CBA Doesn't Allow Prearranged Restructured Contracts

[20MexicanosIn1Van]

circumstantial evidence is just that, circumstantial evidence

there's still no actual evidence

NBA system and court system are not the same.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

How many times are we going to have this discussion on the GB? Just lock it already. Everyone knows that pre-arranged contracts are against the CBA, but the reality is that it happens all the time anyway and nobody cares

Yeah, it's getting a little ridiculous (sp?) with so many discussions about the same topic. We're truly in the off-season hehe.

ehhhh.

Truly offseason is the creativity August will bring, lol.

When we start watching summer league games.

At least right now we still have free agency.

[INKtastic]

Exactly. If the league disallows the signings and the union challenges it, all the league has to do is tell the arbitrator "But it's Woj!".

what arbitrator? The commissioner is the arbitrator. From an article on the Sterling ruling

The commissioner’s decision is treated as a “final arbitration decision” under the league constitution

[INKtastic]

How many times are we going to have this discussion on the GB? Just lock it already. Everyone knows that pre-arranged contracts are against the CBA, but the reality is that it happens all the time anyway and nobody cares

it's never happened like this before. And this is a discussion of a RealGM authored wiretap.

[Pan Jia Yuan]

How many times are we going to have this discussion on the GB? Just lock it already. Everyone knows that pre-arranged contracts are against the CBA, but the reality is that it happens all the time anyway and nobody cares

As blatant and exposed as in this case? Rarely.
With this kind of media exposure it's a new level of in your face corruption.

[Vides990]

Lol get over it Cleveland, its pretty sad your still fawning over the girl that left you at the altar.

[Shuttlesworth34]

How many times are we going to have this discussion on the GB? Just lock it already. Everyone knows that pre-arranged contracts are against the CBA, but the reality is that it happens all the time anyway and nobody cares

As blatant and exposed as in this case? Rarely.
With this kind of media exposure it's a new level of in your face corruption.

These particular circumstances? No. But players opting out/having options declined with the expectation of a new deal happens all the time.

How many times are we going to have this discussion on the GB? Just lock it already. Everyone knows that pre-arranged contracts are against the CBA, but the reality is that it happens all the time anyway and nobody cares

As blatant and exposed as in this case? Rarely.
With this kind of media exposure it's a new level of in your face corruption.

Corruption? Lol. This isn't joe smith taking 3 minimum level deals with a signed agreement for a Max deal at the end. Your heat hate is showing buddy

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

Lol get over it Cleveland, its pretty sad your still fawning over the girl that left you at the altar.

We're quite happy with our team.

This has nothing to do with Cleveland.

[Vides990]

Lol get over it Cleveland, its pretty sad your still fawning over the girl that left you at the altar.

We're quite happy with our team.

This has nothing to do with Cleveland.

Lol please, you've been posting Lebron topics for what seems like months now on whether he will go back to Cle, stay in Mia or whatever and the agenda changes everytime depending on what you think he's going to do, its sad.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

Lol get over it Cleveland, its pretty sad your still fawning over the girl that left you at the altar.

We're quite happy with our team.

This has nothing to do with Cleveland.

Lol please, you've been posting Lebron topics for what seems like months now on whether he will go back to Cle, stay in Mia or whatever and the agenda changes everytime depending on what you think he's going to do, its sad.

I'm a NBA fan, that's the #1 topic right now, naturally I'll partake in the conversation.

The title isn't my working nor is the original post, it's pasted from realgm wiretap from this morning (no longer showing in recent but the link still works in the first post)

[Shuttlesworth34]

We're quite happy with our team.

This has nothing to do with Cleveland.

Lol please, you've been posting Lebron topics for what seems like months now on whether he will go back to Cle, stay in Mia or whatever and the agenda changes everytime depending on what you think he's going to do, its sad.

I'm a NBA fan, that's the #1 topic right now, naturally I'll partake in the conversation.

The title isn't my working nor is the original post, it's pasted from realgm wiretap from this morning (no longer showing in recent but the link still works in the first post)

The only people claiming collusion and CBA violations are bitter Cleveland fans and heat haters on the GB. There hasn't been one valid media source breathe a single word about possible violations by the heat, yet there have been 5+ threads on it over the past 72 hours and it's the same few posters crying foul each time.

[KI-DW-TT-AB]

Lol please, you've been posting Lebron topics for what seems like months now on whether he will go back to Cle, stay in Mia or whatever and the agenda changes everytime depending on what you think he's going to do, its sad.

I'm a NBA fan, that's the #1 topic right now, naturally I'll partake in the conversation.

