Future draft classes

[EricAnderson]

ray smith out of vegas who imo is a better player than dorsey as well.

been watching more of Ray Smith and I'm expecting him to make huge strides this year. Like his length and athleticism and the way he gets his own shot.

Cant wait to see how far he and Perry Dozier come along heading into their frosh college years.

as far as SFS go ( i consider simmons more of a tweener leaning towards PF) in the class of '15, i think it goes:
jaylen brown, ray smith and derrick jones. i haven't seen enough of ingram to rank him, but jones' tools are off the charts and his skill level is gradually improving.

another note on ray smith. i read that he released his top 9 schools and UNLV wasn't on it. i'm not sure if it is supposed to be a given that UNLV is in the mix because i'm sure he's made multiple visits to the campus, but i did not see him name UNLV. i'm thinking 'zona is the favorite.

Do u like vj king or dedric Lawson?

And I know he's not a sf but have u seen tj leaf? Is he another Kyle wiltjer?

[Marcus]

Do u like vj king or dedric Lawson?

im not big on either one of them. but i like Lawson more than King he looks quicker and appears to have the better vision and ball handling. I could just be down on King though and some bias could be at play.

[ManualRam]

been watching more of Ray Smith and I'm expecting him to make huge strides this year. Like his length and athleticism and the way he gets his own shot.

Cant wait to see how far he and Perry Dozier come along heading into their frosh college years.

as far as SFS go ( i consider simmons more of a tweener leaning towards PF) in the class of '15, i think it goes:
jaylen brown, ray smith and derrick jones. i haven't seen enough of ingram to rank him, but jones' tools are off the charts and his skill level is gradually improving.

another note on ray smith. i read that he released his top 9 schools and UNLV wasn't on it. i'm not sure if it is supposed to be a given that UNLV is in the mix because i'm sure he's made multiple visits to the campus, but i did not see him name UNLV. i'm thinking 'zona is the favorite.

Do u like vj king or dedric Lawson?

And I know he's not a sf but have u seen tj leaf? Is he another Kyle wiltjer?

not as much as other wings. vj king has an all around game and can create his shot a little but i don't see the handle of someone like a tyus battle, who has a similar game but with better ball skills. great length, but is just an average athlete with a slim build too. i'd probably have him further down my list than what i've seen from the recruiting services.

the lawson brothers are a tough eval. they're obviously very talented and well-rounded, but every setting i've seen them in was very "lawson-centric." they try to do anything and everything so their games turn out to be 2 man shows a la the harrison twins. he's yet another average athlete with super long limbs. dedric looks like the more talented of the older brothers. i think he has better ball skill, especially the handle. i'd like to see action with him not playing with his older brother OR coached by his dad to get a better read on him, but that probably won't happen in the near future. he and his brother (maybe younger brother too eventually), along with his dad are a reported package deal.

i've only seen a little of tj leaf, but i think he has more potential than wiltjer because he has better mobility. he has a slight chance of becoming a SF, whereas wiltjer had none. leaf's athleticism is deceptive. not as good of a shooter as wiltjer, but he's a good one. can also put it on the deck and be a factor in transition unlike kyle.

[miltk]

i follow recruiting rumors somewhat too. idk if dorsey is a problem player, but i do know that his teams in HS have underachieved despite being supremely talented (even his AAU team is a talented barely above .500 team). the main issue with dorsey though is that he wants to transition to the full-time point and has been doing so for the past yr or so. he wants the ball in his hands so if your school already has a PG in the fold that he deems as a real threat as justin simon was at 'zona, then that reduces the likelihood that he'll want to go there. i also heard that he's thinking 1 and done, so he wants a ton of minutes at the 1 ASAP.
last i heard, kansas is coming after him hard, but he'll likely run into an issue there too since frank mason is likely a 4 yr guy there and 5 yr prep devonte graham who could be the starter this yr. that being said, they seem like lesser obstacles than what he'd encounter at other schools.

i personally think he's overrated for his class and not that great of an NBA prospect, especially as a PG. good shooter, with a nice pull up game but i'm unsure if i'd want him on the ball because he has a tendency to hunt his own offense. i think the bruins are fine with holiday and ball in a couple of yrs should dorsey pass on them.

we also have isaac hamilton who sat out last year, but was said, by onlookers, to be the third best player on last year's team. he has also stated he thinks his future is as a pg and that he wants to be 1done. i read somewhere long ago that a writer profiled the personalities of the hamilton boys, and while it wasn't a red flag or anything, there was something about them that he was a bit negative about.

