The One And Only Offseason Thread!

[iLLmatic3]

But Paul Coro is useless..

Side note: Warren going to learn really quick on what makes Tucker successful. Expect PJ in his ear the next 3 years.

Not as useless as some of these "insiders".

[Scutt]

It's about getting good value signings and drafting well. Take a page out of SAs book.

Very true, but drafting well also means developing those young players and giving them a chance to see what they can do. The Suns do not have the best history with developing their young talent. We have young guys right now that deserve a chance to show what they can do (Len, Goodwin, Marcus, and the rookies) but our front office goes and resigns PJ, taking away minutes from everyone.

[sunsbum]

I didn't want tucker back for what I thought he was going to get but how in the world can you bitch for bringing him back at that price?? Please stop the crying, the D ain't done. You don't go out and get another 20ppg scoring pg without something else brewing.

[Jdiddy701]

Paul Coro is the man.

[Sunsdeuce]

[KLEON]

Pass on the 5'9 thomas you don't win championships with little people running around

Patty Mills says hi.

Another Isiah Thomas says hi.

Was about to post the same thing. You also have Avery Johnson

[Kerrsed]

A GIF is worth a thousand words. That's why we resigned PJ Tucker.

Because he can strong-arm 40 year old PG's?

[SideSwipe]

Random thought...

Maybe we get involved with Sac if we want Thomas-- they also drafted our guy in Stauskas...

Yeah, I brought this up a few days ago because it was rumored we had visited with Thomas. I said maybe a S&T Bledsoe (to play with his buddy Cousins) and we get Thomas, Stauskas, Derrick Williams (to help match salaries), and a pick.

Derrick Williams only has a year left so if he doesn't work out, no big deal, and Stauskas, a pick and Thomas isn't terrible for future.

Of course I say this with the caveat of it being done ONLY because McD didn't want to pay Bledsoe that much (for whatever reason) and wanted to keep Dragic and not pay both. Otherwise I'd prefer to keep both no matter the cost.

BUT, I think Thomas would actually be a good sparkplug 6th man type off the bench. If he was our free agent signing to just come off the bench, that's a DAMN good pg to come off the bench. It doesn't make Ennis expendable necessarily because he's a rookie. But just signing him gives us more trade options later...whether it be trading Thomas, Bledsoe, Dragic, Ennis.

Forgot I never got back to you on this BW... I had not read yours before posting my very similar thought. Great minds think alike on that one. i think the tea leaves are getting pretty clear with regards to Sacto. I certainly don't know if something will happen there, but we know who the players are likely to be if it does. Surprised Stauskas signed his deal already, though....will limit trading him until Dec., I think.

[Moochthemonkey]

Bingo!!! Too bad the Suns are NOT a championship team, so we should have had no business bringing PJ Tucker back. This Suns organization is so desperate to be mediocre it's not even funny anymore. They are going to go all out trying to get in the playoffs, ignore their young prospects, and end up somewhere in the 9th through 11th seed.

You don't become a championship team without championship players. There is a reason the magic spent 30 plus on frye and it's not to help them win a championship this year. At some point you gotta stop stockpiling youth. You may think the 76ers model is the way to go but unless embiid turns out to be Hakeem that team is gonna break up before they learn how to win. Thunder are the only team I've seen become title contenders just stockpiling youth and letting them grow. And they had the greatest 4 year draft stretch of all time probably. (Durant-Westbrook-harden-Ibaka)

By the time the Suns are legitimately competing for championships, do you really think PJ Tucker will still be around? If so, he certainly wont be in his prime. Why do so many people on this board think you need to get all your role players in place BEFORE you have a star? That is the most backwards logic I have ever heard. You get a star and then you get role players that fit with that superstar. We don't need to have veteran role players (like PJ Tucker) locked up before we have a superstar, by doing so, we are almost guaranteeing ourselves to being mediocre. I guess you have never watched the Spurs in the last 1o years then because they did it the right way. They got their superstar in Tim Duncan and then found great pieces to fit around him, not the other way around like you seem to suggest the Suns should be doing...

