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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1701 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:22 am

Kerrsed wrote:Well Lebron gave Miami a timeline to improve the team before he even considers re-signing there, and they have added.......uh........NOBODY! It seems like most of the major targets that they talked about being interested in have signed elsewhere (Lowery/Gortat).

The good news for them is that some of their other targets are still free agents! Steve Blake, VC, Marion, Marvin Williams, Ariza are all still available somehow!



Honestly, even if you add all five of those players to the Heat roster, I don't think that entices Lebron to stay at all.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1702 » by JDLAW » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:22 am

DarkHawk wrote:
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DarkHawk wrote:Celtics get Dragic but they aren't certain who the Celtics get. Interesting...

To me, this would make no sense. Why take back a PG who can't shoot for another guard who can? It would hurt us IMO. I really hope this isn't true.



It is not true - it makes no sense. Dragic is better than Rondo and less expensive.


Yea I know. I was just mocking their overuse of the Celtics. :)


I know I read that a while back. It was quite good. You have a talent.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1703 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:24 am

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Sunsdeuce wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/wojyahoonba/status/484531648940085250[/tweet]


Well that sets the baseline for Bledsoe, he's better than lowry, but I think we all knew bled would get at least 12 a year.


It really doesn't. Bledsoe has to have a market. Many people thought Lowry was the most deserving all star snub...along with Dragic. I know you probably didn't see Lowry play much, but he was EXTREMELY STRONG this year.

He has started in most of the games he's played in for four years, has been in the league 8 years, and is REALLY good. Bledsoe has started half a season and been a backup for 4 years.

Lowry's #s this year. 17.7 ppg, 7.4 apg, 4.9 rpg, 1.5 spg, shot almost have his shots from 3, knocking down 38% (so that brought is overall % down to 42%). He is currently better offensively than Bledsoe but obviously not as good defensively.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... yky01.html

Bledsoe 17.7, 5.7, 4.7, 35.7% from 3, but better from 2. So actually pretty even. But he is injury prone. Based on half a season, you can give him at least 12, which is ok, but I wouldn't de-finitely say "he is better than Lowry".

He is the only pg left though. I'm just not sure if anyone wants to give a pg that much at this time.

We can't let him go for nothing. Maybe we should offer him 12, but you don't want him to turn that down, and force us to go higher. If he doesn't get an offer, I'd offer him 10 or 11. Maybe 11 and give him 12.

Last year a bunch of guys thought they'd get a lot more and ended up having to settle for a lot less. Monta, Teague, Jennings, etc. He's better than those guys, but those guys got around 8. They got over it.

Lets not give him so much that it forces us to let Dragic go next year because he deserves more. If we don't get LeBron, I'd say Bledsoe is very tradeable at a lower contract level, but he becomes hard to trade at 14, at least for a good return. And to be clear, I am not advocating trading him, but would if it came down as a choice between him and Dragic next year because we were capped out on a team that looked like a ceiling in the west of a 7-8 seed largely because our frontcourt of Kieff and Plumlee just couldn't cut it in the west, then we'd have to move someone.

Some teams will eventually decline and we SHOULD get better, but it's not a certainty. All teams think they will get better except for Philly. They have different goals.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1704 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:25 am

NaturalBuns wrote:Miami has everything they just need a couple scorers
I can see nick young going to Miami that would be a pretty underrated move



I agree that it would be underrated as Nick Young could be a lethal weapon with Wade/Lebron/Bosh, but I think Nick Young would want more play time, I guess Wade isn't the most durable player but I don't think in this stage of his career he wants to be a bench player.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1705 » by King4Day » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:27 am

Woj will be on Foxsports radio in a few min:

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EDIT: It might be another fox sports. Doesn't sound like he's coming on. Too many fox sports...
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Post#1706 » by King4Day » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:28 am

Any word from 'ray ray' tonight?
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Post#1707 » by Revived » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:28 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Something tells me tomorrow will be good... Nash's deal with the lakers came on 4th of July. Hold on everyone.....


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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1708 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:28 am

NaturalBuns wrote:Miami has everything they just need a couple scorers
I can see nick young going to Miami that would be a pretty underrated move

You do realize they only have 2 players under contract right now, right? And one is Norris cole.


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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1709 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:28 am

DarkHawk wrote:Any word from 'ray ray' tonight?


No
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1710 » by Superhuman » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:28 am

Qwigglez wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Well Lebron gave Miami a timeline to improve the team before he even considers re-signing there, and they have added.......uh........NOBODY! It seems like most of the major targets that they talked about being interested in have signed elsewhere (Lowery/Gortat).

The good news for them is that some of their other targets are still free agents! Steve Blake, VC, Marion, Marvin Williams, Ariza are all still available somehow!



Honestly, even if you add all five of those players to the Heat roster, I don't think that entices Lebron to stay at all.

