kidd will get fired (power struggle in Nets front office)

[Rich Rane]

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[Paradise]

Just being rational. New Bucks owners would have to be delusional to give up a 1st round pick when we are rebuilding.

Well, it would be delusional to hire a guy with zero experience as a President. Especially, after watching him backstab the only franchise that truly cared about him. But here we are.

I do think it will end up being 2nd round picks with cash but we deserve a 1st round pick. Sorry but it's true.

1. According to recent reports, Kidd is not being considered for a role as President. He reached out to Milwaukee to express his interest in being the head coach and nothing more.

That could be damage control. Multiple reports said it would be a President/Coach role. He wanted more than money and he already had roster autonomy with the Nets but he wants a real title. He may get hired as a coach but I'm sure there will be a bigger role for him once hired.

2. Really? Why does Brooklyn deserve compensation from Milwaukee when Milwaukee is helping to clean up Brooklyn's mess? Compensation really shouldn't be necessary in this case considering Kidd will be fired or paid to do nothing if Milwaukee doesn't go through with this. Milwaukee could simply buy their time by interviewing other candidates for a position that's currently filled anyways and just wait for Brooklyn to make their move. Brooklyn should be happy to get a 2nd round pick for a guy that they want to fire anyways.

We were building around his system. We just drafted three prospects for him to develop. He has possibly sabotaged our ability to re-sign our free agents that were brought in for him. All signs point to this being a possible tampering issue, so why don't we deserve a pick if the Nets were doing everything up to this point for Kidd before Milwaukee ownership got into the mix?

We also don't have to fire him. He can simply be reassigned or paid to stay at home like Lawerence Frank until the Bucks cough up that pick. I'm sure this situation has burned more bridges of trust and awkwardness in the Bucks FO than our team.

[machu46]

Well, it would be delusional to hire a guy with zero experience as a President. Especially, after watching him backstab the only franchise that truly cared about him. But here we are.

I do think it will end up being 2nd round picks with cash but we deserve a 1st round pick. Sorry but it's true.

2. Really? Why does Brooklyn deserve compensation from Milwaukee when Milwaukee is helping to clean up Brooklyn's mess? Compensation really shouldn't be necessary in this case considering Kidd will be fired or paid to do nothing if Milwaukee doesn't go through with this. Milwaukee could simply buy their time by interviewing other candidates for a position that's currently filled anyways and just wait for Brooklyn to make their move. Brooklyn should be happy to get a 2nd round pick for a guy that they want to fire anyways.

We were building around his system. We just drafted three prospects for him to develop. He has possibly sabotaged our ability to re-sign our free agents that were brought in for him. All signs point to this being a possible tampering issue, so why don't we deserve a pick if the Nets were doing everything up to this point for Kidd before Milwaukee ownership got into the mix? Then, there is the option to file tampering charges.

We also don't have to fire him. He can simply be reassigned or paid to stay at home like Lawerence Frank until the Bucks cough up that pick. I'm sure this situation has burned more bridges of trust and awkwardness in the Bucks FO than ours.

Why should Milwaukee have to give up compensation just because you guys built around a coach and then watched that relationship disintegrate? As far as we currently know, no tampering has occurred, and even if it did, it would most likely result in a fine, not a loss of a first round draft pick.

Regarding your second point, if you wish to pay him to do nothing, that's fine, but Milwaukee currently has a coach and is also capable of interviewing other people for the job. Milwaukee has no reason to give in to Brooklyn's demands as things currently stand. Cash and the 2nd round pick that Brooklyn just traded to Milwaukee is generous enough when Brooklyn has no interest in moving forwards with him anyways.

If they did surrender a first round pick, I would pray they're smart enough to make it like 1-20 protected. If Kidd led Milwaukee to a record good enough that we surrender a pick in the 21-30 range, acquiring him was well worth it, but he isn't remotely close to being worth an unprotected or even lottery protected first round pick when Brooklyn will be getting rid of him or burying him anyways.

[Matches Malone]

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"If the Nets agree then there will be a deal, if they don't then (the Bucks) are comfortable moving on and there will be nothing further to talk about," said the source. "The only thing (the Bucks) would give them is a second-round pick. They want a first. In the next 24 hours, there will either be a deal or there won't be a deal."

[Rich Rane]

As far as we currently know, no tampering has occurred, and even if it did, it would most likely result in a fine, not a loss of a first round draft pick.

The Miami Heat were discovered to have tampered with Pat Riley in 1995 by negotiating with Riley while he was the head coach of the New York Knicks. The Heat "settled," and avoided league-imposed penalties, by compensating the Knicks with $1 million and their first round draft pick in 1996.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q108

Just saying it's not unprecedented that the Bucks could be forced to give up their 1st round pick.

[kamaze]

Next year's second round pick and they pay Kidd's contract good enough for me. Now hire Lionel Hollins thanks RR.

