Asik traded to NOP. One less suitor for Monroe?

[fekz]

More or less implies that they produce less than Monroe too. Don't forget that. So far, I actually made a list of Gortat and Tiago for you since you couldn't come up with any feasible list. Don't nitpick that part and not acknowledge the others in my post. Bigmen get paid, period. That's real cognitive dissonance.

Actually, scratch off Gortat, since no one knows what he'll command.

I still haven't seen your list that is comparable to Monroe and at half the cost as your implies in your post in the first page. Go for it. You won't find it kiddo.

There were 16(!) bigs this year who made around half of the 15 mil/yr that Monroe is commanding (or less), who are just as good as Monroe.

If you need to see 8 more examples to be convinced, then you're a lost cause and I'm not wasting more time with you here. Its pretty obvious to me based on this list what bigs like Monroe have getting paid by other teams around the league over the last few years. And pretty easy to see he's not worth 15 mil/yr when not one guy on that list made more than 9 mil/yr (40% less than Monroe is commanding).

That's not even counting all the bigs on rookie contracts who are just as good like Sullinger, Faried, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, etc who aren't expected to be getting any max contracts in FA when their contracts are up.

Stop overvaluing Monroe. And I see you still don't know what cognitive dissonance means.

Atlanta - Millsap (9 mil/yr)
Chicago - Gibson (8 mil/yr)
Cleveland - Varejao (9 mil/yr)
Indiana - Scola (5 mil/yr)
L.A Lakers - Jordan Hill (4 mil/yr)
Milwaukee - Ilyasova (8 mil/yr)
New Orleans - Anderson (8 mil/yr), Asik (8 mil/yr)
New York - Dalembert (4 mil/yr)
Philly - Thad Young (8 mil/yr)
Phoenix - Frye (6 mil/yr)
Portland - Lopez (5 mil/yr)
San Antonio - Splitter (8 mil/yr), Diaw (4 mil/yr)
Toronto - Amir (7 mil/yr)
Washington - Gortat (7 mil/yr)

That list tho

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About a year ago Q00 used to make good sense. I don't know wtf happened

[DetroitSho]

There were 16(!) bigs this year who made around half of the 15 mil/yr that Monroe is commanding (or less), who are just as good as Monroe.

If you need to see 8 more examples to be convinced, then you're a lost cause and I'm not wasting more time with you here. Its pretty obvious to me based on this list what bigs like Monroe have getting paid by other teams around the league over the last few years. And pretty easy to see he's not worth 15 mil/yr when not one guy on that list made more than 9 mil/yr (40% less than Monroe is commanding).

That's not even counting all the bigs on rookie contracts who are just as good like Sullinger, Faried, Tristan Thompson, Markieff Morris, etc who aren't expected to be getting any max contracts in FA when their contracts are up.

Stop overvaluing Monroe. And I see you still don't know what cognitive dissonance means.

Atlanta - Millsap (9 mil/yr)
Chicago - Gibson (8 mil/yr)
Cleveland - Varejao (9 mil/yr)
Indiana - Scola (5 mil/yr)
L.A Lakers - Jordan Hill (4 mil/yr)
Milwaukee - Ilyasova (8 mil/yr)
New Orleans - Anderson (8 mil/yr), Asik (8 mil/yr)
New York - Dalembert (4 mil/yr)
Philly - Thad Young (8 mil/yr)
Phoenix - Frye (6 mil/yr)
Portland - Lopez (5 mil/yr)
San Antonio - Splitter (8 mil/yr), Diaw (4 mil/yr)
Toronto - Amir (7 mil/yr)
Washington - Gortat (7 mil/yr)

That list tho

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About a year ago Q00 used to make good sense. I don't know wtf happened

About a year ago Q00 had a different name.

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[kurtis48239]

You guys need to chill out on the Q hate,the guy is a quality poster.

I think what this tells us is someone is going to offer him the max knowing a trade partner is gone,if somehow we luck out and sign him for a decent contract 10-11 mil then iam fine with that,but if we get stuck paying him the max,well god help this team.I just really hope stan is blowing smoke up our ass and signs someone notable that will help this team (cough lowry),because I cant stand another season with the same roster as last year.

But like someone said above, I will trust in stan until he gives me a reason not to

[Pharaoh]

Atlanta - Millsap (9 mil/yr)
Chicago - Gibson (8 mil/yr)
Cleveland - Varejao (9 mil/yr)
Indiana - Scola (5 mil/yr)
L.A Lakers - Jordan Hill (4 mil/yr)
Milwaukee - Ilyasova (8 mil/yr)
New Orleans - Anderson (8 mil/yr), Asik (8 mil/yr)
New York - Dalembert (4 mil/yr)
Philly - Thad Young (8 mil/yr)
Phoenix - Frye (6 mil/yr)
Portland - Lopez (5 mil/yr)
San Antonio - Splitter (8 mil/yr), Diaw (4 mil/yr)
Toronto - Amir (7 mil/yr)
Washington - Gortat (7 mil/yr)

Here...we...go!