The title isn't my working nor is the original post, it's pasted from realgm wiretap from this morning (no longer showing in recent but the link still works in the first post)

The only people claiming collusion and CBA violations are bitter Cleveland fans and heat haters on the GB. There hasn't been one valid media source breathe a single word about possible violations by the heat, yet there have been 5+ threads on it over the past 72 hours and it's the same few posters crying foul each time.

Aight man my bad, I'm sorry, I understand your frustration.

You're right I have been instigating a bit, same way as others do with Cleveland & numerous angles to send shots.

It's nature of the subject, sports are competitive, sport fans are competitive, it's always going to happen.

But to be honest with you, I really don't mind your franchise nor what you're doing right now, I'm quite happy & content with our own team & I see us having similar success in the future as you've seen last couple years, there's nothing to be bitter about, we were well compensated for LeBron.

[Heat3]

no prearranged contracts between a player and a team. it is clearly stated in the OP. says nothing about players deciding amongst themselves how much they are willing to split amongst themselves. the team doesn't have to honor it.

[mup]

circumstantial evidence is just that, circumstantial evidence

there's still no actual evidence

I don't care terribly much about this issue since everybody cheats (seriously, everybody cheats) but you should realize that circumstantial evidence is, in fact, "actual" evidence. The fact that Haslem and wade opted out of contracts more lucrative than what they could command in the open market is pretty good evidence of an improper agreement and is pretty damning. Evidence of actions taken against the actor's interest is about the best evidence you can have. If you think that "evidence" means somebody has to admit it, or there has to be a secret videotape, or whatever, then you are badly mistaken.

But, if I ever get in trouble, trust me, I want you on my jury. As long as nobody saw me do it, I guess I'm walking.


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[INKtastic]

The only people claiming collusion and CBA violations are bitter Cleveland fans and heat haters on the GB. There hasn't been one valid media source breathe a single word about possible violations by the heat, yet there have been 5+ threads on it over the past 72 hours and it's the same few posters crying foul each time.

No, reporters are saying things were prearranged. Heat fans are praising Riley for it. When the issue of violating the CBA comes up, the response some combination "everyone does it" or "you can't prove it".

The heat were fined for violating the CBA when they hired Riley,.

Riley has been penalized for circumventing the salary cap in the past

4 years ago the heat gave away 6 draft picks (4 first rounders including a lottery pick) to make tampering charges go away.

They are clearly at it again.

And I don't believe Christopher Reina, who wrote the article, is a Cavs fan.

[bstein14]

The only way something like this would ever be investigated by the NBA would be if Miami backed out of its deal with has haslem or wade and they and their agent got upset about it and let it be known Miami promised to resign them to more money if they opted out. Can't see Miami backing out of their deal if they already worked it out before opting out

[Heat3]

circumstantial evidence is just that, circumstantial evidence

there's still no actual evidence

I don't care terribly much about this issue since everybody cheats (seriously, everybody cheats) but you should realize that circumstantial evidence is, in fact, "actual" evidence. The fact that Haslem and wade opted out of contracts more lucrative than what they could command in the open market is pretty good evidence of an improper agreement and is pretty damning. Evidence of actions taken against the actor's interest is about the best evidence you can have. If you think that "evidence" means somebody has to admit it, or there has to be a secret videotape, or whatever, then you are badly mistaken.

But, if I ever get in trouble, trust me, I want you on my jury. As long as nobody saw me do it, I guess I'm walking.


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what is clear is no one should want YOU on their jury lol. first wade and Haslem haven't even re-signed yet. how do you know their previous contracts are better? second who are you to decide that their interests are only to make the most money? sports fans, nba fans in particular, really like to tell athletes how they should live their lives. wtf is up with that. if you guys always go for the money then great, but not everyone is like that. I know I'm not.

[LJ4pointplay]

LOL Chris Reina using my post for a story I see.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1331375&start=160

All good, I appreciate that it was found worthy enough for the wiretap.

[Vides990]

4 years ago the heat gave away many draft picks to make tampering charges go away.

Ummmm they did sign and trades for Lebron and Bosh but 2nd rd picks don't make tampering charges go away, this is 100% false.

but you should realize that circumstantial evidence is, in fact, "actual" evidence.

Not according to our court systems, if you're talking in regards to the NBA system then my apologies.

[bstein14]

Let's also be 100% honest. Miami probably wouldn't resign haslem for anything more than the vets minimum this year if it wasn't for the fact that they agreed to resign him to a deal for opting out.... if he really just decided to opt out on his own without having his agent discuss it with Riley first... no way the heat give him more than vets minimum this year.