what do you think of hamilton and might you be able to shed some light on what the writer was talking about.

thx

[ManualRam]

i follow recruiting rumors somewhat too. idk if dorsey is a problem player, but i do know that his teams in HS have underachieved despite being supremely talented (even his AAU team is a talented barely above .500 team). the main issue with dorsey though is that he wants to transition to the full-time point and has been doing so for the past yr or so. he wants the ball in his hands so if your school already has a PG in the fold that he deems as a real threat as justin simon was at 'zona, then that reduces the likelihood that he'll want to go there. i also heard that he's thinking 1 and done, so he wants a ton of minutes at the 1 ASAP.
last i heard, kansas is coming after him hard, but he'll likely run into an issue there too since frank mason is likely a 4 yr guy there and 5 yr prep devonte graham who could be the starter this yr. that being said, they seem like lesser obstacles than what he'd encounter at other schools.

i personally think he's overrated for his class and not that great of an NBA prospect, especially as a PG. good shooter, with a nice pull up game but i'm unsure if i'd want him on the ball because he has a tendency to hunt his own offense. i think the bruins are fine with holiday and ball in a couple of yrs should dorsey pass on them.

we also have isaac hamilton who sat out last year, but was said, by onlookers, to be the third best player on last year's team. he has also stated he thinks his future is as a pg and that he wants to be 1done. i read somewhere long ago that a writer profiled the personalities of the hamilton boys, and while it wasn't a red flag or anything, there was something about them that he was a bit negative about.

what do you think of hamilton and might you be able to shed some light on what the writer was talking about.

thx

the hamilton bros have a rep of being selfish chuckers. isaac's probably the least "chucky" of the bunch, but he does have some of those same tendencies. i don't know anything too specific about his character but i know he had an incident at bosco's where he was called out by his coach and isaac responded by getting himself suspended.

[splendidham]

ray smith out of vegas who imo is a better player than dorsey as well.

been watching more of Ray Smith and I'm expecting him to make huge strides this year. Like his length and athleticism and the way he gets his own shot.

Cant wait to see how far he and Perry Dozier come along heading into their frosh college years.

as far as SFS go ( i consider simmons more of a tweener leaning towards PF) in the class of '15, i think it goes:
jaylen brown, ray smith and derrick jones. i haven't seen enough of ingram to rank him, but jones' tools are off the charts and his skill level is gradually improving.

another note on ray smith. i read that he released his top 9 schools and UNLV wasn't on it. i'm not sure if it is supposed to be a given that UNLV is in the mix because i'm sure he's made multiple visits to the campus, but i did not see him name UNLV. i'm thinking 'zona is the favorite.

Aussie homer here
Ben Simmons is up to 6-foot-10 according to a few articles and himself. That still considered tweener?


http://www.rantsports.com/prep-sports/2 ... 6-foot-10/

[ManualRam]

yeah, i dunno about that 6'10 number. i've seen him recently and he doesn't look 6'10. i think the recent nbpa measurements link is somewhere in this thread. i don't remember seeing him being listed at 6'10.
he's a tweener in how he plays. his game is finesse and he's not the physical presence or the type of rebounder or protector that you would expect from a big.

[Marcus]

yeah, i dunno about that 6'10 number. i've seen him recently and he doesn't look 6'10. i think the recent nbpa measurements link is somewhere in this thread. i don't remember seeing him being listed at 6'10.
he's a tweener in how he plays. his game is finesse and he's not the physical presence or the type of rebounder or protector that you would expect from a big.

Do u see Ben's style of play being more of a negative than a positive going forward if he ends up gaining that legit PF size?

[ManualRam]

yeah, i dunno about that 6'10 number. i've seen him recently and he doesn't look 6'10. i think the recent nbpa measurements link is somewhere in this thread. i don't remember seeing him being listed at 6'10.
he's a tweener in how he plays. his game is finesse and he's not the physical presence or the type of rebounder or protector that you would expect from a big.

Do u see Ben's style of play being more of a negative than a positive going forward if he ends up gaining that legit PF size?

well his game does have versatility. he can face up opposing bigs and play in space, but if he's a PF he's gonna have to get tougher to do the things that are expected of bigs, like rebound well, protect the paint and defend the post.
he plays a very clean, efficient, smart game. a lot of his points come from simple cuts, just sliding into openings to create a passing angle or anticipating and slithering around rebounders for tip ins, but i don't see a whole lot of physicality or grit in his game. he can get away with that at the HS level because his instincts are so good that he's a step ahead, but at the next level players have to do more scoring through and over defenders and he won't be able to just out-anticipate bigger, stronger, more athletic bigs.