Could Gasol be a possibility for them? He's the only other big name free agent available no? Me thinks if Gasol signs anywhere other than Miami, Lebron is taking his talents elsewhere.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1711 » by Cutter » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:29 am

Things aren't looking good at the moment for Riley and the Heat in terms of building a credible team around LeBron. It has been noted that this time around players (like Kyle Lower, Pau Gasol, Luol Deng) aren't willing to take lower than market salary just to play in Miami. This leaves available only third tier players looking to ring chase. Also, it is being reported that not only did Bosh and Wade NOT agree to take lower salary, Bosh actually stated he wants 5/$90 (do the math :lol: ). Although it's only 2 days into FA, nothing of significance has been reported concerning the Heat rebuild.

Things could turn around for the Heat tomorrow, but for now there is hope in Phoenix for getting the King.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1712 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:29 am

Not that this wasn't a surprise, but does this open up more money for Melo or was this already in consideration before Melo visited Chicago?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBAonSTC/status/484538433873141761[/tweet]
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1713 » by NaturalBuns » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:31 am

Qwigglez wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:Miami has everything they just need a couple scorers
I can see nick young going to Miami that would be a pretty underrated move



I agree that it would be underrated as Nick Young could be a lethal weapon with Wade/Lebron/Bosh, but I think Nick Young would want more play time, I guess Wade isn't the most durable player but I don't think in this stage of his career he wants to be a bench player.



He would have a Manu,harden type role.
The pacers/spurs series Miami went into huge droughts on offense.
Add a few scorers and they can beat anyone.

Ppl think Miami defense is the problem but they just lack scoring..
Can't let teams go on like 20-4 runs..
Nick young seems like a perfect fit
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Post#1714 » by Revived » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:31 am

Am I the only one who think the Raptors got a steal for signing Lowry at just $12M?

Is Lowry only $4M/yr better than freaking Avery Bradley?

Lowry deal allows us to set $12M as the highest we'll go for EB since while Bledsoe is younger, he's also way more injury prone than Lowry.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1715 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:31 am

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Qwigglez wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Well Lebron gave Miami a timeline to improve the team before he even considers re-signing there, and they have added.......uh........NOBODY! It seems like most of the major targets that they talked about being interested in have signed elsewhere (Lowery/Gortat).

The good news for them is that some of their other targets are still free agents! Steve Blake, VC, Marion, Marvin Williams, Ariza are all still available somehow!



Honestly, even if you add all five of those players to the Heat roster, I don't think that entices Lebron to stay at all.

Could Gasol be a possibility for them? He's the only other big name free agent available no? Me thinks if Gasol signs anywhere other than Miami, Lebron is taking his talents elsewhere.


Maybe, I think he might be visiting them, but it sounds like OKC is the frontrunner with SA close behind.
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Post#1716 » by Revived » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:32 am

Qwigglez wrote:Not that this wasn't a surprise, but does this open up more money for Melo or was this already in consideration before Melo visited Chicago?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBAonSTC/status/484538433873141761[/tweet]

Maybe their clearing up for LeBron?
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1717 » by Qwigglez » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:32 am

Superhuman wrote:
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Kerrsed wrote:Well Lebron gave Miami a timeline to improve the team before he even considers re-signing there, and they have added.......uh........NOBODY! It seems like most of the major targets that they talked about being interested in have signed elsewhere (Lowery/Gortat).

The good news for them is that some of their other targets are still free agents! Steve Blake, VC, Marion, Marvin Williams, Ariza are all still available somehow!



Honestly, even if you add all five of those players to the Heat roster, I don't think that entices Lebron to stay at all.

Could Gasol be a possibility for them? He's the only other big name free agent available no? Me thinks if Gasol signs anywhere other than Miami, Lebron is taking his talents elsewhere.


I don't think he is. I heard something along the lines of, if money is scarce then Pau would want to play for the Spurs or Thunder. I think Pau wants to play for a contender but also get his last 8 figure paycheck in.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1718 » by NaturalBuns » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:32 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:Miami has everything they just need a couple scorers
I can see nick young going to Miami that would be a pretty underrated move

You do realize they only have 2 players under contract right now, right? And one is Norris cole.


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The talent can carry them but when you run into the west teams you have to score or you'll get ran over
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Post#1719 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:32 am

SF88 wrote:Am I the only one who think the Raptors got a steal for signing Lowry at just $12M?

Is Lowry only $4M/yr better than freaking Avery Bradley?

Lowry deal allows us to set $12M as the highest we'll go for EB since while Bledsoe is younger, he's also way more injury prone than Lowry.


I agree with this. I basically said about the same in my last post. And there is the fact that Toronto doesn't have another starting pg. We do. Not a whole lot of leverage there for Bledsoe. Not yet at least.
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Re: 2014 Official FA Thread 2 

Post#1720 » by PassWarden » Thu Jul 3, 2014 3:33 am

I can't wait for the next Ray Ray update, tons of moving pieces today. He must have heard something...

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