Melo 15: The End Is Nigh

[Knicksfan20]

I understand that coldfish. Thats why we have some leverage here. That is my point. I understand the new rules just fine. What part of any of my posts says otherwise?

They offer a better monetary situation than the Bulls, but the sign and trade doesn't give the player anything. That's my point. Why would the Bulls give up all of the stuff to the Knicks in sign and trade when they can just give up Taj and the MLE? There is an upper limit to how much Chicago would offer in S&T as a result and your offers are well past that.

Side note: I had a typo in my last post. Its 4/96 from Chicago.

If the Knicks sign and trade Melo, he would still get his 5/130
If the Bulls sign Melo he can only get 4/96


Thats the leverage we hold. We can get Melo his 5th year option. If Melo really wants that 5th year Knicks max, then we have some leverage because we are the only team that can give him that.

Melo would be smarter to just sign. It would be better for the Bulls and increase his chances... But i dont think he burns his bridges here. We invested a lot into him and he knows that. He will sign and trade imo.

At the very least get us something, even if its a peanuts deal Knicks fans will be unhappy with.

[MisterRoy]

Nope:

LarryCoon Larry Coon
Rules for S&T now are that the player can get only 4 years, 4.5% raises.

This is the origin for the $33M Melo loses even if he does a S&T with the max.

[Knicksfan20]

Nope:

LarryCoon Larry Coon
Rules for S&T now are that the player can get only 4 years, 4.5% raises.

OH... Lol. Guess i did misunderstand the rule. That is stupid. I thought they were trying to help out small market teams? Giving the Small Market teams the ability to offer more money to sign or to trade would be a decent benifit.

[TheWhitePanther]

Please be a smokescreen....please be a smokescreen....

I am starting to wonder if ALL of what has been reported is to get Chicago to add more real assets to a sign and trade. Assets you rebuild a team with, like Buter and Mirotic.

This is an interesting angle. It would certainly explain why the Bulls are still involved. It would really make for an interesting twist if part of the reason the Bulls and Knicks were in LA at the same time was to discuss terms of a S&T while the Bulls and Melo work on getting Pau on board. You have to think a lot of the stories that come out are conveniently timed, such as stories like Mirotic all of a sudden becoming available to play in the US and repeated leaks from Phil that Boozer will not be accepted as part of a S&T.

[Droseisthe1]

Please be a smokescreen....please be a smokescreen....

I am starting to wonder if ALL of what has been reported is to get Chicago to add more real assets to a sign and trade. Assets you rebuild a team with, like Buter and Mirotic.

This is an interesting angle. It would certainly explain why the Bulls are still involved. It would really make for an interesting twist if part of the reason the Bulls and Knicks were in LA at the same time was to discuss terms of a S&T while the Bulls and Melo work on getting Pau on board. You have to think a lot of the stories that come out are conveniently timed, such as stories like Mirotic all of a sudden becoming available to play in the US and repeated leaks from Phil that Boozer will not be accepted as part of a S&T.

Exactly. But then again, it could also mean the Bulls are moving on to their contingency plans as well. Ahh!!

[coldfish]

I understand that coldfish. Thats why we have some leverage here. That is my point. I understand the new rules just fine. What part of any of my posts says otherwise?

They offer a better monetary situation than the Bulls, but the sign and trade doesn't give the player anything. That's my point. Why would the Bulls give up all of the stuff to the Knicks in sign and trade when they can just give up Taj and the MLE? There is an upper limit to how much Chicago would offer in S&T as a result and your offers are well past that.

Side note: I had a typo in my last post. Its 4/96 from Chicago.

If the Knicks sign and trade Melo, he would still get his 5/130
If the Bulls sign Melo he can only get 4/96


Thats the leverage we hold. We can get Melo his 5th year option. If Melo really wants that 5th year Knicks max, then we have some leverage because we are the only team that can give him that.

Melo would be smarter to just sign. It would be better for the Bulls and increase his chances... But i dont think he burns his bridges here. We invested a lot into him and he knows that. He will sign and trade imo.

