Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

[GetBuLLish]

A picture of him at LAX was tweeted, but the stuff about him telling people Melo was staying in NY was a "my friend's cousin's friend's brother" thing.

Here's the Noah stuff.

Thanks, guys.

Not really basing it off of this Noah stuff, but I've definitely lost most of my optimism that Melo comes here.

[Wont PerDont]

@Chris_Broussard: Source: Knicks will not meet with LeBron's agent, Rich Paul. Knicks didn't seem to have the means to clear max room for LeBron

no **** Broussard

No takers for Am'm'''ar'e for straight cap space? Well color me surprised.

And I don't know what's more sad. The fact that they could have amnestied him and gotten Melo some real talent to play with (exc. they used the provision on some inconsequential contract already...B. Davis or Billups???), or that Melo might sign there anyway even though their franchise has been a joke for a decade with little relief in sight.

[kyrv]

Well to me the main thing is Nighttrain came on saying that Melo was planning on staying in NY and was going around soaking up the recruiting pitches and trying to recruit other players to the Knicks. It was all laughed off as preposterous and then Woj broke a story about Melo trying to recruit Gasol to NY. There was also Noah going to LA and people saying he was in LAX telling people Melo was staying in NY and a pic with him looking kind of ticked. Who knows it could all be BS but it honestly wouldn't shock me if it was true.

Oh wow - did Woj really report that?? What a tool if Melo did that.

Yeah here's the article:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/carmelo-an ... 46550.html

LOS ANGELES – Hours before his final meeting with New York Knicks officials, free agent Carmelo Anthony reached out to obtain free agent Pau Gasol's phone number and discuss with him the possibility of playing together at Madison Square Garden, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Thanks much. Best case is the Knicks are still in the running. Worst case, he's already decided or close to deciding it's the Knicks. Which would be what many of us have said all along, talk is cheap.

[Michael Jackson]

I think it takes Gibson, Butler and pick to get Love, so I think we'd Lance to be that wing defender. It certainly setups up a clear 1,2,3 option. With Rose, Love and Lance.

Sorry, you'll never get me aboard the Lance train. And don't say I didn't warn you guys about him 3 years from now.

He's clearly not my first choice but it really weakens the Pacers and I think we have the guys to keep him in line. Taj and Noah won't let him get out of line.

Not my first choice either. Taj, Noah maybe but Rose and Thibs are also important. In the locker room they can handle one head case. I still need to know though if Lance is more Rodman or more erob. If the latter ughhhh. Ok maybe more jr smith or Stephan Jackson. Hell I think if he was Sprewell whom I have hung out with I would even take that.

[TheWhitePanther]

How is it possible that there have been no substantive reports regarding the Bulls meeting with Pau or the fact that Noah may or may not have been in LA today? Meanwhile dipshyte Friedell is jerking around with his mindless and uninformative tweets...Did Bulls beatwriters go on vacation after the Melo visit to Chicago???

[the ultimates]

I generally believe Rose is fine but he never truly showed his lateral quickness yet in his return. We do not what the mental impact of his other knee is going to do. This is truly uncharted waters and it does not compare to Westbrook. I have full faith in Rose coming back but I am not the one staking 60 million and legacy on it either. Melo has also faced a teammate with bad knees before. Westbrook was also a tank prior to injury having never missed a single game at any level prior to that. It just isn't an apple to Apple comparison.

Their was no mental impact from the ACL but their is going to be one from a much lesser injury? Again Rose was shutting down Lillard and Irving so his later quickness was there. Westbrook had 3 surgeries in less than one year on the same knee Derrick has one and he won't be the same? The logic in that doesn't make sense.

I am not anti Rose trust me but no player has ever missed the time Rose has and has come back to form. If you have the example please site it. I am sure my logic doesn't make sense, but honestly I can't see yours so I need you to expound on it a bit more.

Here is where you are getting confused. You're assuming the injuries have made him a lesser player physically when the ACL did not do that and the meniscus isn't going to do that (Westbrook). Yes he was rusty and he probably will be to start next season but that goes away as you play. Not being as quick, lacking elevation those are sign of past injuries taking a toll. People have to stop confusing rust with actual physically diminished skills which is what you've done.

[Michael Jackson]

Oh wow - did Woj really report that?? What a tool if Melo did that.

