Andrew Wiggins development thread (no trade discussion thx)

[OhioGuy216]

So, let's actually have a thread that talks about what you have seen so far, what you think you will see, and anything else related to Mr. Wiggins that is not discussing trade options.

So far here's what I have, and note this is just some observations:

Pro's:
Already a plus defender of 1-3's
Attacking the rim without the ball
Jump shot form but not production yet
Dat Vertical leap, oh snaps

Cons:
Handles leave a lot to be desired
Rebouding is gonna be a struggle year 1
Gets caught looking on defense a bit too much (this could be the whole rookie thing though)
sometimes coasts for no good reason
can't hit the broad side of a barn from 15+feet out yet


Year one projection (simple stats)

12.5 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg 1 bpg .42% shooting .70% ft 2.5 tpg
All rookie team
will NOT win rookie of the year




Anyway, feel free to share impressions guys, thanks!

[DaddyCool19]

If you guys also get Allen his playing time could be too low to get 12,5 points.
I think Miller and Allen will play 25-30 MPG combined. Then there is Waiters who would want his 30 MPG. There wouldn't be too many minutes left for Wiggins right?

[OhioGuy216]

If you guys also get Allen his playing time could be too low to get 12,5 points.
I think Miller and Allen will play 25-30 MPG combined. Then there is Waiters who would want his 30 MPG. There wouldn't be too many minutes left for Wiggins right?

I agree. If we sign Allen then Wiggins probably starts at about 15-20 minutes per game max. Good point.

I still think Waiters is out by the beginning of the season though, just call it a hunch.

[CavsKSU25]

If you guys also get Allen his playing time could be too low to get 12,5 points.
I think Miller and Allen will play 25-30 MPG combined. Then there is Waiters who would want his 30 MPG. There wouldn't be too many minutes left for Wiggins right?

Allen is likely going to retire.

[OsuCavsfan103]

I really hope Allen does come to Cleveland if only to help mentor/develop Wiggins. Is there a better person on this planet to learn how to shoot outside from than Allen?

LeBron and Allen teaching/mentoring Wiggins, how amazing is that?!?

Funny thing is, how often does a #1 pick get to start his career with a top 5 NBA team? That is pretty much unheard of!

[Melvinlocker]

People have always been so quick to try and mold hum into being this super playmaker type of guy like T-Mac, Kobe and the like, but I have always felt that was a lazy comparison.

I think Wiggins style of play can be compared to a cluster of players that weren't necessarily playmakers like the aforementioned, but were elite athletes who could score the ball and defend well. I am talking about David Thompson, Corey Maggette, Jason Richardson types of players. If he continues hone his craft, I could see him reaching the heights of those players while being a great lockdown defender.

A player like that next to LeBron could be deadly. Glad y'all have had such a great turn of events in your favor.

[OhioGuy216]

People have always been so quick to try and mold hum into being this super playmaker type of guy like T-Mac, Kobe and the like, but I have always felt that was a lazy comparison.

I think Wiggins style of play can be compared to a cluster of players that weren't necessarily playmakers like the aforementioned, but were elite athletes who could score the ball and defend well. I am talking about David Thompson, Corey Maggette, Jason Richardson types of players. If he continues hone his craft, I could see him reaching the heights of those players while being a great lockdown defender.

A player like that next to LeBron could be deadly. Glad y'all have had such a great turn of events in your favor.

Excellent reply. Another example would be Reggie Lewis of Boston Celtic's fame. RIP

[OsuCavsfan103]

Ohioguy, how you going to be called Ohio guy, root for Ohio teams like that, and then be a fan of scUM? lol

Can't be Ohio guy as a scUM fan

[OhioGuy216]

Ohioguy, how you going to be called Ohio guy, root for Ohio teams like that, and then be a fan of scUM? lol

Can't be Ohio guy as a scUM fan

I played for Michigan. Grants me a reprieve

[OhioGuy216]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQTFpXgEVw0

Reggie Lewis for those too young to remember him. This is Wiggin's ceiling in my opinion (fingers crossed)

[mup]

I really hope Allen does come to Cleveland if only to help mentor/develop Wiggins. Is there a better person on this planet to learn how to shoot outside from than Allen?

LeBron and Allen teaching/mentoring Wiggins, how amazing is that?!?

Funny thing is, how often does a #1 pick get to start his career with a top 5 NBA team? That is pretty much unheard of!

James Worthy. I'd say that worked out well for him.


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[Cycklops]

I'd say his future is bright. One of the best situations for a young talent to be in is a 6th man or contributing role for a contending team.


...unless you're Darko.

[soxfan2003]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQTFpXgEVw0

Reggie Lewis for those too young to remember him. This is Wiggin's ceiling in my opinion (fingers crossed)

I'm a Celtic fan who has even met/talked to Reggie Lewis and I see Wiggins ceiling significantly higher than Reggie Lewis. But some aspects of their game are similar and I've previously thought about the comparison myself.

Reggie Lewis could defend...he once blocked Jordan I believe 3 times in a game but Wiggins has much more ability/potential on that end of the court from what I've seen. I would never have wanted Lewis guarding PGs and I don't think his lateral quickness was nearly as good as Wiggins.

Wiggins is also the quicker/faster/more explosive athlete. Lewis could jump very quickly but Wiggins can jump quickly and get up even higher. And Wiggins I believe will develop the 3 point shot which is probably more important than the advantage that Lewis will probably always have in the midrange. Lewis despite his skinny size proved he could take the pounding of the NBA.

