Official Arsenal FC Thread 3.0

[White+Purple]

You are spending like Man City or Chelsea ... You are not that rich ...

Even adding our £18m net spend this summer this is blatantly not true. We aren't spending anywhere near petrodollars.

I am talking about wages, not about net spending on transfer fees ... You should learn the difference ...

You add Alexis £30m fee and £7m wage on that and compare to revenue and we're still miles ahead.

[bbms]

GMGoran is:

1st: underrating Wenger's ability to make talented offensive players into true world class players.
2nd: taking a financially conservative team for a reckless and spending one.
3rd: flat out underrating the beneficts of having Cazorla, Podolski, Wilshere and Walcott as rotation players.
4th: flat out underrating Ozil and Sanchez potential.

All the assertives above are really poor judgement.

Arsenal is definitely improving as a club. I believe they still lack depth at back line, and need a physical holding midfielder, but their offense is just filthy right now and one world class goal scoring threat (a.k.a striker) away from being top level. Wenger should reinforce heavilly the defense.

[GMgoran]

Even adding our £18m net spend this summer this is blatantly not true. We aren't spending anywhere near petrodollars.

I am talking about wages, not about net spending on transfer fees ... You should learn the difference ...

You add Alexis £30m fee and £7m wage on that and compare to revenue and we're still miles ahead.

If that diagram is correct, you have spent £30 million more than LFC on wages last season, and you have still finished behind us ... And you think that increasing the wage bill is the solution ... OK, then ...

[bbms]

I am talking about wages, not about net spending on transfer fees ... You should learn the difference ...

You add Alexis £30m fee and £7m wage on that and compare to revenue and we're still miles ahead.

If that diagram is correct, you have spent £30 million more than LFC on wages last season, and you have still finished behind us ... And you think that increasing the wage bill is the solution ... OK, then ...

If someone is spending wrong here is Liverpool. Arsenal is a perennial UCL team and have more financial stability, and more revenues. Liverpool was not qualifying for the UCL for long. Now you sold Suárez, would you say Liverpool is likely to qualify again to the UCL? It's clear that Arsenal should improve the spendings (which are historically modests), not to match Liverpool, but to improve their chances at winning the EPL and putting legit UCL squads.

Would you say Liverpool's squad is better than Arsenal's?

[White+Purple]

If that diagram is correct, you have spent £30 million more than LFC on wages last season, and you have still finished behind us ... And you think that increasing the wage bill is the solution ... OK, then ...

Don't change the subject. You said we were spending as much as City and Chelsea. This is not true.

[GMgoran]

If someone is spending wrong here is Liverpool. Arsenal is a perennial UCL team and have more financial stability, and more revenues. Liverpool was not qualifying for the UCL for long. Now you sold Suárez, would you say Liverpool is likely to qualify again to the UCL? It's clear that Arsenal should improve the spendings (which are historically modests), not to match Liverpool, but to improve their chances at winning the EPL and putting legit UCL squads.

Would you say Liverpool's squad is better than Arsenal's?

LFC's squad is definitely better balanced than Arsenal's ... We are yet to see how will Rodgers spend his enormous transfer funds this summer, but the early signs are good ... So far, he is shopping in 2 markets: The market of the Premier League proven players, and the market of the best continental prospects ... If he manages to close the deals for Moreno, Bony and Lovren, in addition to Markovic, Lallana, Can and Lambert, we will definitely enter the new season with a better and squad than Arsenal, especially since we are also getting Reina, Borini, Coates, Suso, Ilori, Wisdom and Ibe back from loan ...

Edit: Wisdom was just being sent to WBA on loan ...

[MaliBrah]

No improve the squad and get rid of the players not needed is the solution , if that means a higher net wage spend so be it. The club can afford it now. The goal is try and win the competitions that the club is in.

Improve squad , and try and keep players fit and the 7 point gap between us and the champs will be closer.

[bbms]

If someone is spending wrong here is Liverpool. Arsenal is a perennial UCL team and have more financial stability, and more revenues. Liverpool was not qualifying for the UCL for long. Now you sold Suárez, would you say Liverpool is likely to qualify again to the UCL? It's clear that Arsenal should improve the spendings (which are historically modests), not to match Liverpool, but to improve their chances at winning the EPL and putting legit UCL squads.

Would you say Liverpool's squad is better than Arsenal's?

