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Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd (as coach pg 43)?

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Do you want the Bucks to hire Jason Kidd as POBO?

Yes, I want them to hire Jason Kidd to run the organization
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No, I do not want them to hire Jason Kidd to run the organization
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#781 » by El Duderino » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:54 pm

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clutchiness wrote:the worst-case scenario is that kidd damages the bucks' brand even more, making milwaukee a target for agents and other teams looking to exploit a franchise that makes terrible, irrational decisions.

the on and off-court failures, and jabari parker proving to not be an all-star caliber player but jsut a solid pro, would then precede a move to seattle where they can reset all over again.

that's the worst-case scenario.


and John Hammond is what?


Your constant bringing up of Hammond is a strawman.

Almost nobody wants to see Hammond remain as GM.

What they do want instead is Hammond replaced by someone with actual experience scouting young college and overseas basketball players. With experience working in an NBA front office of a well run team vs a name who has zero experience doing these things. That's it.

Nobody impacts the fortunes of any professional sports franchise like the guy who assembles the rosters. The fact you support handing those keys over to a guy who has never scouted young players or worked for years in an actual NBA front office is insanity to most here. More times than not in professional sports history when teams have hired big name former players with little to no front office experience, it ends up badly.

Hell, you post on the Packers board. Just look at Packers history of hiring prominent athletes or inexperienced coaches to to run football operations vs when they hired long time scouts to become GM.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#782 » by WiscoKing13 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:55 pm

glenn wrote:Hypothetical GM to owner: "Hey, you know that trade proposal that could be in the best interest of our franchise? I said no because I don't respect Jason Kidd as a person."

Hypothetical owner to GM: "You're fired."

I'm sure the phone conversations are that simple and having good relationship with other GM's don't matter at all. Really?
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#783 » by glenn » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:57 pm

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glenn wrote:Hypothetical GM to owner: "Hey, you know that trade proposal that could be in the best interest of our franchise? I said no because I don't respect Jason Kidd as a person."

Hypothetical owner to GM: "You're fired."

I'm sure the phone conversations are that simple and having good relationship with other GM's don't matter at all. Really?

Of course it isn't that simple, but that goes both ways. Do you honestly think that GMs only do deals with other GMs they have good relationships with? That is outlandish. Either way, no one is even saying that Kidd would be GM.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#784 » by JayMKE » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:58 pm

This definitely won't hurt us with free agents, Jason Kidd is a HOFer and a revered figure amongst players. Kidd has instant credibility with players while John Hammond's big woo is taking you to Cracker Barrel, his treat.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#785 » by ampd » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:59 pm

JayMKE wrote:then Jason Kidd announces he's coming out of retirement as player/coach/POBO


Were I not a Bucks fan I would be totally in favor of this happening.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#786 » by WiscoKing13 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 8:59 pm

JayMKE wrote:This definitely won't hurt us with free agents, Jason Kidd is a HOFer and a revered figure amongst players. Kidd has instant credibility with players while John Hammond's big woo is taking you to Cracker Barrel, his treat.

Than I think we should bring in Kareem.
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Post#787 » by wichmae » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:00 pm

glenn wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:
glenn wrote:Hypothetical GM to owner: "Hey, you know that trade proposal that could be in the best interest of our franchise? I said no because I don't respect Jason Kidd as a person."

Hypothetical owner to GM: "You're fired."

I'm sure the phone conversations are that simple and having good relationship with other GM's don't matter at all. Really?

Of course it isn't that simple, but that goes both ways. Do you honestly think that GMs only do deals with other GMs they have good relationships with? That is outlandish. Either way, no one is even saying that Kidd would be GM.

Darryl Morey is noted around the league as a dick. Someone who constantly bullies other colleagues and tries to con people into deals. Yet he still is a coveted GM.
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Post#788 » by bizarro » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:00 pm

ampd wrote:
JayMKE wrote:then Jason Kidd announces he's coming out of retirement as player/coach/POBO


Were I not a Bucks fan I would be totally in favor of this happening.


I totally agree. It would be high entertainment. Sadly, as a Bucks fan I'm still kind of intrigued by the idea :banghead:
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#789 » by JayMKE » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:02 pm

WiscoKing13 wrote:
JayMKE wrote:This definitely won't hurt us with free agents, Jason Kidd is a HOFer and a revered figure amongst players. Kidd has instant credibility with players while John Hammond's big woo is taking you to Cracker Barrel, his treat.

Than I think we should bring in Kareem.


Hey, I actually suggested bringing in Kareem back when Lasry and Edens bought the team. It was not well received... :P
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Post#790 » by White+Purple » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:05 pm

wichmae wrote:Darryl Morey is noted around the league as a dick. Someone who constantly bullies other colleagues and tries to con people into deals. Yet he still is a coveted GM.

Hell, many of the best posters on here are dicks, and many of the genuinely nice guys don't know ****.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#791 » by White+Purple » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:05 pm

Ironic post is ironic, I know :)
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Post#792 » by jokeboy86 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:08 pm

WiscoKing13 wrote:
JayMKE wrote:This definitely won't hurt us with free agents, Jason Kidd is a HOFer and a revered figure amongst players. Kidd has instant credibility with players while John Hammond's big woo is taking you to Cracker Barrel, his treat.

Than I think we should bring in Kareem.


