Melo 16- If it's meant to be, it's meant to be

MoneyMitch · Post #1741 » by **MoneyMitch** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:14 pm

Bulls- Melo/Burks
Jazz- Boozer/Snell/Picks
Knicks- Picks/TPE/MDJ/Cash

Procision · Post #1742 » by **Procision** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:14 pm

Trade taj for pick + TPE. Once Melo signs trade TPE + for Pau in a sign and trade

JohnnyTapwater · Post #1743 » by **JohnnyTapwater** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:14 pm

I can legitimately say this Melo stuff is making my head hurt...

At first it's 129M vs. 60M

Now, if we can offer 22M it's 129M vs. 88M if I'm not mistaken. But replace Taj with Gasol?

Why wouldn't we go forward with this?....Oh...that pesky 41M he'd be leaving on the table.

MeloBull · Post #1744 » by **MeloBull** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:15 pm

Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:The Bulls have given Melo two options. One with Gibson and one without Gibson and Melo getting the max. Also the Gasol stuff is linked to this. I can't get into specifics but the Bulls could land Melo at 22mil, Gasol at 8mil and still have the MLE for Nikola.

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

This makes no sense to me at all. If Melo has any real desire to win and has been given a max offer from a contender how does he turn that down?

Southpaw · Post #1745 » by **Southpaw** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:15 pm

Great job by the FO even if we don't get Melo.

WinCity · Post #1746 » by **WinCity** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:15 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:I can legitimately say this Melo stuff is making my head hurt...

At first it's 129M vs. 60M

Now, if we can offer 22M it's 129M vs. 88M if I'm not mistaken. But replace Taj with Gasol?

Why wouldn't we go forward with this?....Oh...that pesky 41M he'd be leaving on the table.

There are annual raises that apply to the 22 mil figure, not to mention we can extend him for a 5th year further closing the gap.

jStuNNa · Post #1747 » by **jStuNNa** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:16 pm

SteelerSpartan wrote:I would feel really dirty if we did Taj that way

Maybe Taj already knows. Would he really be that upset going back to his own hometown?

Him being a part of the recruitment process might have been the Bulls trying to put leverage on Melo to take less to keep him. In that sense, they're not doing him dirty -- they're showing him they're willing to do anything possible to keep him.

But he has to know ... heck, everyone knows ... that Taj cannot be a deal breaker in getting Melo. I don't think he would have trouble accepting that knowing the Bulls did everything they could to avoid losing him.

TheSuzerain · Post #1748 » by **TheSuzerain** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:16 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:I can legitimately say this Melo stuff is making my head hurt...

At first it's 129M vs. 60M

Now, if we can offer 22M it's 129M vs. 88M if I'm not mistaken. But replace Taj with Gasol?

Why wouldn't we go forward with this?....Oh...that pesky 41M he'd be leaving on the table.

Melo max for us is 96 Million over 4 years, I believe.

MoneyMitch · Post #1749 » by **MoneyMitch** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:17 pm

JohnnyTapwater wrote:I can legitimately say this Melo stuff is making my head hurt...

At first it's 129M vs. 60M

Now, if we can offer 22M it's 129M vs. 88M if I'm not mistaken. But replace Taj with Gasol?

Why wouldn't we go forward with this?....Oh...that pesky 41M he'd be leaving on the table.

You forgot the increases

All Melo is really leaving behind is the 5th year

pylb · Post #1750 » by **pylb** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:17 pm

MeloBull wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

This makes no sense to me at all. If Melo has any real desire to win and has been given a max offer from a contender how does he turn that down?

what if he also has a very real desire to raise his son in New York and play in New York

Southpaw · Post #1751 » by **Southpaw** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:17 pm

WinCity wrote:
SteelerSpartan wrote:I would feel really dirty if we did Taj that way

I know a certain poster who said we told Taj going into the meeting this could end with him off the team, and yet he still participated.

I regret now that I called him a lunatic

Taj the team player

NecessaryEvil · Post #1752 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:19 pm

Indomitable wrote:
IndianPlaya17 wrote:
rose2jfat wrote:Yeah, no reason at all to take this long. No reason to think things through on a big decision, consult family, friends and advisers one last time after getting all the pitches, etc.