LFC's squad is definitely better balanced than Arsenal's ... We are yet to see how will Rodgers spend his enormous transfer funds this summer, but the early signs are good ... So far, he is shopping in 2 markets: The market of the Premier League proven players, and the market of the best continental prospects ... If he manages to close the deals for Moreno, Bony and Lovren, in addition to Markovic, Lallana, Can and Lambert, we will definitely enter the new season with a better and squad than Arsenal, especially since we are also getting Reina, Borini, Coates, Suso, Ilori, Wisdom and Ibe back from loan ...

There's nothing proven about that. Moreno is not proven, Markovic is far from proven, Can is not proven, Lambert and Lallana would have trouble to even make the roster of a legit UCL team, same for Bony.

You are overrating mediocre players like Bony (is he even better than Remy?), Lallana, Lambert, and heavily underrating players like Podolski, Walcott, Cazorla, Ozil and Sanchez. Any of the players you listed have ways and ways to go to prove themselves to be better than Cazorla.

Heck, Walcott and Podolski can score 10 goals a season being rotation players and having their minutes limited, for god sake, how far is a guy like Markovic or Lallana is from that?

And, if Arsenal close the deal on Debuchy, it makes official that the only L'Pool guys that would potentially start for Arsenal would be Lucas (and Can, if as good as advertised), since Arsenal desperately needs someone with his skillset, and Daniel Sturridge.

Reina, Borini, Coates, Suso, Ilori, Wisdom and Ibe back from loan ...

Except for Reina, would any of this guys be a roster option for a legit UCL team?

[b shaw20]

No improve the squad and get rid of the players not needed is the solution , if that means a higher net wage spend so be it. The club can afford it now. The goal is try and win the competitions that the club is in.

Improve squad , and try and keep players fit and the 7 point gap between us and the champs will be closer.

Well said Mali, this SHOULD me our mindset now for Arsenal.

Enough of not being good enough or unlucky because of injuries. Build a squad that has quality depth and a few game changers.

I am not sure how AW plans to use Alexis but assume out wide. I hope we land a capable striker in the likes of Remy as insurance and spell for Giroud. In addition to a solid holding DM, GK and RB and we are set.

[Ong_dynasty]

I'm pretty sure gmorgan is delusional
Probably the only person in world football who actually thinks arsenal (after the last x years) would actually spend money recklessly.lol
I mean you just have to read the articles I posted a page back to see the difference in financial health between arsenal and Liverpool.

As I said, as an arsenal fan it's so weird for other teams fan jealous of our spending..it's like some bizarro world..I can get use to it though..

Seriously guys..just ignore him...

[GMgoran]

I'm pretty sure gmorgan is delusional
Probably the only person in world football who actually thinks arsenal (after the last x years) would actually spend money recklessly.lol
I mean you just have to read the articles I posted a page back to see the difference in financial health between arsenal and Liverpool.

As I said, as an arsenal fan it's so weird for other teams fan jealous of our spending..it's like some bizarro world..I can get use to it though..

Seriously guys..just ignore him...

When you give massive contracts to players who don't deserve it, you are spending money recklessly ... Giving £150,000 per week to Ozil, £140,000 per week to Sanchez and £110,000 per week to Podolski is the Leeds financial model ...

[Ong_dynasty]

When you give massive contracts to players who don't deserve it, you are spending money recklessly ... Giving £150,000 per week to Ozil, £140,000 per week to Sanchez and £110,000 per week to Podolski is the Leeds financial model ...

Ill entertain you for one last time.

this is what our model leads to
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/283453.html
this was before puma deal mind you and the new t.v deal

this is what your model leads to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ounts.html
and this is without having signed players above 80k a week...lol

lets use basic math and use your numbers even though they are inflated.
With those 3 in our books that is around £20/mill a year. We still have enough pay liverpools debt twice over but would struggle buying downing or carroll

[GMgoran]

When you give massive contracts to players who don't deserve it, you are spending money recklessly ... Giving £150,000 per week to Ozil, £140,000 per week to Sanchez and £110,000 per week to Podolski is the Leeds financial model ...

Ill entertain you for one last time.

this is what our model leads to
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/283453.html
this was before puma deal mind you and the new t.v deal

this is what your model leads to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ounts.html
and this is without having signed players above 80k a week...lol

lets use basic math and use your numbers even though they are inflated.
With those 3 in our books that is around £20/mill a year. We still have enough pay liverpools debt twice over but would struggle buying downing or carroll

You don't really understand what those numbers mean, don't you? You financial model is completely dependant on continuous presence in the Champions League ... Once you are out of it, you will be in huge trouble, with such a massive wage bill ...