I agree with your reasoning, but there's nothing wrong with holding over 1 or 2 veterans before obtaining a 'superstar' eg. the Thundersonics holding over Collison on a more lucrative (than Tucker's) contract before they got Durant


And besides...not that I'm suggesting the Suns are a contending team...but they were a game behind Mavs from making the playoffs. And the Mavs were really the one team in the playoffs that gave the eventual champion a legitimate scare. The Suns are younger, and have more room for immediate internal improvement. I'm not going to be too optimistic into the next season but I'm excited nonetheless for what the future brings.

[KLEON]

A GIF is worth a thousand words. That's why we resigned PJ Tucker.

Because he can strong-arm 40 year old PG's?

Players like Tucker win you games please stop the hating.

[bwgood77]

It's about getting good value signings and drafting well. Take a page out of SAs book.

Very true, but drafting well also means developing those young players and giving them a chance to see what they can do. The Suns do not have the best history with developing their young talent. We have young guys right now that deserve a chance to show what they can do (Len, Goodwin, Marcus, and the rookies) but our front office goes and resigns PJ, taking away minutes from everyone.

PJ is the type of player these guys need to be around to learn what kind of hard work and hustle it takes to make it in the NBA. That is one of the biggest problems with Philly's approach is they may end up drafting a bunch of talent, but do those guys have any players to learn anything from about the nba? Any vets?

They may all know deep down they have more talent than PJ and should be on the floor instead of him, but having to earn it will make them better players than just putting them out there and having them get embarrassed. Getting embarrassed and losing confidence can kill careers and it has undoubtedly done so when guys were given too much time too soon and were expected to do too much too fast.

Fortunately guys like Ennis and Warren grew up extremely quickly in college....like Ennis adapted faster than Wiggins; and Warren after zero playing time as a frosh became THE MAN as a sophomore and the best player in arguably the toughest conference in college basketball. So I imagine these guys can adapt and learn quickly.

What could be better for TJ Warren's offensive growth than having to go against PJ Tucker every day in practice? PJ Tucker will make him WORK for it and learn what it's gonna take to score against a good nba defender.

[Sunsdeuce]

A GIF is worth a thousand words. That's why we resigned PJ Tucker.

Because he can strong-arm 40 year old PG's?

Players like Tucker win you games please stop the hating.

[JJ13]

This is 100% accurate...what game did he just lay his body on the line for to dive for a ball and secure a win at the end of the season?

[Revived]

I wish the Suns would look at big men instead of signing more PGs.

Isaiah Thomas? Are you f***ing serious?

[NaturalBuns]

PJ tucker is underrated.
Call it being a homer but whatever Idc.

For that price he's worth it when he punched griffin and got suspended and missed that cavs game the suns got Destroyed. Two other SFs left on the market.

deng
Ariza

Both are probably getting double the pay check tucker will make.
They are not 2x the player tucker is PERIOD.

[sunsfever68]

Patty Mills says hi.

Another Isiah Thomas says hi.

Was about to post the same thing. You also have Avery Johnson

Isaiah Thomas of the Pistons was 6'1 do your homework. 6'1 is passable

Avery JOhnson was 5'11

Every inch matters

Johnson you have an argument on but Thomas is ultra tiny at 5'9 he seems like a better version of nate robinson to me nothing more than a 6th man microwave off the bench for like 7-8 mil a year

[bwgood77]

Random thought...

Maybe we get involved with Sac if we want Thomas-- they also drafted our guy in Stauskas...

Yeah, I brought this up a few days ago because it was rumored we had visited with Thomas. I said maybe a S&T Bledsoe (to play with his buddy Cousins) and we get Thomas, Stauskas, Derrick Williams (to help match salaries), and a pick.

