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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1381 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:20 am

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My preference would be for small moves, or taking chances on some younger players like we did with Plumlee and Green. With the right mix of small moves, we could become a 50 win team, with cap space and three draft picks next year. What more could a free agent ask for? You could go after Marc Gasol, Kevin Love, or LaMarcus Aldridge. Or, depending on the progress our own players make, you extend them and spend smaller amounts on tier 2 and 3 free agents.


I find myself agreeing with Barkley6 a lot. But I really like the idea of finding guys that people may be overlooking. I mean if our coaching staff can turn Green and Plumlee who were afterthoughts into starters on a 49 win team, WHO ELSE is out there and lets find them! Why waste huge dollars on guys past their prime when we can pluck guys for nothing that no one cares about and find their potential. People were wondering why we were going after Kent Bazemore. I don't care why...the dude gets paid, what a million dollars? Who knows what we can do with him? If they see something in these guys, go get them.

Honestly, last year if Green and Plumlee were free agents and we signed Green for $3 million and Plumlee for $1 million SunsDeuce would have likely lost it. To be fair, many of us would have wondered what was up. But if we can get more production out of guys on the cheap instead of vastly overpaying guys like everyone else is doing it's a no lose situation. The west is VERY tough. Lets load our arsenal with multiple cheap, yet deadly weapons for the future.


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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1382 » by Blackification » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:21 am

LukasBMW wrote:If Lebron stays in Miami, Kevin Love doesn't get traded (yet) and Chris Bosh doesn't join Houston.

If Lebron goes to the Cavs, Kevin Love probably gets traded to the Cavs as well and we miss our shot at him. Additionally, Chris Bosh joins the Rockets and makes them tougher.

So, let's all hope that Reilly pulled out his bazooka today and blew Lebron away with his plan to keep winning.

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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1383 » by DirtyDez » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:22 am

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DirtyDez wrote:YouTube videos can be deceiving but Monroe looks more explosive than his "stiff" reputation describes. Also have to factor him going from a bad team to good team so why wouldn't he overachieve like everyone else here? Kieff or Plumlee gotta go to make it happen so I can't see it happening.



Don't forget he also had to deal with Jennings and smith.
His number improve at Center but Drummond takes a lot of those minutes.


Basically going from bottom-3 backcourt to top-3 backcourt.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1384 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:23 am

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KLEON wrote:So Ryan Anderson could be the Suns' next move. Interesting
Ryan Anderson is owed too much money over the next 2 years @ $8.5 million each. Essentially, half of Frye's new contract. No thank you and to potentially give up a first for him. :evil:


They may not want that much. See they HAVE to send out at least 3-4 million to complete the Asik trade or it doesn't work, so we may not have to give up much. And we have money to spend NOW before we end up with huge cap holds for Dragic and the twins next year....may as well spend it, especially on a guy that helps out our slashing point guards' games immensely.

I'd rather not give up any of our players, and wouldn't totally mind a first if it was heavily protected, to where it would never be a lottery pick (kind of like the one we got from Minnesota that will eventually turn into two second rounders).
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1385 » by Cutter » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:25 am

DirtyDez wrote:YouTube videos can be deceiving but Monroe looks more explosive than his "stiff" reputation describes. Also have to factor him going from a bad team to good team so why wouldn't he overachieve like everyone else here? Kieff or Plumlee gotta go to make it happen so I can't see it happening.

Personally I'm am A-ok with dealing Plumlee as part of any deal that improves the Suns. Now that Frye is gone Plumlee is one of the "middle aged" players on the team. He will be 26 in just a couple on months (September), and while he can improve has a very low ceiling IMO. By contrast Len just turned 20.

My thinking has evolved on Monroe. I am really hung up on the Suns getting an elite rim protector, and the book on Monroe is that he is not athletic enough for rim protection. However, if you look at the #1 rim protector over the last 10 years, his name is Tim Duncan. Monroe and Duncan are similar in one way.....they both play below the rim. I am not insinuating that Monroe is in the same league as Duncan, but he might be a better defender than RealGM gives him credit for. If McD and Hornacek think Moroe fits, then I would support signing him.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1386 » by so_nashty » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:28 am

Haven't seen ray ray around today (maybe I missed him) but it is pretty damn quiet which is so odd but I kinda like it. Keeping your cards close to the vest gives you the best leverage IMO.

I'm almost convinced ray ray is Gambo or at least works with him giving the timing of reports lol. Everyone loves insider info!
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Post#1387 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:30 am

LukasBMW wrote:If Lebron stays in Miami, Kevin Love doesn't get traded (yet) and Chris Bosh doesn't join Houston.