Millsap...I wanted to give him Smith's contract so I'm obviously a fan.

Gibson has come on like gangbusters the last couple of years. I'm a fan of his work too

Varejao? Breaking down so no thanks.

Scola? Really? No thanks. His best days are behind him.

Hill...couldn't nail down a starting spot on the depleted Lakers. He's got potential though

Ilyasova... IMO not a legit big, more if a SF. For whatever reason he can't seem to stay healthy. Not worth his contract IMO

Anderson...seems a perfect fit beside Drummond but I'd want to know the extent of the injury before taking him over Monroe.

Asik? What? I think you're basing this on what you saw a couple of years ago. He did nothing last season. Time will tell if he can get back to his Chicago days

Dalembert...you admitted defeat on him when you used his per 36 numbers as opposed to his actual stats. Dude is not gonna play 36 mins consistently ever again.

Young...really? He's not a legit big IMO and I'm a fan of his. Another SF type but I wouldn't complain much if we had him beside Drummond at PF

Frye? Lopez? Amir? Clutching at straws with these 3 IMO. I'd take Monroe over all of them no drama at all

Splitter...until I see him outside the Spurs system in the NBA I don't think it's fair to try and label him or compare him to any of the normal bigs. Their system doesn't exactly allow him to show and prove himself...while it's perfect for Diaw. You wouldn't get that Diaw outside San Antonio so again, you can't really make the comparison IMO

Gortat...time will tell how valuable teams think he is in relation to Monroe.

Of the 16 you named Millsap, Gibson, Rhyno (maybe) and Young I'd consider instead of Monroe. The rest are not on his level or in the case of Diaw/Splitter you can't really compare

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[Q00]

Atlanta - Millsap (9 mil/yr)
Chicago - Gibson (8 mil/yr)
Cleveland - Varejao (9 mil/yr)
Indiana - Scola (5 mil/yr)
L.A Lakers - Jordan Hill (4 mil/yr)
Milwaukee - Ilyasova (8 mil/yr)
New Orleans - Anderson (8 mil/yr), Asik (8 mil/yr)
New York - Dalembert (4 mil/yr)
Philly - Thad Young (8 mil/yr)
Phoenix - Frye (6 mil/yr)
Portland - Lopez (5 mil/yr)
San Antonio - Splitter (8 mil/yr), Diaw (4 mil/yr)
Toronto - Amir (7 mil/yr)
Washington - Gortat (7 mil/yr)

Here...we...go!

Millsap...I wanted to give him Smith's contract so I'm obviously a fan.

Gibson has come on like gangbusters the last couple of years. I'm a fan of his work too

Varejao? Breaking down so no thanks.

Scola? Really? No thanks. His best days are behind him.

Hill...couldn't nail down a starting spot on the depleted Lakers. He's got potential though

Ilyasova... IMO not a legit big, more if a SF. For whatever reason he can't seem to stay healthy. Not worth his contract IMO

Anderson...seems a perfect fit beside Drummond but I'd want to know the extent of the injury before taking him over Monroe.

Asik? What? I think you're basing this on what you saw a couple of years ago. He did nothing last season. Time will tell if he can get back to his Chicago days

Dalembert...you admitted defeat on him when you used his per 36 numbers as opposed to his actual stats. Dude is not gonna play 36 mins consistently ever again.

Young...really? He's not a legit big IMO and I'm a fan of his. Another SF type but I wouldn't complain much if we had him beside Drummond at PF

Frye? Lopez? Amir? Clutching at straws with these 3 IMO. I'd take Monroe over all of them no drama at all

Splitter...until I see him outside the Spurs system in the NBA I don't think it's fair to try and label him or compare him to any of the normal bigs. Their system doesn't exactly allow him to show and prove himself...while it's perfect for Diaw. You wouldn't get that Diaw outside San Antonio so again, you can't really make the comparison IMO

Gortat...time will tell how valuable teams think he is in relation to Monroe.