[Ong_dynasty]

When you give massive contracts to players who don't deserve it, you are spending money recklessly ... Giving £150,000 per week to Ozil, £140,000 per week to Sanchez and £110,000 per week to Podolski is the Leeds financial model ...

Ill entertain you for one last time.

this is what our model leads to
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/283453.html
this was before puma deal mind you and the new t.v deal

this is what your model leads to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ounts.html
and this is without having signed players above 80k a week...lol

lets use basic math and use your numbers even though they are inflated.
With those 3 in our books that is around £20/mill a year. We still have enough pay liverpools debt twice over but would struggle buying downing or carroll

You don't really understand what those numbers mean, don't you? You financial model is completely dependant on continuous presence in the Champions League ... Once you are out of it, you will be in huge trouble, with such a massive wage bill ...

I actually do that is the problem with you..
please explain why that is the case?

[GMgoran]

Ill entertain you for one last time.

this is what our model leads to
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/283453.html
this was before puma deal mind you and the new t.v deal

this is what your model leads to
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... ounts.html
and this is without having signed players above 80k a week...lol

lets use basic math and use your numbers even though they are inflated.
With those 3 in our books that is around £20/mill a year. We still have enough pay liverpools debt twice over but would struggle buying downing or carroll

You don't really understand what those numbers mean, don't you? You financial model is completely dependant on continuous presence in the Champions League ... Once you are out of it, you will be in huge trouble, with such a massive wage bill ...

I actually do that is the problem with you..
please explain why that is the case?

The cash reserve of £120.6 million and the operating profits of £22.2 million last year were created mostly through real estate sales of the Highbury development ... Now that the real estate is sold, you must rely on regular revenues ...

[Ong_dynasty]

The cash reserve of £120.6 million and the operating profits of £22.2 million last year were created mostly through real estate sales of the Highbury development ... Now that the real estate is sold, you must rely on regular revenues ...

Wrong..
Unless ofcourse you to provide any actual sources for the sh*t that's coming out of your a$$..
The moment you actually want to provide some evidence..I'm here to listen..if not just go back to your Liverpool thread..

[b shaw20]

trolling, thats all this is.

Arsenal an overspending club? LOL.... its subjective so let it go.

No point in arguing this really, unless you want to troll the fanbase in their club thread.

Next topic, who is our next transfer target? Khadira is the buzz for $23m but not sure if this has any legs. How legit is Bender, would he be a solid option instead?

[GMgoran]

The cash reserve of £120.6 million and the operating profits of £22.2 million last year were created mostly through real estate sales of the Highbury development ... Now that the real estate is sold, you must rely on regular revenues ...

Wrong..
Unless ofcourse you to provide any actual sources for the sh*t that's coming out of your a$$..
The moment you actually want to provide some evidence..I'm here to listen..if not just go back to your Liverpool thread..

Since you are so clever, you will have no problem finding and reading Arsenal's Annual Financial Report ... Come back when you do that, and we will continue this discussion ...

[Ong_dynasty]

The cash reserve of £120.6 million and the operating profits of £22.2 million last year were created mostly through real estate sales of the Highbury development ... Now that the real estate is sold, you must rely on regular revenues ...

Wrong..
Unless ofcourse you to provide any actual sources for the sh*t that's coming out of your a$$..
The moment you actually want to provide some evidence..I'm here to listen..if not just go back to your Liverpool thread..

Since you are so clever, you will have no problem finding and reading Arsenal's Annual Financial Report ... Come back when you do that, and we will continue this discussion ...

I really am..and thanks for noticing..
I have no problem providing annual reports after all as you know we are a public company..
But I'm not the one making claims for a few weeks now with no substantial evidence..

[kdawg32086]

Next topic, who is our next transfer target? Khadira is the buzz for $23m but not sure if this has any legs. How legit is Bender, would he be a solid option instead?

At this point, there are tons of options available. Khedira, Bender, Schneiderlin, etc. Not sure if Khedira really is an option, as there were a lot of reports that Schneiderlin to Arsenal was a done deal before the WC. Although Aurier was supposed to be a done deal as well and it appears as though it'll be Debuchy instead.