[Marcus]

http://zagsblog.com/articles/6-10-danie ... hio-state/

Daniel Giddens is a Buckeye.

With deangelo Russell more than likely staying a couple years at least and giddens and mickey Mitchell heading there the bucks will be fun to watch.

[splendidham]

yeah, i dunno about that 6'10 number. i've seen him recently and he doesn't look 6'10. i think the recent nbpa measurements link is somewhere in this thread. i don't remember seeing him being listed at 6'10.
he's a tweener in how he plays. his game is finesse and he's not the physical presence or the type of rebounder or protector that you would expect from a big.

Fair enough. I'm just going by what Ben stated. Also, his father is 6-foot-8.
In this article from a few years back try are the same height.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/this-so ... 6205378198

This more recent one though it's pretty clear Ben has grown a lot unless the camera angle is bad.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ba ... df922750c8

Also up to 230lbs according to him. I hope like you say, he learns to be more physical because I would love to see him succeed.

[Marcus]

yeah, i dunno about that 6'10 number. i've seen him recently and he doesn't look 6'10. i think the recent nbpa measurements link is somewhere in this thread. i don't remember seeing him being listed at 6'10.
he's a tweener in how he plays. his game is finesse and he's not the physical presence or the type of rebounder or protector that you would expect from a big.

Fair enough. I'm just going by what Ben stated. Also, his father is 6-foot-8.
In this article from a few years back try are the same height.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/this-so ... 6205378198

This more recent one though it's pretty clear Ben has grown a lot unless the camera angle is bad.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ba ... df922750c8

Also up to 230lbs according to him. I hope like you say, he learns to be more physical because I would love to see him succeed.

if pops is 6'8" then Ben is clearly taller than that according to that 2nd pic. the 230 looks right though he looked bigger at 100 camp than he did at school during the championship

[ManualRam]

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[Marcus]

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if he does, does that shoot him to the top of the rankings in that class?

[ManualRam]

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if he does, does that shoot him to the top of the rankings in that class?

he'd be #1 for me.

[No-Man]

I miss international prospects here, Bender, Mykhailiuk, Mazalin, Papagiannis (he is been talked here) could easily end up as top10 picks.

Hezonja, Porzingis will likely be lotto picks next year, Ili Diop is solid but he is so thin that I'm not sold yet, average athlete also, Karnowski will declare also I believe, Marc Garcia looks good also, pretty good athlete with size, good motor, plays hard.

Milutinov, Diagne, Sipahi, Zhou Qi...

[Marcus]

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if he does, does that shoot him to the top of the rankings in that class?

he'd be #1 for me.

i don't recall seeing him at the top 100 camp or having any involvement with the USA U18 team. Is it one of those things where a kid just doens't get picked for it or one where the kid just decides to sit it out like Thornton did with AAU ball this time around?

Is there a qualification criteria for making it to one of those camps besides just being a good bball player at this level?

[ManualRam]

if he does, does that shoot him to the top of the rankings in that class?

he'd be #1 for me.

i don't recall seeing him at the top 100 camp or having any involvement with the USA U18 team. Is it one of those things where a kid just doens't get picked for it or one where the kid just decides to sit it out like Thornton did with AAU ball this time around?

Is there a qualification criteria for making it to one of those camps besides just being a good bball player at this level?

he didn't attend nbpa camp. not all players do. he was on the u16 last yr. if he was to be on a team usa team this yr it'd be the u17s who's competition begins in august.

i don't think there are any qualifications other than an invite.

[Marcus]

he'd be #1 for me.

i don't recall seeing him at the top 100 camp or having any involvement with the USA U18 team. Is it one of those things where a kid just doens't get picked for it or one where the kid just decides to sit it out like Thornton did with AAU ball this time around?

Is there a qualification criteria for making it to one of those camps besides just being a good bball player at this level?

he didn't attend nbpa camp. not all players do. he was on the u16 last yr. if he was to be on a team usa team this yr it'd be the u17s who's competition begins in august.

i don't think there are any qualifications other than an invite.

thank you for your time sir.

More i see Josh on film the more I love this kid. Not just because of the skillset and basketball acumen, but you can see the dog in this kid. Talking smack, going for the throat, looking to lockdown on defense, attacking in halfcourt and the open floor. Just so much to love about this kid.

[EricAnderson]

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if he does, does that shoot him to the top of the rankings in that class?

he'd be #1 for me.

Ranking sites usually penalize guys for moving up..towns and vonleh went from top 3 in their class to double digit rankings I think