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Trade Ideas - Part 2

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1741 » by Temuhjan » Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:41 am

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guest81 wrote:They will also have miller at about 2.5. Plus they have a couple 1st round picks next year that will count as cap holds

Even wit that 2.5, they can still drop bennet and have more than enough. And trade their 1st round picks for future 1st round picks.

Well.. if Miller is signing for 2.5 instead of 2.7, that means our cap is formally filled this summer. All that's left are the $2.7m cap room exception which we can use to sign a rim protector such as Emeka Okafor or Kevin Seraphin and veteran's minimum which we can use to sign Mo Williams or Jameer Nelson. Perfect!
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1742 » by kbrow20 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:35 am

kbrow20 wrote:Would you consider doing a either Felix or Della for James and Mekel?

Or will you need a 2nd rounder?
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1743 » by DarkoNeedsAfro » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:40 am

mup wrote:
DarkoNeedsAfro wrote:
mup wrote:Awful


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So we'd be left with our big 3 and a bunch of vet minimums for the next 6-7 years--- in other words, the same team Lebron just fled in Miami.

Like I said, awful.



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Yeah, you'd hate to build a team like the one that went to 4 straight finals and won 2 of them. What an awful model that would be. Its better to get down on your knees and pray each night that all these young players suddenly mature in time to support the best player of this generation! And then in 10 years you can look back and see how these young guys finally grew to be what you hoped they would become...with not a ring to show for it.

Obviously you wouldn't want to trade away everyone, but losing Wiggins and Bennett is certainly acceptable.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1744 » by CavsKSU25 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:41 am

Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
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Cavs G/F Andrew Wiggins has not been made available to Wolves or anyone, multiple league sources tell @CSNNW. They're not budging right now.

even more confirmation Wiggins isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1745 » by antistrat » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:48 am

CavsKSU25 wrote:Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
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Cavs G/F Andrew Wiggins has not been made available to Wolves or anyone, multiple league sources tell @CSNNW. They're not budging right now.

even more confirmation Wiggins isn't going anywhere anytime soon.


I wouldn't call anything on twitter, "confirmation."
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1746 » by CavsKSU25 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:50 am

antistrat wrote:
CavsKSU25 wrote:Chris Haynes ✔ @ChrisBHaynes
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Cavs G/F Andrew Wiggins has not been made available to Wolves or anyone, multiple league sources tell @CSNNW. They're not budging right now.

even more confirmation Wiggins isn't going anywhere anytime soon.


I wouldn't call anything on twitter, "confirmation."


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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1747 » by antistrat » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:53 am

DarkoNeedsAfro wrote:
Yeah, you'd hate to build a team like the one that went to 4 straight finals and won 2 of them. What an awful model that would be. Its better to get down on your knees and pray each night that all these young players suddenly mature in time to support the best player of this generation!


Spot on.

When did Cavs fans get so finicky? The Cavs have never won anything and now people in here are talking about Miami's run not being good enough for Cleveland? 4 years is not long enough? I guess they want a decade. Sheesh. That's a lot of pressure to put on these players.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1748 » by CavsKSU25 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:08 am

antistrat wrote:
DarkoNeedsAfro wrote:
Yeah, you'd hate to build a team like the one that went to 4 straight finals and won 2 of them. What an awful model that would be. Its better to get down on your knees and pray each night that all these young players suddenly mature in time to support the best player of this generation!


Spot on.

When did Cavs fans get so finicky? The Cavs have never won anything and now people in here are talking about Miami's run not being good enough for Cleveland? 4 years is not long enough? I guess they want a decade. Sheesh. That's a lot of pressure to put on these players.


your damn right 4 years isn't long enough, this isn't the worse fan base in sports we are talking here (miami) who wouldn't want to see a good team long and short term? How is it putting alot of pressure by not expecting them to win this year? Let not forget Miami was closer to winning 1 title then they were to winning 3.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1749 » by MaxMN » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:29 am

I don't mean to be posting a link to another forum, but it doesn't allow me to post pictures here yet.

http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082

Anyway, that is the truth about "Tspence26" and all the other Twitter "Insiders"

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1750 » by BossHoggin » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:06 am

MaxMN wrote:I don't mean to be posting a link to another forum, but it doesn't allow me to post pictures here yet.

http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082

Anyway, that is the truth about "Tspence26" and all the other Twitter "Insiders"

(If this is against the rules, please just delete this post instead of banning me)
You are the man. Seriously that's the best thing I've ever seen on here.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1751 » by CavsKSU25 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:09 am

Gotta love some trolls reasoning, Lebron+Love=Contenders for 5- 7 years. Lebron+Wiggins=Wont contend for 5+ years and by then Lebron will be well past his prime. somehow Kevin Love and his no defense is going to effect Lebrons gifted skills and athletic abillities.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1752 » by antistrat » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:51 am

CavsKSU25 wrote:your damn right 4 years isn't long enough, this isn't the worse fan base in sports we are talking here (miami) who wouldn't want to see a good team long and short term? How is it putting alot of pressure by not expecting them to win this year? Let not forget Miami was closer to winning 1 title then they were to winning 3.


Say what you want about Miami, but they've won three titles since 2006 and the Cavs have won zero titles in its entire 44 year history, so let's not forget that either.