Again that's another topic, but who did Kareem piss off where he can't get any prominent head coaching/assistant or front office jobs in the league? Same with Patrick Ewing. I at least thought the Bucks would(and they still might) give Kareem some type of role in the organization if we're reaching out to former players now. In fact you know the actual best case scenario for the Bucks which would be PR gold is if they waited till after next season and then brought in Ray Allen as coach if he were interested. I know it wouldn't be a logical hire but I guarantee the local casual fans would love it and even the national media might be open to it.
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Post#793 » by Balls2TheWalls » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:09 pm

Would take Kidd as a coach, don't want him anywhere near a POBO or GM position.
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Post#794 » by Aaron It Out » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:10 pm

Could you imagine Kidd negotiating the Redick trade last year over Hammond?

"You **** are sending us Bledsoe OR ELSE NO **** DEAL!!!!"
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Post#795 » by El Duderino » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:11 pm

JayMKE wrote:This definitely won't hurt us with free agents, Jason Kidd is a HOFer and a revered figure amongst players. Kidd has instant credibility with players while John Hammond's big woo is taking you to Cracker Barrel, his treat.


The Bucks aren't ever going to become an upper level NBA team through free agency given the city the team is located in.

The only chance is via a very smart well run organization who makes shrewd moves and drafts well. No franchise changing free agents are going to sign with Milwaukee because Kidd is GM/president.

Just look at a team like say the Suns. After getting rid of Kerr who had zero front office experience before being hired as team president/GM,they made a very smart under the radar GM hiring in Ryan McDonough who quickly made one smart move after another acquiring players and assets. That's how the Bucks have a chance to become relevant again, not through overpaying in free agency for the scraps left after the few prominent free agents who actually matter sign with sexier franchises,
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#796 » by clutchiness » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:11 pm

you know this is a great move when we have to start daydreaming about getting lebron, bledsoe, etc.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#797 » by JayMKE » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:22 pm

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JayMKE wrote:This definitely won't hurt us with free agents, Jason Kidd is a HOFer and a revered figure amongst players. Kidd has instant credibility with players while John Hammond's big woo is taking you to Cracker Barrel, his treat.

Than I think we should bring in Kareem.


Again that's another topic, but who did Kareem piss off where he can't get any prominent head coaching/assistant or front office jobs in the league? Same with Patrick Ewing. I at least thought the Bucks would(and they still might) give Kareem some type of role in the organization if we're reaching out to former players now. In fact you know the actual best case scenario for the Bucks which would be PR gold is if they waited till after next season and then brought in Ray Allen as coach if he were interested. I know it wouldn't be a logical hire but I guarantee the local casual fans would love it and even the national media might be open to it.


I think there a few factors, two being I think there is a prejudice against big men as coaches and against high profile HOF players. If you're not going to hire the guy run everything, then having that guy might feel undermining to management maybe? I think there is this thought which may or may not have some truth in it that these guys being such icons in the sport probably don't want to put in the work. Ewing certainly has tho, you have to imagine someone will give him a shot eventually. With Kareem personally, while he is unquestionably intelligent has reputation of being aloof to say the least.

This is a player's league straight up, you don't some basketball version of Rain Man to be successful like you do in baseball or football. One guy makes the difference. More and more, the relationships between players seem to be becoming more important than even money for these guys. Milwaukee is limited by its geography, there is nothing we can do to change but you can change the perception of the team with players by having guys like Kareem or Kidd who have instant credibility with these guys building relationships with them. Obviously, winning in the end is all that matters but having a credible figurehead might get your foot in the door.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#798 » by Zeezprah » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:24 pm

wichmae wrote:
glenn wrote:
WiscoKing13 wrote:I'm sure the phone conversations are that simple and having good relationship with other GM's don't matter at all. Really?

Of course it isn't that simple, but that goes both ways. Do you honestly think that GMs only do deals with other GMs they have good relationships with? That is outlandish. Either way, no one is even saying that Kidd would be GM.

Darryl Morey is noted around the league as a dick. Someone who constantly bullies other colleagues and tries to con people into deals. Yet he still is a coveted GM.


pretty much. there are countless toolbags in nba front offices. kevin pritchard was doing an awesome job in portland until he suddenly got fired. why? paul allen thought he was a complete power hungry douche. now he's got a job again as the pacers GM.

the main thing is, can kidd do the job? and we have no freaking idea because he's never done it before.

there's definite cause for concern, but i'm not worried even the slightest that GMs "won't deal with us" and "people are laughing at us". f them. they can mind their own business. bucks against the world.

so seeing as it's basically a done deal, all we can hope is that he does a good job in his new role for us. nothing else you can do.
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Re: Should the Bucks hire Jason Kidd as POBO? (with Poll) 

Post#799 » by raferfenix » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:26 pm

Well then.

Lasry's apparent desire to bring Kidd into the Bucks' new fold led to the power play in Brooklyn, with two people with knowledge of the Nets' situation saying that team officials thought Kidd already had the Milwaukee job in hand before asking for the promotion. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the process.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... /11710563/

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Post#800 » by machu46 » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:29 pm

raferfenix wrote:Well then.

Lasry's apparent desire to bring Kidd into the Bucks' new fold led to the power play in Brooklyn, with two people with knowledge of the Nets' situation saying that team officials thought Kidd already had the Milwaukee job in hand before asking for the promotion. The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the private nature of the process.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb ... /11710563/

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If that's actually true, isn't that pretty much the definition of tampering?
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