His family is already in NY. If he wanted to stay there is no reason to consult them for this long. You talk to them that night. If he was thinking about leaving, that's when you really think things through.

Example: My dad had two job offers, to stay in Chicago or to go to Cali. His preference was Chicago all along. It took no more than an hour discussion with my mom and I and it was done deal. The next day, he accepted the offer.

Your dad was talking about losing close 50 million dollars. No!
That is an extraordinary amount to consider turning down.

yeah man,

it's not the same ballpark

HELLL it's not even the same league

8-)

red222 · Post #1753 » by **red222** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:20 pm

MoneyMitch wrote:Bulls- Melo/Burks
Jazz- Boozer/Snell/Picks
Knicks- Picks/TPE/MDJ/Cash

sounds like what bullas posted

NecessaryEvil · Post #1754 » by **NecessaryEvil** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:20 pm

Little Nathan wrote:
Rerisen wrote:Pau with Melo is absolutely fine.

Pau without Melo is head scratching.

100% agree. Pau would be a terrible and unnecessary signing if we don't get Melo.

Oh yeah, good luck with Taj/Noah/Gibson vs. Gortat & Nene again...a duo who clearly has their number

Procision · Post #1755 » by **Procision** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:21 pm

I wonder what the total money Melo would make signing a 3 + 1 deal opting out then signing another max deal. With chicago having lower tax for the 1st 5 years he can't be leaving that much money on the table, probably under 10 mil.

IliketheBullsNBearstoo · Post #1756 » by **IliketheBullsNBearstoo** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:21 pm

MeloBull wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:
WinCity wrote:

BTW does the without Gibson option involve sign and trade?

I think the w/o Gibson is if no S&T. I can't get into specifics but the bottom line is the Bulls have told Melo they would give him the 4 year max.

I still think he stays with the Knicks.

This makes no sense to me at all. If Melo has any real desire to win and has been given a max offer from a contender how does he turn that down?

Because his wife says so.

greenwing · Post #1757 » by **greenwing** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:21 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Rerisen wrote:Pau with Melo is absolutely fine.

Pau without Melo is head scratching.

100% agree. Pau would be a terrible and unnecessary signing if we don't get Melo.

Oh yeah, good luck with Taj/Noah/Gibson vs. Gortat & Nene again...a duo who clearly has their number

Taj/Noah/Gibson?

mostek · Post #1758 » by **mostek** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:21 pm

coldfish wrote:
MoneyMitch wrote:Dream scenario for you guys

Melo via sign and trade
Pau BAE
Mirotic MLE
DJ and Kirk vet min

It would look more like this:

Gibson to Charlotte
Boozer and 1st to LA
Picks and no salary to NY
Melo and Gasol to Chicago

If it is true the Utah was willing to take Boozer, for Snell, and a 1st, there would be no reason to move Gibson. You could get Melo the max, while keeping Gibson, instead of Gasol. If you still wanted Gasol, the 3 un-guaranteed guys can bring back $6.2M, adding Smith gets it to $7.6M. If it were cheaper to send Boozer to LAL, than Utah, even better, but no reason to move Gibson.

RememberLu · Post #1759 » by **RememberLu** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:22 pm

NecessaryEvil wrote:
Little Nathan wrote:
Rerisen wrote:Pau with Melo is absolutely fine.

Pau without Melo is head scratching.

100% agree. Pau would be a terrible and unnecessary signing if we don't get Melo.

Oh yeah, good luck with Taj/Noah/Gibson vs. Gortat & Nene again...a duo who clearly has their number

ehh...I'm not too worried about that really. Noah wasnt himself due to the loss fo his mentor in that series.

and really the problem in that series was that our guards got severely outplayed. Our bigs are still a strength of this team, and our guard depth is still our big weakness. In that respect nothing has changed since 2010

Benedict Miller · Post #1760 » by **Benedict Miller** » Sat Jul 5, 2014 8:23 pm

Didn't the Wizards out rebound us?