Lowry Thread (Woj: Mulling HOU/TOR offers; LAL/MIA want in)

Post #321 » by **Double Helix** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:50 pm

Wham! wrote:For a 3 year deal, I was thinking 3/35....3/36 is acceptable. 4/48 is too much though, for 4 I'd offer in the 4/40 range, max.

Are you posting this from Pacific Mall after haggling for some bootleg DVDs? 4 years and 40 million? Who do you think we are? The South Beach NBA Finalists?

4 years and 52 million is likely. Anything less and we should all be thrilled. He'd be the best in-prime free agent signing in our history and could go down as most people's second favorite Raptor of all time to VC. Keep Wham away from the negotiations! :laugh:

anj · Post #322 » by **anj** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:50 pm

Raps Militia wrote:
Double Helix wrote:Toronto isn't a fun place to be in the winter months.
We haven't won much.
We are in a different country and some of the states offer favorable tax breaks and a better lifestyle for Kyle's family.

We aren't the best destination. I don't think our offer will be the best offer fans would ideally want. Get over it. 4 years. 52 million. That's my guess.

18 millions? C'mon man...
If Ujiri has done such a thing, he deserves to be fired, right now!

Don't worry guys, I already called the math police on this one...

RaptorNews · Post #323 » by **RaptorNews** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:50 pm

®ated wrote:To the people who are whining over "overpayment" You guys do realize that the cap goes up every year right? And that it stands to go up a bunch after two years once the NBA's new tv deals kick in?

Nah man, Lowry should get 9 million tops - no way he deserves as much as Bargnani or Tyreke Evans

Post #324 » by **JYD** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:50 pm

RaptorNews wrote:4/48 is a lot but it's hardly ridiculous. The guy was one of the 20 best players in the entire league last year easily. Thinking we were going to entice him with anything less than 4/42 is laughable

In a vacuum it's not ridiculous. But Lowry has a bad rep around the league to a good number of GMs, this is pretty common knowledge. Which greatly affects what MU can get in return on him if he tried to deal him later (in addition to Lowry not being a player who fits all teams/systems).

This stuff should be factoring into our offer, it's one thing to overpay a bit for a guy wanted by many/fitting many teams, Lowry does not fit either criteria though.

Raps Militia · Post #325 » by **Raps Militia** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:51 pm

bigheadburton wrote:
Raps Militia wrote:
Double Helix wrote:Toronto isn't a fun place to be in the winter months.
We haven't won much.
We are in a different country and some of the states offer favorable tax breaks and a better lifestyle for Kyle's family.

We aren't the best destination. I don't think our offer will be the best offer fans would ideally want. Get over it. 4 years. 52 million. That's my guess.

18 millions? C'mon man...
If Ujiri has done such a thing, he deserves to be fired, right now!

52/4=13

Sorry, I don't know what calculations I did.
I need to sleep. :nonono:

kidr1211 · Post #326 » by **kidr1211** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:51 pm

Headliner wrote:The money total isn't an issue, if it is front loaded,

14.5
13
11.5
10

That's fine, we don't need the cap this year or next

I hope this is the case.

SkywalkerAC · Post #327 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:51 pm

Raps Militia wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/483754514189520896[/tweet]

He most certainly does not. The Heat franchise isn't much more than a bunch of question marks right now. Lebron is not going to be there to help with the bid, and any deal with them is going to be for less money and can't done right away. Lowry seems like someone that wants to lock in to a deal for his family, and to make a firm decision to play for a team that truly believes in him from top to bottom..

joshgc · Post #328 » by **joshgc** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:52 pm

yikes grange is saying we might be paying him 11, 12, or 13 mill....

ender · Post #329 » by **ender** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:53 pm

James_Raptors wrote:I was listening to the fan590 when Grange made his comment. He was basically just giving his opinion, what he feels is likely to happen.Nothing is set in stone yet.

This...Grange said he would be shocked if KL didn't sign with the raptors because he likes it in TO, raptors have the most money and there is not as much interest in the free agent market for point guards. This is according to his contacts around the league.

Funny enough, Greivis Vasquez was on the FAN 590 at around 7pm and didn't sound surprised when they quoted Grange's comments to him. GV repeatedly kept saying that he "has a good feeling" about the situation as if he wanted to confirm it but couldn't (probably just me reading my opinion into his words).

vaff87 · Post #330 » by **vaff87** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:54 pm

Adrian_05 wrote:So its not a done deal?

fml

It CAN'T be a "done deal" until tonight/tomorrow.

