Melo #14- Can Melo Come Out and Play?

ah7007645 · Post #1561 » by **ah7007645** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:00 pm

If he knew from the beginning that he was going back to NY then there's no reason to waste our whole day kissing his ass.

NecessaryEvil · Post #1562 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:01 pm

otwok wrote:If Melo stays in NY, that's fine, nothing wrong with that if he gets his money. If he takes a paycut, stays in Ny then he's an idiot. He'll be sacrificing money and two years of the ends of his career for the Knicks who may not be able to get him help. He'll be taking a paycut to join a rebuilding team when he can take a paycut to join a contending team whether it be Chicago, Dallas or Houston. If that is the case he has the wrong people giving him advice.

We'll see.

So leaving more money and his family to come play in Chicago with a player that hasn't been healthy for over two years...is taking good advice?

People need to stop hating on this man for his decision. It's a life decision, an easy 5 year commitment.

He'll make the right decision for him, he already has.

Post #1563 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:01 pm

dmk08 wrote:Seems pretty logical to me. The Bulls want Melo and depending on how generous hes willing to be they can make it work.

Well I think the options of how generous he needs to be should be laid out, and well before he has to weigh the pitch vs everyone else.

Especially due to the perception of our orgs frugal nature, you can't just tell a guy, "We'll work it out." I mean I think that was Krause's line when putting Eddy and Tyson together...

For all Melo knows if he 'verbally commits' to that, GarPax just rub their hands together and pull out the contract for 15m right there on the spot.

umfan83 · Post #1564 » by **umfan83** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:01 pm

Payt10 wrote:I'll just say that if Carmelo chooses the Knicks, he can no longer say he isn't about the money and all about winning, because that simply would not be true anymore.

Disagree somewhat. He can easily say Phil sold him on his plan and he believes the Knicks give him the best chance to win over the life of the contract.

You guys are making way too big of a deal about that quote, which was essentially made to posture the Knicks into taking him seriously about leaving.

BahamaBull · Post #1565 » by **BahamaBull** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:02 pm

BR0D1E86 wrote:
pylb wrote:
DRoseCantStop wrote:Melo.......remember......if you re-sign with the Knicks.......you'll be coached by Derek Fisher.

Knicks fans think that's a big positive.

Knicks fans recently thought a team with Raymond Felton and Pablo Prigioni as its point guards was going to challenge for the eastern conference.

And they were so excited when they get Eddy McCurry from us :lol:

Knicks, no matter what, will always be a joke!

Shill · Post #1566 » by **Shill** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:02 pm

Rerisen wrote:
siriusjames wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/484770753275899904[/tweet]

And Melo is just supposed to buy this? Maybe we should have went into more detail. Or I guess, waiting for the next meeting for that.

It's a chicken/egg scenario. If Melo wants his money outside of New York, he's going to need New York's cooperation. They have no reason to cooperate unless they know Melo isn't coming back, so it's difficult to line up sign-and-trades with them.

pb-ceo · Post #1567 » by **pb-ceo** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:03 pm

Rerisen wrote:What has scarcely been mentioned is that don't Phil and Pax have a good relationship? And Phil and Jerry for that matter.

If Melo is walking one way or the other, I think Phil ends up helping.

This year is a lost cause for NY either way and he may want to do business with the Bulls in the future, at a point where he will want us to not slam the phone down.

This is not worth burning a bridge over once (and if) Melo were to decide he's done in NY anyway.

I really think it comes down to Melo his wife and kid Loving NY.

red222 · Post #1568 » by **red222** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:03 pm

umfan83 wrote:
Payt10 wrote:I'll just say that if Carmelo chooses the Knicks, he can no longer say he isn't about the money and all about winning, because that simply would not be true anymore.

Disagree somewhat. He can easily say Phil sold him on his plan and he believes the Knicks give him the best chance to win over the life of the contract.

You guys are making way too big of a deal about that quote, which was essentially made to posture the Knicks into taking him seriously about leaving.

Post #1569 » by **Rerisen** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:03 pm

WinCity wrote:Apparently he went 9 hours without worrying about it. That seems like a good sign to me dude.

Doesn't mean it made a good impression if we gave him no hints at all how it would all shake out. And I wouldn't blame Melo at all at some point to be thinking....

Droseisthe1 · Post #1570 » by **Droseisthe1** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:05 pm

It's over folks. Let's lock this thread up and on to plan B.

Melo ain't winnin ish. So be it.

