose to go with wing shooting. I don't even think Stauskas is in the deck of cards anymore unless the aforementioned prospects are gone

Why do you believe they are looking to upgrade Henderson with a combo guard after they just tried to upgrade Henderson with Afflalo? Afflalo is not a combo guard. He is more like Stauskas.

I think they are looking to upgrade Kemba and/or Henderson, and see him (Kemba) as a possible trade chip down the line pending his extension negotiations. Higgins isn't in office now, so it's Cho's free reign to build the team as he like

Cho was here when we took Kemba and I think if there was an argument wasn't it MJ who wanted Kemba so badly?