Yeah here's the article:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/carmelo-an ... 46550.html

LOS ANGELES – Hours before his final meeting with New York Knicks officials, free agent Carmelo Anthony reached out to obtain free agent Pau Gasol's phone number and discuss with him the possibility of playing together at Madison Square Garden, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Thanks much. Best case is the Knicks are still in the running. Worst case, he's already decided or close to deciding it's the Knicks. Which would be what many of us have said all along, talk is cheap.

Yeah that may be the case. I think it is the Knicks hence why Dolan brought in Jax.

[Polynice4Pippen]

I think it takes Gibson, Butler and pick to get Love, so I think we'd Lance to be that wing defender. It certainly setups up a clear 1,2,3 option. With Rose, Love and Lance.

Sorry, you'll never get me aboard the Lance train. And don't say I didn't warn you guys about him 3 years from now.

He's clearly not my first choice but it really weakens the Pacers and I think we have the guys to keep him in line. Taj and Noah won't let him get out of line.

No one has controlled Lance his entire life. He doesn't even listen to Larry Bird, he's not gonna all of a sudden listen to Jo and Taj. If Lance ever gets himself in line it'll be because he's finally sought out the mental help he needs and he does it himself.

[Rerisen]

Rescuing CFs sub discussion and combining these posts:

If the Bulls don't get Melo, that's disappointing but not the end of the world. I didn't expect it. For the love of all that is good and holy though, can we drop the whole "flexibility" thing? Please? Can we just try to put the best team possible on the court now? No maneuvering for capspace that will amount to nothing. No dumping players for assets that won't be used. I don't want the Bulls to trade future firsts for bad players or take on awful contracts. They don't have to be Brooklyn stupid.
Just: Let's try to put the best team we can on the court.

I just don't ever want to see another Bulls team where most of the money on the roster is going to people who are there for the sake of "future flexibility".

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-strategy-crucial-anthonys-tour-winds-down

The idea of a deeper, well-rounded squad, while not the big splash many Bulls fans are hoping for this summer, is appealing because of the success of the San Antonio Spurs, who used that model to defeat the star-studded Miami Heat in June’s NBA Finals.

Agree, and yet the problem here is that a "well rounded club like the Spurs" takes actually ***good players*** and not just any random player trying hard.

Unfortunately there is a lot of confusion about what is actually a good player, whether from fanbaes or even Front Offices. If we think a Marco Belinelli level guys is such, we are wrong by and large. Instructive to note that despite his reformation in SA he barely got on the court during the Finals.

There is no substituting for real talent.

[Shill]

Sorry, you'll never get me aboard the Lance train. And don't say I didn't warn you guys about him 3 years from now.

He's clearly not my first choice but it really weakens the Pacers and I think we have the guys to keep him in line. Taj and Noah won't let him get out of line.

No one has controlled Lance his entire life. He doesn't even listen to Larry Bird, he's not gonna all of a sudden listen to Jo and Taj. If Lance ever gets himself in line it'll be because he's finally sought out the mental help he needs and he does it himself.

This is what really worries me, especially because Bird is such a staunch advocate of his.

[Michael Jackson]

Their was no mental impact from the ACL but their is going to be one from a much lesser injury? Again Rose was shutting down Lillard and Irving so his later quickness was there. Westbrook had 3 surgeries in less than one year on the same knee Derrick has one and he won't be the same? The logic in that doesn't make sense.

I am not anti Rose trust me but no player has ever missed the time Rose has and has come back to form. If you have the example please site it. I am sure my logic doesn't make sense, but honestly I can't see yours so I need you to expound on it a bit more.

Here is where you are getting confused. You're assuming the injuries have made him a lesser player physically when the ACL did not do that and the meniscus isn't going to do that (Westbrook). Yes he was rusty and he probably will be to start next season but that goes away as you play. Not being as quick, lacking elevation those are sign of past injuries taking a toll. People have to stop confusing rust with actual physically diminished skills which is what you've done.

We never saw the ACL fully played out though and I am only speaking from Melos perspective. 10 games most not good the last few well really good. He refused to come back after the ACL. Perhaps by no means sure that may have contributed to the MCL. Now questioning to play with team USA. Just talking from Melos perspective who saw granted a much much lesser player in Shumpert come back and having to deal with Amare, you might understand that he might have a question mark or two.

[MrFortune3]

How is it possible that there have been no substantive reports regarding the Bulls meeting with Pau or the fact that Noah may or may not have been in LA today? Meanwhile dipshyte Friedell is jerking around with his mindless and uninformative tweets...Did Bulls beatwriters go on vacation after the Melo visit to Chicago???

People think Gasol is a back up plan and they do not care about anything except Melo.