Peelboy · Post #1571 » by **Peelboy** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:05 pm

Rerisen wrote:
dmk08 wrote:Seems pretty logical to me. The Bulls want Melo and depending on how generous hes willing to be they can make it work.

Well I think the options of how generous he needs to be should be laid out, and well before he has to weigh the pitch vs everyone else.

Especially due to the perception of our orgs frugal nature, you can't just tell a guy, "We'll work it out." I mean I think that was Krause's line when putting Eddy and Tyson together...

For all Melo knows if he 'verbally commits' to that, GarPax just rub their hands together and pull out the contract for 15m right there on the spot.

I have a hard time believing that in the 9hrs they spent there wasn't any mention of "if you sign for $15, we can keep Taj/McDermott/Butler and lose MDJ/Snell, if you need $18, we have to lose Butler, if you need $20-22, we have to lose Taj and then some combo of the others."

My guess is they didn't talk contract specifics, just that different salary ranges entail different sets of moves that the Bulls would have to make (unless they can get NY to agree to an S&T). But there's no way given the long-term interest between the 2 parties that there wasn't some sense of how much he'd make with the Bulls, and I can't believe they'd be stupid enough to only have one option available for him.

RememberLu · Post #1572 » by **RememberLu** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:05 pm

greenl wrote:
RememberLu wrote:Melo should not be hated in Chicago no matter what happens. Thats ridiculous.

Unless he goes to the Heat then you can hate him

Can I still hate the Knicks?

sure but why, they're irrelevant. It's like hating the Pistons.

Hahn · Post #1573 » by **Hahn** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:05 pm

So any news coming outta L.A ? Did they copy us with the banners too ?

siriusjames · Post #1574 » by **siriusjames** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:05 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/484774956425703424[/tweet]

otwok · Post #1575 » by **otwok** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:05 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
otwok wrote:If Melo stays in NY, that's fine, nothing wrong with that if he gets his money. If he takes a paycut, stays in Ny then he's an idiot. He'll be sacrificing money and two years of the ends of his career for the Knicks who may not be able to get him help. He'll be taking a paycut to join a rebuilding team when he can take a paycut to join a contending team whether it be Chicago, Dallas or Houston. If that is the case he has the wrong people giving him advice.

We'll see.

So leaving more money and his family to come play in Chicago with a player that hasn't been healthy for over two years...is taking good advice?

People need to stop hating on this man for his decision. It's a life decision, an easy 5 year commitment.

He'll make the right decision for him, he already has.

Taking a paycut to lose is not the same as taking a paycut to win. Like I said, if he stays there's nothing wrong with that. But taking a paycut to lose (at least 1 season) is not smart, especially when you are 30 years old.

mostek · Post #1576 » by **mostek** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:06 pm

I do not know what is going on here. From the very beginning, the only thing that changed, is that the Bulls had a very good meeting with Melo.

NY was always going to offer Melo the max

The amount the Bulls could clear was well known.

NY was not going to play, at all, unless Melo was prepared to walk.

NY was never going to take on Boozer's contract.

It would be very expensive, If, make the a big IF, a 3rd team would consider taking on Boozer.

Everybody, including Melo, knew all of this, and Chicago was still high on his list, even before what was said to be a very good meeting.

It was always a long shot, but nothing has changed to make it more of one now.

ChiCitySPORTS#1 · Post #1577 » by **ChiCitySPORTS#1** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:06 pm

What if this whole time he is under the impression the best we can do is 15 million?

Jordan45822 · Post #1578 » by **Jordan45822** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:06 pm

@FisolaNYDN: Knicks hoping to get a verbal commitment from Carmelo tonight in LA. A source "doubts" it will happen this quickly.

davhern · Post #1579 » by **davhern** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:06 pm

It's kind of crazy. All the tea leaves really point to Chicago. The insiders we have here (who have proven to have good info in the past) have had him anywhere from leaning Chicago to a lock. Noah's recruiting. The fact that he spent all that time with Pippen and we haven't really backed off our pursuit (you would think we'd have a pretty good idea of our chances). He's also had interest in coming here in the past. The reported interest in playing for Thibs. Some other random stuff here and there over the past few weeks.

The main thing fueling the prevailing thought that he stays in NY, besides the fact that he seems to love it there, is the belief among just about everybody that he ultimately won't be able to turn down the extra money. That all depends on what his mindset really is. I guess we'll see soon enough.

kurtatx · Post #1580 » by **kurtatx** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 7:06 pm

siriusjames wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/484774956425703424[/tweet]

The Bulls hoped they could get a commitment earlier this week.

Sources: common sense.