The thing they have in common is neither players dribbling ability will ever be a true strength but their athleticism/length will allow them to score. I do think Wiggins will be a better ball handler than Lewis but still not a top notch ball handler for a SG or SF.

I see Wiggins with the potential to be Reggie Lewis 3.0 or at least 2.5 which is basically a top 4-10 NBA player in his prime. Like Lewis, it will take Wiggins a few years to harness his scoring ability.

Wiggins will have to work at it and if his perimeter shooting doesn't improve much, chance are he just ends up a lower tier all-star when he physically matures.

Wiggins is a unique player and that is why he has his advocates like me and some people who think Parker was the better selection.

If you don't believe Wiggins will be an impact player on the defensive end, its easier to predict failure but everything I've seen at Kansas has led me to believe he will be an impact defender. I guess the one concern on that end is how will he rebound which becomes more important at SF than SG.

Just like Pippen was the perfect compliment to Jordan, I see Wiggins with the serious potential to be the perfect compliment to Lebron. Wiggins I see with less defensive ability than Pippen -- although I still think Wiggins will be an excellent defender -- and less ball handling ability than Pippen but with significantly more shooting ability than Pippen.

[OhioGuy216]

Nice informative post, thank you!

I see the similarity between them as follows

Defense: Both could lock up 2's and 3's with no issue and could even guard a 4 in a pinch

Scoring in transition: Both seem to like being on the run and prefer that to playing off sets.

Size; Both are tall and lean: Wiggins 6'8 205 Lewis 6'7 195

Comparing the two out of school I'd give Lewis the advantage in basketball IQ, aggressiveness, passing, shooting ability, and handling (not by much)....but of course he was in his 20's

I'd say Wiggins has the advantage in athletic ability, speed, defensive prowess, and possibly rebounding although that is able to be debated.

But hey, if Wiggins becomes a 20 5 5 guy I'd be very happy.

Also, I DOMINATED in Lakers versus Celtics on the Sega Genesis with Reggie Lewis, so he wins

Thanks again for the post.

[OsuCavsfan103]

Ohioguy, how you going to be called Ohio guy, root for Ohio teams like that, and then be a fan of scUM? lol

Can't be Ohio guy as a scUM fan

I played for Michigan. Grants me a reprieve

No it doesn't, you chose to play at scUM, that may be worse!

[OhioGuy216]

Ohioguy, how you going to be called Ohio guy, root for Ohio teams like that, and then be a fan of scUM? lol

Can't be Ohio guy as a scUM fan

I played for Michigan. Grants me a reprieve

No it doesn't, you chose to play at scUM, that may be worse!

Let's go over this lol,

Did Michigan offer me a scholarship? Y

Did Ohio State offer me a scholarship? N

So.....

[Kidds BAC]

Michigan is a better school anyways, good for you

[soxfan2003]

Nice informative post, thank you!

I see the similarity between them as follows

Defense: Both could lock up 2's and 3's with no issue and could even guard a 4 in a pinch

Scoring in transition: Both seem to like being on the run and prefer that to playing off sets.

Size; Both are tall and lean: Wiggins 6'8 205 Lewis 6'7 195

Comparing the two out of school I'd give Lewis the advantage in basketball IQ, aggressiveness, passing, shooting ability, and handling (not by much)....but of course he was in his 20's

I'd say Wiggins has the advantage in athletic ability, speed, defensive prowess, and possibly rebounding although that is able to be debated.

But hey, if Wiggins becomes a 20 5 5 guy I'd be very happy.

Also, I DOMINATED in Lakers versus Celtics on the Sega Genesis with Reggie Lewis, so he wins

Thanks again for the post.

Thanks. I agree with your comments on both Lewis and Wiggins coming out of college. Wiggins I do think will get better with his passing since even though he will never be great in that category he can at least see the floor pretty well with his height when the ball is just being passed around the perimeter. His passing problems were mostly the result of driving to score and then passing at the last second when he realized the defense had the upper hand. I think he will be eventually be good in the passing department even if he doesn't get tons of assists. Some good coaching, the game slowing down for him and just experience should help him in those situations.

Lewis probably learned to be aggressive since he was on a less talented Northeastern team that needed every point he could score.

Anytime the Lakers lose, I'm happy.

I think Cavs fans will be very happy with what Wiggins provides as long as they give him that year to get adjusted and just him just as much on the defensive end as on the offensive end. Besides the obvious of Lebron staying healthy, I think whether the team wins a championship will mostly be decided by the non Lebron/Wiggins interior defense.

I haven't watched the Cavs enough to know who but half way through the season I'd consider trading one of the Cavs non Wiggins young players and perhaps a pick for low cost front-court help on the defensive end. Varajao can help on defensive but he shouldn't be expected to carry a huge load.

[Wvkk0000]

Has anyone else noticed his inability to finish at the rim? I've watched all his summer league games and college games. Every time I see him attack and there's the slightest bit of contact he always tries to do a finger roll or layup and it almost always rims out. With his standing reach of 8'10.5 and 44" vertical, shouldn't he be able to just dunk it with ease? When he was in college his high school coach and reporters called him out on it saying he always tries to avoid contact instead of finishing through it. Wiggins said he didn't realize he was doing that. He started finishing at the rim better towards the end of the season at kansas. But it seems like he's going back to his old habits. I've noticed he also gathers and takes off from too far out. Any thoughts?

[maoriboy]

Is there any sign out there that LeBron has taken Wiggins under his wing?

I want Wiggins to be that annoying little brother that wants to go training with his big bro and KD and gets his eyes opened to how better they are and how to work for it.