If Lebron goes to the Cavs, Kevin Love probably gets traded to the Cavs as well and we miss our shot at him. Additionally, Chris Bosh joins the Rockets and makes them tougher.

So, let's all hope that Reilly pulled out his bazooka today and blew Lebron away with his plan to keep winning.


That Kevin Love to the Cavs thing REALLY intrigues me. Because if you are Minnesota there is ZERO chance you do it if you don't get Wiggins. But if you are Cleveland, do you really give up this guy who everyone thought might be the next LeBron? Will be interesting to see what happens.

Obviously I'd like the trade not to be made and for us to find a way to get Love at some point. If we landed Anderson, we could probably trade him and the twins for Love and they wouldn't lose out on much. It is pretty even...we might not even do it...but that huge rebounding stretch four would be nice.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1388 » by Cutter » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:31 am

so_nashty wrote:Haven't seen ray ray around today (maybe I missed him) but it is pretty damn quiet which is so odd but I kinda like it. Keeping your cards close to the vest gives you the best leverage IMO.

I'm almost convinced ray ray is Gambo or at least works with him giving the timing of reports lol. Everyone loves insider info!

If Ray Ray were Gambo, his posts would have a much more obnoxious east coast vibe to them! :lol:
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Post#1389 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:32 am

Kerrsed wrote:Well i know that Heat fans are going crazy and want the FO to go after Bledsoe/Stephenson/Monroe with all the cash that they will have once Lebron/Bosh leave.


Yes, if they leave, suddenly the Heat become my biggest fear for a max Bledsoe signing. So part of me hopes they go back. It would be interesting to see LeBron in Cleveland, but I don't really want Love out of the picture for us or Bosh in the west, so for our overall team concerns, it would be best if they all stayed in Miami, for those three reasons.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1390 » by Gorilla Warfare » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:34 am

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so_nashty wrote:Haven't seen ray ray around today (maybe I missed him) but it is pretty damn quiet which is so odd but I kinda like it. Keeping your cards close to the vest gives you the best leverage IMO.

I'm almost convinced ray ray is Gambo or at least works with him giving the timing of reports lol. Everyone loves insider info!

If Ray Ray were Gambo, his posts would have a much more obnoxious east coast vide to them! :lol:


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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1391 » by Puff » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:37 am

Most everyone is concerned what we are going to do and rightfully so. However we must do something according to league rules. If I am correct we have to have a total salary of at least 90% of the salary cap or approximately $56.7M.

We currently are at 30.4 which includes all of our rookies factored in.

If we sign Bledsoe for $15M per year and Tucker for $5M per year we are still $6.3M short of the minimum. I doubt that Bledsoe and Tucker will cost us the $20M that I project but I would not be surprised if they do either.

The problem is that if Miami loses both Lebron and Bosh they are going to have to spend boat loads of money as well. If Melo signs with the Knicks the Lakers are going to have to spend boat loads as well to just get to the minimum. I believe there are more teams in the same boat.

If we do not give Bledsoe the money, whom do you suggest we give it to? Maybe Dragic but I expect that decision to take place next summer.

The price of poker is going to go up and some players are going to get paid far more than they deserve.

Hopefully we do not do anything stupid.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1392 » by spanishninja » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:40 am

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DirtyDez wrote:YouTube videos can be deceiving but Monroe looks more explosive than his "stiff" reputation describes. Also have to factor him going from a bad team to good team so why wouldn't he overachieve like everyone else here? Kieff or Plumlee gotta go to make it happen so I can't see it happening.

Personally I'm am A-ok with dealing Plumlee as part of any deal that improves the Suns. Now that Frye is gone Plumlee is one of the "middle aged" players on the team. He will be 26 in just a couple on months (September), and while he can improve has a very low ceiling IMO. By contrast Len just turned 20.

My thinking has evolved on Monroe. I am really hung up on the Suns getting an elite rim protector, and the book on Monroe is that he is not athletic enough for rim protection. However, if you look at the #1 rim protector over the last 10 years, his name is Tim Duncan. Monroe and Duncan are similar in one way.....they both play below the rim. I am not insinuating that Monroe is in the same league as Duncan, but he might be a better defender than RealGM gives him credit for. If McD and Hornacek think Moroe fits, then I would support signing him.


He doesn't need to be a Duncan-esque defender. If he can bring the combination of a big body, post moves, and ok defense he would already be a huge upgrade over plumlee, and then we can start Len.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1393 » by Cutter » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:42 am

If the Suns are having trouble reaching the cap floor, I volunteer myself to take any amount of salary necessary to reach said floor.

