The Gordon Hayward Thread

[Liver_Pooty]

As official as it can get. Woj reports Jazz will match, but take the full 3 days.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/487145008475435010[/tweet]

Good luck on that contract

Edit: Would be a rather *****y move waiting all 3 days to match it as well. Our front office will remember this.

[Diop]

What's the play here when we don't get any of the big targets?

Send an immediate SOS to Flip Murray to come back and lead us to the promised land

[thesneakysneak]

Well, we tried. Thats as good of an effort as an FO can put into an RFA. Wined and dined and over paid, just to be matched.
Now we really, really need that SG upgrade.
Lance, we are coming for ya.

[jazzfan1971]

Edit: Would be a rather *****y move waiting all 3 days to match it as well. Our front office will remember this.

1 - It was obvious to anyone paying attention that the Jazz would match and take the full 72 hours. I could have told you this weeks or months ago. So, don't blame us for doing exactly what we told you we'd do.

2 - We won't enjoy the contract. But, you guys were certainly willing to do so. So, some sour grapes there?

3 - I hope your front office does remember. Remember that when the Jazz say they'll match any offer, they will match any offer.

[trins]

Wouldn't that mean they are hesitating a bit ? There is still a chance they wouldn't match. This move is like "We have 3 days to think it over before we decide to commit", rather than screw us over the free agency.

I doubt Stephenson would go out and sign a contract before Hayward gets matched. Was it Grantland? that mentioned he is waiting for Hayward fiasco to finish before committing to any team. The only way for him to sign earlier than 3 days is if some team will offer him the max. Would any team take a risk?

[Bassman]

Well, we tried. Thats as good of an effort as an FO can put into an RFA. Wined and dined and over paid, just to be matched.
Now we really, really need that SG upgrade.
Lance, we are coming for ya.

We tried is a royal waste of effort when we knew how long the odds were of success. Glad they are matching. Taking the full 3 days is revenge for our max pain we put on their checkbook. We should be negotiating NOW with Lance, then renounce the offer sheet to Hayward if necessary to get him signed.

[BeesWax]

Edit: Would be a rather *****y move waiting all 3 days to match it as well. Our front office will remember this.

1 - It was obvious to anyone paying attention that the Jazz would match and take the full 72 hours. I could have told you this weeks or months ago. So, don't blame us for doing exactly what we told you we'd do.

2 - We won't enjoy the contract. But, you guys were certainly willing to do so. So, some sour grapes there?

3 - I hope your front office does remember. Remember that when the Jazz say they'll match any offer, they will match any offer.

We stuck you with a guy who does not fit great on your team for a very large price. This lowers your ability to do as much over the next few years. We will remember and when time comes and you are competing with someone for a player but you both need some cap relief we will se who we are willing to help. Poor business like this out of spite almost always comes back to bite people.

[toddlincoln]

Jazz gm is a clown. What people arent saying is how this looks to players/agents. Let's punish another team for trying to give a pay raise. Its straight up shady.

[James Gatz]

Jazz gm is a clown. What people arent saying is how this looks to players/agents. Let's punish another team for trying to give a pay raise. Its straight up shady.

No. It's part of the FA game. Same reason we made the 4th year a player option and added a trade kicker. It's ridiculous any of us would take offense to this. If someone offers Kemba a huge deal, more than we would want to pay, we will definitely take the whole 72 hours to match. Any team would.

[thesneakysneak]

Well, we tried. Thats as good of an effort as an FO can put into an RFA. Wined and dined and over paid, just to be matched.
Now we really, really need that SG upgrade.
Lance, we are coming for ya.

We tried is a royal waste of effort when we knew how long the odds were of success. Glad they are matching. Taking the full 3 days is revenge for our max pain we put on their checkbook. We should be negotiating NOW with Lance, then renounce the offer sheet to Hayward if necessary to get him signed.

Well getting a RFA is always going to be tough, but im glad the FO is at least putting in the effort. It is a good sign of faith to Al and Kemba, that they will work hard to bring in the right players. But I'm in a sense glad they matched that amount of money too.
As someone who would rather Gordon over Lance for this team, I'm glad they went this route. Lance as plan B isn't so bad. What's stopping us from talking to Lance on the sly now also? It doesn't seem like the market is that big on him either.