At the very least get us something, even if its a peanuts deal Knicks fans will be unhappy with.

No. You don't understand the rules than.

If the Knicks sign and trade Melo, he can only get 4/96. That's the change.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q54

Its right on the table. Max sign and trade is 4 years, 4.5% raises.

You understand my point now? Chicago can just give that by giving up Gibson and have no need for NY's assistance in that case. Chicago won't give up a ton in sign and trade. Well, they won't give up anything because Melo is taking that 5/130 from NY to the bank.

[MisterRoy]

The glass is half full, Bulls fans. We have not been told no!

[Droseisthe1]

One thing I'm glad about, if Melo chooses NY, it's not like we'll have to worry about that squad threatening for anything important. The Heat coming together in 2010 was a legit roadblock to out chances of contending.


NY is a cakewalk with or without Melo.

[umfan83]

Bulls face long odds of landing Carmelo Anthony

By KC Johnson
...
As the Lakers used a video by the producer of "The Matrix" in their Thursday free-agent pitch to Carmelo Anthony, Bulls management had to fly all the way to Tinseltown to woo Pau Gasol, a backup plan to Anthony that is looking like a more realistic option.

Two days removed from the high of their well-received pitch to Anthony in Chicago, the Bulls continued to grasp the long odds regarding acquiring Anthony, who also met with Knicks President Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher later Thursday in Los Angeles.

A Yahoo Sports report stated Anthony also planned to reach out to Gasol to discuss him joining the Knicks, another in a growing set of signs that Anthony may re-up in New York. Joakim Noah, intimately involved in the Bulls' pitch to Anthony, has told several people he believes Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks.

Multiple media outlets reported both the Knicks and Lakers offered Anthony a maximum contract that surpasses the Bulls' financial means unless the team is gutted. Such an approach is typically against Bulls management's philosophy....

But don't fret Bulls fans we have a surprise move in store!

The Bulls also have made clear they'd like to re-sign Kirk Hinrich -Trib.

So much for the 'we're pulling out all the stops to improve the team' approach. Instead we try to lowball the marquee FA you spent a year courting and tell him it's because you have to keep Taj fing Gibson.

Gut the **** team if you have to in order to get a superstar. You aren't winning with Rose, Noah and a supporting cast. You get Rose, Noah and Melo together and figure out the rest as you go.

[MisterRoy]

One thing I'm glad about, if Melo chooses NY, it's not like we'll have to worry about that squad threatening for anything important. The Heat coming together in 2010 was a legit roadblock to out chances of contending.


NY is a cakewalk with or without Melo.

This is true. PJ didn't make his team a ton stronger with that trade to Dallas. Dallas wanted Chandler and PJ made them take Felton cause he had 2 more years left on his contract. It's the same thing he is doing to us with Melo and Smith.

[randybrown]

Nope:

LarryCoon Larry Coon
Rules for S&T now are that the player can get only 4 years, 4.5% raises.

OH... Lol. Guess i did misunderstand the rule. That is stupid. I thought they were trying to help out small market teams? Giving the Small Market teams the ability to offer more money to sign or to trade would be a decent benifit.

lol

[coldfish]

So much for the 'we're pulling out all the stops to improve the team' approach. Instead we try to lowball the marquee FA you spent a year courting and tell him it's because you have to keep Taj fing Gibson.

Gut the **** team if you have to in order to get a superstar. You aren't winning with Rose, Noah and a supporting cast. You get Rose, Noah and Melo together and figure out the rest as you go.

The only reason why Melo leaves the 5/130 on the table is to win. Rose, Noah and him with no help isn't doing that. Chicago is caught between a rock and a hard place.

It will come out at some point but I'm sure the Bulls let his agents know that they could trade Gibson. If I was them, I just wouldn't want to mention what the team would look like as a result. Its not pretty.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

Bulls face long odds of landing Carmelo Anthony

By KC Johnson
...
As the Lakers used a video by the producer of "The Matrix" in their Thursday free-agent pitch to Carmelo Anthony, Bulls management had to fly all the way to Tinseltown to woo Pau Gasol, a backup plan to Anthony that is looking like a more realistic option.