Of the 16 you named Millsap, Gibson, Rhyno (maybe) and Young I'd consider instead of Monroe. The rest are not on his level or in the case of Diaw/Splitter you can't really compare

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The overvaluing of Monroe continues on I see...smh

[Invictus88]

Atlanta - Millsap (9 mil/yr)
Chicago - Gibson (8 mil/yr)
Cleveland - Varejao (9 mil/yr)
Indiana - Scola (5 mil/yr)
L.A Lakers - Jordan Hill (4 mil/yr)
Milwaukee - Ilyasova (8 mil/yr)
New Orleans - Anderson (8 mil/yr), Asik (8 mil/yr)
New York - Dalembert (4 mil/yr)
Philly - Thad Young (8 mil/yr)
Phoenix - Frye (6 mil/yr)
Portland - Lopez (5 mil/yr)
San Antonio - Splitter (8 mil/yr), Diaw (4 mil/yr)
Toronto - Amir (7 mil/yr)
Washington - Gortat (7 mil/yr)

Here...we...go!

Millsap...I wanted to give him Smith's contract so I'm obviously a fan.

Gibson has come on like gangbusters the last couple of years. I'm a fan of his work too

Varejao? Breaking down so no thanks.

Scola? Really? No thanks. His best days are behind him.

Hill...couldn't nail down a starting spot on the depleted Lakers. He's got potential though

Ilyasova... IMO not a legit big, more if a SF. For whatever reason he can't seem to stay healthy. Not worth his contract IMO

Anderson...seems a perfect fit beside Drummond but I'd want to know the extent of the injury before taking him over Monroe.

Asik? What? I think you're basing this on what you saw a couple of years ago. He did nothing last season. Time will tell if he can get back to his Chicago days

Dalembert...you admitted defeat on him when you used his per 36 numbers as opposed to his actual stats. Dude is not gonna play 36 mins consistently ever again.

Young...really? He's not a legit big IMO and I'm a fan of his. Another SF type but I wouldn't complain much if we had him beside Drummond at PF

Frye? Lopez? Amir? Clutching at straws with these 3 IMO. I'd take Monroe over all of them no drama at all

Splitter...until I see him outside the Spurs system in the NBA I don't think it's fair to try and label him or compare him to any of the normal bigs. Their system doesn't exactly allow him to show and prove himself...while it's perfect for Diaw. You wouldn't get that Diaw outside San Antonio so again, you can't really make the comparison IMO

Gortat...time will tell how valuable teams think he is in relation to Monroe.

Of the 16 you named Millsap, Gibson, Rhyno (maybe) and Young I'd consider instead of Monroe. The rest are not on his level or in the case of Diaw/Splitter you can't really compare

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The overvaluing of Monroe continues on I see...smh

Or the undervaluing depending on your vantage point.

[detroitKG]

In no way is Monroe a max player, but some of those names listed. **** a majority of those names listed lmao. Come on man enough with the undervaluing of Monroe...yikes. I haven't seen anyone claim that he's a max player, but you have to get something for him of your not retaining him. Whether that's this summer or down the line...ugh


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[Q00]

In no way is Monroe a max player, but some of those names listed. **** a majority of those names listed lmao. Come on man enough with the undervaluing of Monroe...yikes. I haven't seen anyone claim that he's a max player, but you have to get something for him of your not retaining him. Whether that's this summer or down the line...ugh


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The sad part is that people actually think Monroe is better than those names. Take off the homer shades.

I'll add some more perspective to this though for you homers...

Ben Wallace, maybe the best defensive player in Pistons history, who represented everything right about Pistons basketball, got sent walking over a 15 mil/yr offer.

Greg Monroe, maybe the worst defensive player in Pistons history, who could be the posterboy for how NOT to play Pistons basketball, is now about to get that same offer, and HE is the one worthy of being the first max player in Pistons history, who must be retained at all costs and can't walk for nothing?

Sorry, but if they can let Ben Wallace walk for nothing over a 15 mil/yr offer, they can most certainly do the same for Greg Monroe of all players.

[theBigLip]

Washington will certainly go after Monroe. Gortat is already 30. They want a young post player for the long term with Wall and Beal. THey may fall back to Gortat after we match their offer, but they are going to gun for Monroe.

[DBC10]

Here...we...go!

Millsap...I wanted to give him Smith's contract so I'm obviously a fan.

Gibson has come on like gangbusters the last couple of years. I'm a fan of his work too

Varejao? Breaking down so no thanks.

Scola? Really? No thanks. His best days are behind him.

Hill...couldn't nail down a starting spot on the depleted Lakers. He's got potential though

Ilyasova... IMO not a legit big, more if a SF. For whatever reason he can't seem to stay healthy. Not worth his contract IMO

Anderson...seems a perfect fit beside Drummond but I'd want to know the extent of the injury before taking him over Monroe.