[Rich Rane]

Next year's second round pick and they pay Kidd's contract good enough for me. Now hire Lionel Hollins thanks RR.

I've stated my feelings over and over about second round picks. Nets should absolutely go after the Bucks's 1st round pick as compensation. With Prokhorov as owner, it's not as big a deal who pays Kidd (though of course it's always beneficial if the Nets don't).

[Paradise]

We were building around his system. We just drafted three prospects for him to develop. He has possibly sabotaged our ability to re-sign our free agents that were brought in for him. All signs point to this being a possible tampering issue, so why don't we deserve a pick if the Nets were doing everything up to this point for Kidd before Milwaukee ownership got into the mix? Then, there is the option to file tampering charges.

We also don't have to fire him. He can simply be reassigned or paid to stay at home like Lawerence Frank until the Bucks cough up that pick. I'm sure this situation has burned more bridges of trust and awkwardness in the Bucks FO than ours.

Why should Milwaukee have to give up compensation just because you guys built around a coach and then watched that relationship disintegrate? As far as we currently know, no tampering has occurred, and even if it did, it would most likely result in a fine, not a loss of a first round draft pick.

You do realize the Bucks are the reason why the relationship disintegrated, right? Everything was fine up until the meeting on Friday with Milwaukee. He demanded a raise and more power after meeting with the Bucks. He would have still been the coach of this team lf Milwaukee ownership didn't flirt with him.

Thursday, he was at the press conference for the new training facility talking about next season. He's at the draft with Billy King and two days later, he wants to leave for Milwaukee only. How are the Bucks not responsible? I understand and quite aware of where the Bucks situation but a 1st round pick is deserving. The Knicks and Celtics received 1st round picks when they had this situation. That's the market for possible tampering charges and that should be where it is now.

[machu46]

Why should Milwaukee have to give up compensation just because you guys built around a coach and then watched that relationship disintegrate? As far as we currently know, no tampering has occurred, and even if it did, it would most likely result in a fine, not a loss of a first round draft pick.

You do realize the Bucks are the reason why the relationship disintegrated, right? Everything was fine up until the meeting on Friday with Milwaukee. He demanded a raise and more power after meeting with the Bucks.

Thursday, he was at the press conference for the new training facility talking about next season. He's at the draft with Billy King and two days later, he wants to leave for Milwaukee only. How are the Bucks not responsible? I understand and quite aware of where the Bucks situation but a 1st round pick is deserving. The Knicks and Celtics received 1st round picks when they had this situation. That's the market for possible tampering charges and that should be where it is now.

So you're saying this Carl guy just luckily predicted that all this would happen on Thursday even though Kidd hadn't met with Milwaukee yet? As far as we currently know, the relationship disintegrated and then Kidd got permission to speak to Milwaukee.

Obviously there could be more to the story, but from what we currently know, this blow up occurred and THEN Milwaukee got involved.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Nets should demand a first round pick. Otherwise don't let him go there.

[Rich Rane]

Pretty sure that even if Bucks cut ties with Kidd, the Nets can still file tampering if they feel Lasry and Kidd colluded prior to being given permission since Kidd is under contract with the Nets.

[kamaze]

Hold up the Bucks want us to take the 2nd before we get them for tampering.

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[Paradise]

Why should Milwaukee have to give up compensation just because you guys built around a coach and then watched that relationship disintegrate? As far as we currently know, no tampering has occurred, and even if it did, it would most likely result in a fine, not a loss of a first round draft pick.

You do realize the Bucks are the reason why the relationship disintegrated, right? Everything was fine up until the meeting on Friday with Milwaukee. He demanded a raise and more power after meeting with the Bucks.

Thursday, he was at the press conference for the new training facility talking about next season. He's at the draft with Billy King and two days later, he wants to leave for Milwaukee only. How are the Bucks not responsible? I understand and quite aware of where the Bucks situation but a 1st round pick is deserving. The Knicks and Celtics received 1st round picks when they had this situation. That's the market for possible tampering charges and that should be where it is now.

So you're saying this Carl guy just luckily predicted that all this would happen on Thursday even though Kidd hadn't met with Milwaukee yet? As far as we currently know, the relationship disintegrated and then Kidd got permission to speak to Milwaukee.

Obviously there could be more to the story, but from what we currently know, this blow up occurred and THEN Milwaukee got involved.

What I'm saying is simply, Kidd had already became in contact with the Bucks prior to any Prokhorov/Rasumov blow up. After the blow up occured, Kidd asked to officially speak with Milwaukee.

He didn't just wake up in his Hamptons mansion and say "Honey, Let's go to Milwaukee!". There is a reason he specifically asked to be given permission to interview with that specific team.

[KeithD]

It's obvious to me how this went down and how the Bucks tampered.

Kidd was unhappy with his role. He talks to Bucks co-owner Marc Lasry about the situation. The work out guidelines of his role if he left Brooklyn.

With a plan to fall back on, Kidd goes to the Russians and makes ridiculous demands (he has nothing to loose really).