[dumbell78]

So ppl here are still stir crazy from meaningless innuendo, awesome! You guys need to chill, enjoy the weekend. We know nothing and won't for a bit.

[isamil-]

Just curious what Bulls fans are willing to give up in a trade to land Melo. Phil just isnt going to let him go for peanuts. Already turned away Boozer. Realistic trade offer to get a deal done. Go.

If push comes to shove, which it wont because Melo is taking the money and running--Mirotic, MDJ, Snell. Possibly a first rounder. Which is more than enough to get it done. Its probably over paying. Its all dependent on Melo. Always was.

Dont really want Mirotic. Would prefer McDermott. MDJ is gett old. Snell is a bum. At best an average 3 d player.

Thats a pretty terrible offer honestly. I think Bulls fans think they will sign him outright which isnt going to happen.


But thanks for being the only person to actually answer my question.

Wow he only gave you one first rounder? Lol
I thought itd be more like this:

Boozer
2015 1st (and 2nd?)
2017 1st (and 2nd?)
SAC pick
Snell
Mirotic or mcdermott (not both)
And mdj

[chifan1798]

Expect a trade tomorrow! Not Taj.

You can't give us news like this and not elaborate!!!!

If it's not Taj, it must be Boozer.

[Michael Jackson]

He's clearly not my first choice but it really weakens the Pacers and I think we have the guys to keep him in line. Taj and Noah won't let him get out of line.

No one has controlled Lance his entire life. He doesn't even listen to Larry Bird, he's not gonna all of a sudden listen to Jo and Taj. If Lance ever gets himself in line it'll be because he's finally sought out the mental help he needs and he does it himself.

This is what really worries me, especially because Bird is such a staunch advocate of his.

Yet Larry wants him back.

[vjoali]

If the Bulls don't land Melo, we badly need a scorer.

Boozer will not be here next season and he's one of our consistent scorers.
Rose coming back cannot guarantee that he can fill the scoring load that Boozer did the past seasons.

With the news that Melo likely to come back in New York, I don't want to expect that he's coming here already.
If he comes here, then good. But I think he needs to decide this weekend already so we can route to our other plans.

[bledredwine]

No Melo ill be devistated. Literally 0 faith in our FO in FA already.

[Shill]

Expect a trade tomorrow! Not Taj.

You can't give us news like this and not elaborate!!!!

If it's not Taj, it must be Boozer.

Is he credible?

I'm assuming no.

[Mech Engineer]

Rescuing CFs sub discussion and combining these posts:

If the Bulls don't get Melo, that's disappointing but not the end of the world. I didn't expect it. For the love of all that is good and holy though, can we drop the whole "flexibility" thing? Please? Can we just try to put the best team possible on the court now? No maneuvering for capspace that will amount to nothing. No dumping players for assets that won't be used. I don't want the Bulls to trade future firsts for bad players or take on awful contracts. They don't have to be Brooklyn stupid.
Just: Let's try to put the best team we can on the court.

I just don't ever want to see another Bulls team where most of the money on the roster is going to people who are there for the sake of "future flexibility".

http://www.csnchicago.com/bulls/bulls-strategy-crucial-anthonys-tour-winds-down

The idea of a deeper, well-rounded squad, while not the big splash many Bulls fans are hoping for this summer, is appealing because of the success of the San Antonio Spurs, who used that model to defeat the star-studded Miami Heat in June’s NBA Finals.

Agree, and yet the problem here is that a "well rounded club like the Spurs" takes actually ***good players*** and not just any random player trying hard.

Unfortunately there is a lot of confusion about what is actually a good player, whether from fanbaes or even Front Offices. If we think a Marco Belinelli level guys is such, we are wrong by and large. Instructive to note that despite his reformation in SA he barely got on the court during the Finals.

There is no substituting for real talent.

The problem with building like the Spurs is takes a lot of years unlike adding the superstar style. I prefer the Spurs depth style because it has talent + no one or two points of failure like the Bulls had in 2011 or the Heat had this year.

The Bulls cannot add a whole lot of talent in one off-season. They cannot keep dumping talent one year and expect to magically have a deep team next year. They literally had 2 or 3 NBA playoff rotation players last year. You need 10 NBA playoff rotation players(second round team). You need 4 or 5 of them to be added this year and that will obviously not happen.

The Bulls could have been the Spurs if they had used the Boozer money in the right way in 2010 and not given up on talent after that. They could have even been a younger/high end version of the Spurs.