Derrick Williams only has a year left so if he doesn't work out, no big deal, and Stauskas, a pick and Thomas isn't terrible for future.

Of course I say this with the caveat of it being done ONLY because McD didn't want to pay Bledsoe that much (for whatever reason) and wanted to keep Dragic and not pay both. Otherwise I'd prefer to keep both no matter the cost.

BUT, I think Thomas would actually be a good sparkplug 6th man type off the bench. If he was our free agent signing to just come off the bench, that's a DAMN good pg to come off the bench. It doesn't make Ennis expendable necessarily because he's a rookie. But just signing him gives us more trade options later...whether it be trading Thomas, Bledsoe, Dragic, Ennis.

Forgot I never got back to you on this BW... I had not read yours before posting my very similar thought. Great minds think alike on that one. i think the tea leaves are getting pretty clear with regards to Sacto. I certainly don't know if something will happen there, but we know who the players are likely to be if it does. Surprised Stauskas signed his deal already, though....will limit trading him until Dec., I think.

Oh, I didn't realize Stauskas couldn't be traded until December. I really thought there was a decent legit chance a deal like this could happen and might be one of the main reasons we were talking to Thomas.

[RaisingArizona]

Man, we lose Frye and sign Tucker and everyone loses their minds! I think we made the right call here. I'm surprised his deal wasn't bigger-- but also relieved. You always need a guy to do the dirty things. He doesn't look good on paper but he was valuable for us last year.

[Split T]

Bingo!!! Too bad the Suns are NOT a championship team, so we should have had no business bringing PJ Tucker back. This Suns organization is so desperate to be mediocre it's not even funny anymore. They are going to go all out trying to get in the playoffs, ignore their young prospects, and end up somewhere in the 9th through 11th seed.

You don't become a championship team without championship players. There is a reason the magic spent 30 plus on frye and it's not to help them win a championship this year. At some point you gotta stop stockpiling youth. You may think the 76ers model is the way to go but unless embiid turns out to be Hakeem that team is gonna break up before they learn how to win. Thunder are the only team I've seen become title contenders just stockpiling youth and letting them grow. And they had the greatest 4 year draft stretch of all time probably. (Durant-Westbrook-harden-Ibaka)

By the time the Suns are legitimately competing for championships, do you really think PJ Tucker will still be around? If so, he certainly wont be in his prime. Why do so many people on this board think you need to get all your role players in place BEFORE you have a star? That is the most backwards logic I have ever heard. You get a star and then you get role players that fit with that superstar. We don't need to have veteran role players (like PJ Tucker) locked up before we have a superstar, by doing so, we are almost guaranteeing ourselves to being mediocre. I guess you have never watched the Spurs in the last 1o years then because they did it the right way. They got their superstar in Tim Duncan and then found great pieces to fit around him, not the other way around like you seem to suggest the Suns should be doing...

How many tim Duncan's have come around in the last 15 years? Maybe 2 or 3. You're right, in a perfect world we'd do it like the spurs, but that took a whole lotta luck on the spurs end.

I really have no idea what you want the suns to do, with or without tucker they were gonna be decent. Why give up a guy who is a great leader, has great work ethic, who signed a contract that still leaves us with 25+ million dollars in cap space and is gonna be an incredible example and teacher for the young guys we are trying to develop. I see no downside. So our draft pick is gonna be a couple spots lower, the draft has proven to be a crapshoot anyways, you're almost just as likely to draft a star later than you are early.

[Sunsdeuce]

I didn't want tucker back for what I thought he was going to get but how in the world can you bitch for bringing him back at that price?? Please stop the crying, the D ain't done. You don't go out and get another 20ppg scoring pg without something else brewing.

You are correct sir, whether I like him or not, he is now on the team at least for next year. Not gonna ever say I like him but I'm just going to have to accept it.

But I won't bring him up the rest of free agency. But if he screws up during a game, im probably going to say something.

But again, you are %100 right.



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