[BeesWax]

Jazz gm is a clown. What people arent saying is how this looks to players/agents. Let's punish another team for trying to give a pay raise. Its straight up shady.

No. It's part of the FA game. Same reason we made the 4th year a player option and added a trade kicker. It's ridiculous any of us would take offense to this. If someone offers Kemba a huge deal, more than we would want to pay, we will definitely take the whole 72 hours to match. Any team would.

Actually teams don't always do this. A lot of times it is teams fighting for the same FA so they hold cap space from another team. The Jazz are doing this strictly out of spite. We offered before the start of FA and they know they are going to match. A lot of teams just match and move on but this joker is mad we offered him what he was going to get and we were not scared off by his threats so they could low ball him. Trying to intimidate teams away from his FA so he can low ball offer will not look good on him. Also I would not be surprised if we as a team just mess with them when we have a chance as payback.


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[Hornet Mania]

Every successful GM rubs other organizations the wrong way at some point, and even the unsuccessful ones do if they actually try to aggressively improve their team. Think of how many teams hate Morey, I'm fairly certain the Mavs made Parsons that offer just to screw with him above all else. Pop is on record as disliking how it seems like Kupchak can just trade crap for gold because he's in LA and everyone keeps falling for it. Hinkie and Ainge definitely have their detractors, I've read multiple reports from "sources" (yeah, I know, that kind of reporting sucks but it's all we have to go on) that teams have been irritated by their blatant tanking and their incessant desire to stockpile picks at every turn. Pretty sure the only way to make other organizations feel affection towards you is to consistently get owned by the other side in every transaction ala Billy King.

I don't begrudge the Jazz for holding out the full 72 before signing Hayward. It is what it is. If they don't makes us bleed a bit they basically welcome overtures towards all their future RFAs. Every team was warned this would happen, Cho called their bluff and they held firm. No bad intentions by either side, it's just how the business operates. We threw in the trade kicker to twist their arm a bit, as one of the posters above mentioned, so it's not like we kept things clean either. Obviously I'd prefer if they were especially gracious towards us, but I think Cho knew this would happen in the event they matched and he pulled the trigger anyway. It was a good aggressive move, just didn't pay off. I hope Cho will be willing to take this risk again if the situation calls for it, it was worth a shot if that's his guy and he shouldn't be scared away from his preferred targets without testing other teams first. I also hope we make other teams twist like this too if they try to poach Biz/Kemba/MKG in the future, especially if they force us to overpay. It might not be good citizenship but it's good management.

[Elden Payton]

There are no friends in business, that's just the way it is.

[ARHornet]

Don't blame the Jazz for waiting 72 hours. Blame Cho for signing Hayward to a contract that everyone knew would be matched.

[countryboi]

Well i need this lebron mess to drag on for another day so we can get this over with and I hear what you guys are saying but waiting the 72 hours do make your decision for something you already know you are going to do is scum bag ****.

[BeesWax]

Well i need this lebron mess to drag on for another day so we can get this over with and I hear what you guys are saying but waiting the 72 hours do make your deisison for something you already know you are going to do is scum bag ****. if someone did that to me we are going to have a few words

We don't need to have words. Cho will bank this away and next time he has a chance to screw over Utah it will happen. It is the way of the NBA. In some cases this is acceptable but when done out of spite it remembered. If a GM pouts and gets pouty and classless then it will come back to bite them.

[countryboi]

Well i need this lebron mess to drag on for another day so we can get this over with and I hear what you guys are saying but waiting the 72 hours do make your deisison for something you already know you are going to do is scum bag ****. if someone did that to me we are going to have a few words

We don't need to have words. Cho will bank this away and next time he has a chance to screw over Utah it will happen. It is the way of the NBA. In some cases this is acceptable but when done out of spite it remembered. If a GM pouts and gets pouty and classless then it will come back to bite them.

Yea i get its business but there is no reason to punish us for making our team better just match and move on.

[UNCNYC]

I would rather us get McRoberts back on the cheap because Lebron decides not to go to Miami than to pay Hayward all that cash

[NCHeels2008]

I think it's a non issue, I've rarely heard of a team taking less than the full time allotted to match. Y'all are making something out of nothing, this is why teams typically wait till later in the summer to offer restricted guys.

[Flip Murray]

Somebody call lance dammit