Asik? What? I think you're basing this on what you saw a couple of years ago. He did nothing last season. Time will tell if he can get back to his Chicago days

Dalembert...you admitted defeat on him when you used his per 36 numbers as opposed to his actual stats. Dude is not gonna play 36 mins consistently ever again.

Young...really? He's not a legit big IMO and I'm a fan of his. Another SF type but I wouldn't complain much if we had him beside Drummond at PF

Frye? Lopez? Amir? Clutching at straws with these 3 IMO. I'd take Monroe over all of them no drama at all

Splitter...until I see him outside the Spurs system in the NBA I don't think it's fair to try and label him or compare him to any of the normal bigs. Their system doesn't exactly allow him to show and prove himself...while it's perfect for Diaw. You wouldn't get that Diaw outside San Antonio so again, you can't really make the comparison IMO

Gortat...time will tell how valuable teams think he is in relation to Monroe.

Of the 16 you named Millsap, Gibson, Rhyno (maybe) and Young I'd consider instead of Monroe. The rest are not on his level or in the case of Diaw/Splitter you can't really compare

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The overvaluing of Monroe continues on I see...smh

Or the undervaluing depending on your vantage point.

Eh, don't bother. Don't you know? The majority of this board is wrong.

I'm glad for the most part, this forum is on the same page.

[Invictus88]

In no way is Monroe a max player, but some of those names listed. **** a majority of those names listed lmao. Come on man enough with the undervaluing of Monroe...yikes. I haven't seen anyone claim that he's a max player, but you have to get something for him of your not retaining him. Whether that's this summer or down the line...ugh


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The sad part is that people actually think Monroe is better than those names. Take off the homer shades.

I'll add some more perspective to this though for you homers...

Ben Wallace, maybe the best defensive player in Pistons history, who represented everything right about Pistons basketball, got sent walking over a 15 mil/yr offer.

Greg Monroe, maybe the worst defensive player in Pistons history, who could be the posterboy for how NOT to play Pistons basketball, is now about to get that same offer, and HE is the one worthy of being the first max player in Pistons history, who must be retained at all costs and can't walk for nothing?

Sorry, but if they can let Ben Wallace walk for nothing over a 15 mil/yr offer, they can most certainly do the same for Greg Monroe of all players.

1. I love Ben but we played 4 on 5 on the offensive end the entire time he played for the Pistons. We just had 4 other great guys for which we could get away doing that.

2. The dumps on Greg Monroe are from your point of view. Is he slow-footed if you throw him on an athletic 4? Yes. Will he ever play above the rim like Andre does? No. Can he play decent post defense? Yes. Can his shortcomings on defense addressed with a good defensive scheme? Yes.

3. 15 Million per year in 2007 is *slightly* more painful than it is now as we have about 5 million more in cap space available. And ask Chicago how well signing Big Ben worked for them. He was past his prime at that point and the Pistons knew it. Monroe is 24 and just now entering his prime.

[DetroitSho]

In no way is Monroe a max player, but some of those names listed. **** a majority of those names listed lmao. Come on man enough with the undervaluing of Monroe...yikes. I haven't seen anyone claim that he's a max player, but you have to get something for him of your not retaining him. Whether that's this summer or down the line...ugh


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The sad part is that people actually think Monroe is better than those names. Take off the homer shades.

I'll add some more perspective to this though for you homers...

Ben Wallace, maybe the best defensive player in Pistons history, who represented everything right about Pistons basketball, got sent walking over a 15 mil/yr offer.

Greg Monroe, maybe the worst defensive player in Pistons history, who could be the posterboy for how NOT to play Pistons basketball, is now about to get that same offer, and HE is the one worthy of being the first max player in Pistons history, who must be retained at all costs and can't walk for nothing?

Sorry, but if they can let Ben Wallace walk for nothing over a 15 mil/yr offer, they can most certainly do the same for Greg Monroe of all players.

1. I love Ben but we played 4 on 5 on the offensive end the entire time he played for the Pistons. We just had 4 other great guys for which we could get away doing that.

2. The dumps on Greg Monroe are from your point of view. Is he slow-footed if you throw him on an athletic 4? Yes. Will he ever play above the rim like Andre does? No. Can he play decent post defense? Yes. Can his shortcomings on defense addressed with a good defensive scheme? Yes.

3. 15 Million per year in 2007 is *slightly* more painful than it is now as we have about 5 million more in cap space available. And ask Chicago how well signing Big Ben worked for them. He was past his prime at that point and the Pistons knew it. Monroe is 24 and just now entering his prime.

Why even waste keystrokes with logic on this guy?

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[paQo the BAWSER]

Why even waste keystrokes with logic on this guy?

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Damn, you're one of the worst posters here, you never post nothing positive, only hating other posters with your mobile