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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1394 » by sunsbum » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:43 am

I'm not concerned at all. Teams like the Milwaukee bucks, Minnesota timberwolves and Washington wizards have been rebuilding for what seems like decades. Us...oh right, 1 year. I think the FO was all in on LBJ but we are back on track with keeping flexibility, assets and making good solid trades. Just because of our quick turnaround and The King being whored out doesn't mean we have changed from mcD's original philosophy.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread! 

Post#1395 » by so_nashty » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:44 am

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Cutter wrote:
so_nashty wrote:Haven't seen ray ray around today (maybe I missed him) but it is pretty damn quiet which is so odd but I kinda like it. Keeping your cards close to the vest gives you the best leverage IMO.

I'm almost convinced ray ray is Gambo or at least works with him giving the timing of reports lol. Everyone loves insider info!

If Ray Ray were Gambo, his posts would have a much more obnoxious east coast vide to them! :lol:


"Derek Jeter (pronounced Jee-Tah) is the greatest ball player to ever play a ball sport. He is a bi-racial angel".


Unfortunately that's going to be the voice I hear when I read his posts now. Damn you Gambadoro!
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Post#1396 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:46 am

LMAO @ Ray-Ray being Gambo. :lol:

I actually had 2 people PM me over the past 3 days asking me if Ray-Ray was Coro. :lol:
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Post#1397 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:47 am

Puff wrote:Most everyone is concerned what we are going to do and rightfully so. However we must do something according to league rules. If I am correct we have to have a total salary of at least 90% of the salary cap or approximately $56.7M.

We currently are at 30.4 which includes all of our rookies factored in.

If we sign Bledsoe for $15M per year and Tucker for $5M per year we are still $6.3M short of the minimum. I doubt that Bledsoe and Tucker will cost us the $20M that I project but I would not be surprised if they do either.

The problem is that if Miami loses both Lebron and Bosh they are going to have to spend boat loads of money as well. If Melo signs with the Knicks the Lakers are going to have to spend boat loads as well to just get to the minimum. I believe there are more teams in the same boat.

If we do not give Bledsoe the money, whom do you suggest we give it to? Maybe Dragic but I expect that decision to take place next summer.

The price of poker is going to go up and some players are going to get paid far more than they deserve.

Hopefully we do not do anything stupid.


I wouldn't worry about it that much. I think the best signings may come when teams overblow their wads and overpay guys. Then we find guys that are left wondering why they haven't been signed yet. Kind of like any time I go to an arena to scalp a ticket. I wait til the game starts, and then buy a ticket when the guys are freaking out thinking they will be holding a ticket worth nothing. Then I make the most of it like Hornacek and move down into a prime seat.
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Post#1398 » by thamadkant » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:47 am

Cutter wrote:If the Suns are having trouble reaching the cap floor, I volunteer myself to take any amount of salary necessary to reach said floor.

I'll do anything for this team!




Same, for the minimum... $2~3 Million dollars
I will sign a contract with additional tasks if need be.
- Clean the players shower room
- Take the players jerseys to the laundry for washing
- Pick up shoes from stores/companies for players
- Walk their dogs

For a measley 2-3 Million a year.

They can even dunk on me during practice.... I'll sign a 5 year contract (12-13 Million dollars total)

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Post#1399 » by bwgood77 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:49 am

Kerrsed wrote:LMAO @ Ray-Ray being Gambo. :lol:

I actually had 2 people PM me over the past 3 days asking me if Ray-Ray was Coro. :lol:


That is so crazy. I wouldn't guess in a million years he was either of those guys. I think he gets a little better info than the official guys do. I know it can be frustrating to some when ray ray doesn't post for a bit, but when I lived next to Phil Weber and he told me a few things, it wasn't like I could beat down his door on a daily basis and ask him for the latest news. I had to take it as it came. Sure we'd immediately talk basketball if I saw him in the gym or whatever, but you can't always try and pry for info or you likely won't get any more. Actually when I did get interesting info at the time, I wasn't really even looking for it...just talking basketball.
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Post#1400 » by Kerrsed » Thu Jul 10, 2014 4:54 am

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"Derek Jeter (pronounced Jee-Tah) is the greatest ball player to ever play a ball sport. He is a bi-racial angel".


There is a guy on youtube that does the best pronunciations, but surprising enough he doesnt have a Jeter one, so instead i will post a Lebron and Wade one.

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