He is denied these demands and suddenly the Bucks come knocking and are now acting as if they have the leverage.

[F3LON]

The Russians are to blame for this. When they over ruled BK on who to hire as coach they set a president that they dont value BKs judgement.

The fact that Kidd would do something like this shouldnt be a surprise. Kidd's rap sheet is well established
- Domestic Violence
- DUI
- Coach killer
- Migraines
- Talking behind the scenes with the Nets while still under contract with NY

He had displayed a level of professionalism that BK wouldnt have taken a chance on. BK has obviously set a priority on trying not to keep irresponsible people around the org. He traded go bads like TWill & Shawne Williams while passing on guys like Chris Anderson because of his baggage. He didnt want Kidd.

In all forms of business you might be willing to put up with some things from top producers that you wouldnt necessarily take from lesser employees. DWill can get away with more then say Alan Anderson. That's life. The thing is that Kidd had ZERO experience. ZILC, ZIP NADA. Why take a risk hiring him with so much at stake?

As the Nets have established time and again; they are more concerned with making the splashy move then making the prudent one. It's why we passed on Ivan Johnson so we could milk all of the press for signing Jason Collins. They hired Kidd to steal the back pages and to market Kidd as the face of the franchise. They put Kidd's face on the Barclay's Center. Not a player but a coach. They retired Kidd's number to kick off his coaching career.

The Russians empowered him every step of the way. Bypass the GM in hiring. The Laurence Frank ordeal. Marketing him as the face of the franchise. Can we really blame him for doing what he did? BKs balls were clipped from the get go and he couldnt even fire Kidd when he was riding a star studded team into the dirt. We see this happen in the NFL with Jerry Jones. The coach is underminded because the players know they can go to Jerry whenever they want. Kidd played the hand that he was dealt and it was a pretty good one. Im surprised that they chose BK over him.

[KeithD]

I realized Kidd was a POS back when TJ would be at every game cheering for his father and then Jason demands to be traded.

I know winning and money are important but how can you just ask to be traded and spend the majority of your time in another part of the country and leave your kids?

[Lamak]

As someone who rode with Kidd throughout his tenure (ups and down), I'm pretty disappointed it has to end this way. Compensation should be a protected 1st rounder, especially since it seems like they were tampering. And if we really are getting Lionel Hollins, that'd be a great hire. I always wondered why he still doesn't have a job.

[MrDollarBills]

Next year's second round pick and they pay Kidd's contract good enough for me. Now hire Lionel Hollins thanks RR.

A worthless second round pick?

Are you kidding? We need a 1st rd pick badly.

[MrDollarBills]

The Russians are to blame for this. When they over ruled BK on who to hire as coach they set a president that they dont value BKs judgement.

The fact that Kidd would do something like this shouldnt be a surprise. Kidd's rap sheet is well established
- Domestic Violence
- DUI
- Coach killer
- Migraines
- Talking behind the scenes with the Nets while still under contract with NY

He had displayed a level of professionalism that BK wouldnt have taken a chance on. BK has obviously set a priority on trying not to keep irresponsible people around the org. He traded go bads like TWill & Shawne Williams while passing on guys like Chris Anderson because of his baggage. He didnt want Kidd.

In all forms of business you might be willing to put up with some things from top producers that you wouldnt necessarily take from lesser employees. DWill can get away with more then say Alan Anderson. That's life. The thing is that Kidd had ZERO experience. ZILC, ZIP NADA. Why take a risk hiring him with so much at stake?

As the Nets have established time and again; they are more concerned with making the splashy move then making the prudent one. It's why we passed on Ivan Johnson so we could milk all of the press for signing Jason Collins. They hired Kidd to steal the back pages and to market Kidd as the face of the franchise. They put Kidd's face on the Barclay's Center. Not a player but a coach. They retired Kidd's number to kick off his coaching career.

The Russians empowered him every step of the way. Bypass the GM in hiring. The Laurence Frank ordeal. Marketing him as the face of the franchise. Can we really blame him for doing what he did? BKs balls were clipped from the get go and he couldnt even fire Kidd when he was riding a star studded team into the dirt. We see this happen in the NFL with Jerry Jones. The coach is underminded because the players know they can go to Jerry whenever they want. Kidd played the hand that he was dealt and it was a pretty good one. Im surprised that they chose BK over him.

BK's judgement is questionable at best, I wouldn't be surprised if the vultures begin to circle around his head next.

[Keith Van Horn]

I agree that it is sad it has to end this way. The Nets did everything for Kidd, as a player and coach. They stood by him in his first year, saluted him with his jersey being retired, stood by him with that whole stupid "cup-gate" incident, stood by him after starting the year 10-21... and he goes and pulls this kind of ****.

Good riddance man. Have fun anywhere else but here.

I just want my team to get some stability and establish their identity. We were starting to get there... it's unfortunate we just didn't realize we had a power-hungry traitor among us.