Two days removed from the high of their well-received pitch to Anthony in Chicago, the Bulls continued to grasp the long odds regarding acquiring Anthony, who also met with Knicks President Phil Jackson and coach Derek Fisher later Thursday in Los Angeles.

A Yahoo Sports report stated Anthony also planned to reach out to Gasol to discuss him joining the Knicks, another in a growing set of signs that Anthony may re-up in New York. Joakim Noah, intimately involved in the Bulls' pitch to Anthony, has told several people he believes Anthony will re-sign with the Knicks.

Multiple media outlets reported both the Knicks and Lakers offered Anthony a maximum contract that surpasses the Bulls' financial means unless the team is gutted. Such an approach is typically against Bulls management's philosophy....

But don't fret Bulls fans we have a surprise move in store!

The Bulls also have made clear they'd like to re-sign Kirk Hinrich -Trib.

So much for the 'we're pulling out all the stops to improve the team' approach. Instead we try to lowball the marquee FA you spent a year courting and tell him it's because you have to keep Taj fing Gibson.

Gut the **** team if you have to in order to get a superstar. You aren't winning with Rose, Noah and a supporting cast. You get Rose, Noah and Melo together and figure out the rest as you go.

Why let the truth get in the way of your misplaced rage...

[MisterRoy]

Where is it reported that we lowballed the marquee FA? Reports are that we didn't talk specific numbers. Sheesh...

Honestly...GarPax isn't as stupid as we want to believe. They might not be the best but they aren't stupid.

[punkmodafunk]

So Melo will meet today with the Knicks right?

Maybe he'll have a decision later on?

[DRoseCantStop]

So Melo will meet today with the Knicks right?

Maybe he'll have a decision later on?

He already met with them last night.

[the ultimates]

Just thinking about it...if Melo actually does go back to NY with a full max deal, doesnt it effectively put a big dent in Phil's plan to bring in big names to the Knicks in 2015?

I thought the understanding of Phil was for Melo to take less so the team could bring in more talent 2015 and after.

Maybe I am wrong in this.

Plus its quite possible the best player in 2015 free agent class is Rudy Gay. Let that sink in for minute. Love is a Laker or probably staying with whichever team trades for him. Aldridge has a max deal on the table reportedly from Portland. Rondo is a terrible fit for the triangle. So that leaves Marc Gasol who is good but definitely not good enough to make them a contender just by going to New York. That's why I've said it before and I'll say it again if he stays with the Knicks in three seasons he'll be looking for a way out.

[umfan83]

But don't fret Bulls fans we have a surprise move in store!

So much for the 'we're pulling out all the stops to improve the team' approach. Instead we try to lowball the marquee FA you spent a year courting and tell him it's because you have to keep Taj fing Gibson.

Gut the **** team if you have to in order to get a superstar. You aren't winning with Rose, Noah and a supporting cast. You get Rose, Noah and Melo together and figure out the rest as you go.

Why let the truth get in the way of your misplaced rage...

The truth as kc reported that the lakers offered a contract that surpasses the bulls financial means and the bulls aren't prepared to gut the team (read: trade Taj) to get him.

[I beg to differ]

If the Knicks sign and trade Melo, he would still get his 5/130
If the Bulls sign Melo he can only get 4/96


Thats the leverage we hold.

Melo could hold all the leverage. He could tell the Knicks "sign and trade me to Chicago for peanuts, or lose me to Houston for nothing."

What you'd need, then, is for Phil to be both sly and slick. He'd have to convince Houston of what Melo told Phil, which could prompt Houston to quickly move on from Melo. As soon as Houston signs somebody else, that kills Melo's leverage. Perhaps Phil could make a secret recording of Melo's ultimatum, being the clever smooth fox that he is.

The Lakers/Mavericks situation gives Melo no leverage, imo. I don't see Phil buying that Melo would sign with them.

[Droseisthe1]

If PJ never joined the Knicks.....