GED Education · Post #331 » by **GED Education** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:54 pm

joshgc wrote:yikes grange is saying we might be paying him 11, 12, or 13 mill....

That was the intended range. I'm cool with this.

Raps Militia · Post #332 » by **Raps Militia** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:55 pm

joshgc wrote:yikes grange is saying we might be paying him 11, 12, or 13 mill....

12, it's the most likely scenario, in my opinion.

Scraptor · Post #333 » by **Scraptor** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:55 pm

Wham! wrote:
RaptorNews wrote:4/48 is a lot but it's hardly ridiculous. The guy was one of the 20 best players in the entire league last year easily. Thinking we were going to entice him with anything less than 4/42 is laughable

In a vacuum it's not ridiculous. But Lowry has a bad rep around the league to a good number of GMs, this is pretty common knowledge. Which greatly affects what MU can get in return on him if he tried to deal him later (in addition to Lowry not being a player who fits all teams/systems).

This stuff should be factoring into our offer, it's one thing to overpay a bit for a guy wanted by many/fitting many teams, Lowry does not fit either criteria though.

The problem is, Lowry is one of the top "attainable" free agents this year. And his attitude this year showed a total professional maturity. So I have no doubt there would be many bidders for his services. Once the handful of max guys stay put (Big 3) or jump ship (Melo) there isn't much left to choose from.

The downside of losing him is immense, and it's worth the $2-3mm overpay to keep him from being tempted elsewhere.

DJ_RnC · Post #334 » by **DJ_RnC** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:55 pm

People are saying anything over $9 million is too much? Holy **** you guys are crazy, Derozan makes more, sure he's the All-Start on this team but Lowry is without a doubt the best player and the leader of this team. 10-12 million is acceptable, anything higher is well above what he's worth.

The argument that will be made against me is that $9 million is how much his play is worth, well sadly this is Toronto where you have to overpay your own free agents to stay, we try paying Kyle for his value and another team in the States can offer him just that and he will gladly bolt.

Simply put: Money talks.

ot raps · Post #335 » by **ot raps** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:55 pm

RaptorNews wrote:
®ated wrote:To the people who are whining over "overpayment" You guys do realize that the cap goes up every year right? And that it stands to go up a bunch after two years once the NBA's new tv deals kick in?

Nah man, Lowry should get 9 million tops - no way he deserves as much as Bargnani or Tyreke Evans

Or Jose calderon

agentzero2010 · Post #336 » by **agentzero2010** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:56 pm

Lol at the fans who were panicking about losing Lowry and now they are panicking about overpaying Lowry. 4 years 48 million with the 4th year being player option is a very reasonable deal for a "corner stone" and leader of this young team.

retain:
Lowry- 12 million
Vasquez- 5 million
Patterson- 5 million
Hansbrough- 3.3 million

add:
Williams- 5 million
Carter- mid level- 4 million
Bebe- 1.5 million
Bruno- 1.3 million

The Luxury tax is set at approximately 73-74 million dollars which means the raptors should be just short of that mark.

kidr1211 · Post #337 » by **kidr1211** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:56 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/483760598983790592[/tweet]

F U GRANGE

dagger · Post #338 » by **dagger** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:57 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/483760749135675393[/tweet]

Post #339 » by **JYD** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:57 pm

Double Helix wrote:
Wham! wrote:For a 3 year deal, I was thinking 3/35....3/36 is acceptable. 4/48 is too much though, for 4 I'd offer in the 4/40 range, max.

Are you posting this from Pacific Mall after haggling for some bootleg DVDs? 4 years and 40 million? Who do you think we are? The South Beach NBA Finalists?

4 years and 52 million is likely. Anything less and we should all be thrilled. He'd be the best in-prime free agent signing in our history and could go down as most people's second favorite Raptor of all time to VC. Keep Wham away from the negotiations!

Honestly this seems really low-bar to me, the kind of standards we're used to in the past...bidding against ourselves for a guy who's worth more to us for PR value than he is an actual commodity in the league.

BangerBrotha · Post #340 » by **BangerBrotha** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:57 pm

Lots of cheapskates in this thread. You got a top 10 player in wins shared last year and you are paying him 9 or 10 million. If it weren't for his past history, his market value is at least 13 million dollars a season. If he keeps 90% of his production, 12 million bucks is a slight underpayment.

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