And who goes to the Finals 4 straight times and wins two titles back-to-back in the process? Only the 60's Celtics and the 10's Heat have done that, and that's not good enough for Cleveland? I find that very hard to believe.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1753 » by TheKingofSting » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:10 am

Minny is trying to drive the price up and sitting back laughing, I hope they end up getting nothing of value for Love.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1754 » by CavsKSU25 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:45 pm

antistrat wrote:
CavsKSU25 wrote:your damn right 4 years isn't long enough, this isn't the worse fan base in sports we are talking here (miami) who wouldn't want to see a good team long and short term? How is it putting alot of pressure by not expecting them to win this year? Let not forget Miami was closer to winning 1 title then they were to winning 3.


Say what you want about Miami, but they've won three titles since 2006 and the Cavs have won zero titles in its entire 44 year history, so let's not forget that either.

And who goes to the Finals 4 straight times and wins two titles back-to-back in the process? Only the 60's Celtics and the 10's Heat have done that, and that's not good enough for Cleveland? I find that very hard to believe.


That has literally nothing to do with the fan base
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Post#1755 » by BossHoggin » Sat Jul 19, 2014 4:38 pm

antistrat wrote:
CavsKSU25 wrote:your damn right 4 years isn't long enough, this isn't the worse fan base in sports we are talking here (miami) who wouldn't want to see a good team long and short term? How is it putting alot of pressure by not expecting them to win this year? Let not forget Miami was closer to winning 1 title then they were to winning 3.


Say what you want about Miami, but they've won three titles since 2006 and the Cavs have won zero titles in its entire 44 year history, so let's not forget that either.

And who goes to the Finals 4 straight times and wins two titles back-to-back in the process? Only the 60's Celtics and the 10's Heat have done that, and that's not good enough for Cleveland? I find that very hard to believe.
If their fan base is so good, why are you a Cavs fan now?
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1756 » by guest81 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:23 pm

maybe you trade Wiggins and in 5 years after the Cavs have won a couple titles and been to the finals every year, Wiggins a top 10 player will want out of Minny and join back with Cle
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1757 » by antistrat » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:26 pm

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antistrat wrote:
CavsKSU25 wrote:your damn right 4 years isn't long enough, this isn't the worse fan base in sports we are talking here (miami) who wouldn't want to see a good team long and short term? How is it putting alot of pressure by not expecting them to win this year? Let not forget Miami was closer to winning 1 title then they were to winning 3.


Say what you want about Miami, but they've won three titles since 2006 and the Cavs have won zero titles in its entire 44 year history, so let's not forget that either.

And who goes to the Finals 4 straight times and wins two titles back-to-back in the process? Only the 60's Celtics and the 10's Heat have done that, and that's not good enough for Cleveland? I find that very hard to believe.
If their fan base is so good, why are you a Cavs fan now?


I didn't say anything about their fan base. I'm just saying that it's kind of odd for a Cavs fan to criticize any of the successes of the Heat franchise i.e. whether they were closer to winning 1 than winning 3 is irrelevant because they won.

So while some Cavs fans may want to gamble on some sort of 10 year plan (as if it's easy to organize that), what the Miami Heat did as far as build around a Big 3 is proven. It really does work. If the Cavs get Love they will probably win a title within the next two years.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1758 » by CavsKSU25 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:30 pm

antistrat wrote:
BossHoggin wrote:
antistrat wrote:
Say what you want about Miami, but they've won three titles since 2006 and the Cavs have won zero titles in its entire 44 year history, so let's not forget that either.

And who goes to the Finals 4 straight times and wins two titles back-to-back in the process? Only the 60's Celtics and the 10's Heat have done that, and that's not good enough for Cleveland? I find that very hard to believe.
If their fan base is so good, why are you a Cavs fan now?


I didn't say anything about their fan base. I'm just saying that it's kind of odd for a Cavs fan to criticize any of the successes of the Heat franchise i.e. whether they were closer to winning 1 than winning 3 is irrelevant because they won.

So while some Cavs fans may want to gamble on some sort of 10 year plan (as if it's easy to organize that), what the Miami Heat did as far as build around a Big 3 is proven. It really does work. If the Cavs get Love they will probably win a title within the next two years.



So your post had literally nothing to do with the discussion. got it. how does it work? the big 3 got spanked vs talented teams on the big stage and were closer to winning 1 title then 3. you forgt this past finals was the worse beatdown in NBA history.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1759 » by antistrat » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:36 pm

CavsKSU25 wrote:
antistrat wrote:
CavsKSU25 wrote:your damn right 4 years isn't long enough, this isn't the worse fan base in sports we are talking here (miami) who wouldn't want to see a good team long and short term? How is it putting alot of pressure by not expecting them to win this year? Let not forget Miami was closer to winning 1 title then they were to winning 3.


Say what you want about Miami, but they've won three titles since 2006 and the Cavs have won zero titles in its entire 44 year history, so let's not forget that either.

And who goes to the Finals 4 straight times and wins two titles back-to-back in the process? Only the 60's Celtics and the 10's Heat have done that, and that's not good enough for Cleveland? I find that very hard to believe.


That has literally nothing to do with the fan base


It has to do with your demands as a fan coming from a struggling franchise. LeBron said his goal was to win at least one ring for Cleveland - knowing that 1 in Cleveland would be worth more to him and Northeast Ohio than 2 or 3 in another city. And that's an honorable goal, but you're basically saying that one isn't good enough.

Winning multiple titles is not easy to plan or do. You have to strike while the iron is hot or you may not win at all. It's like what Kobe Bryant said recently about LeBron and ring expectations:

...for NBA players it becomes about 'how many [championships] you get, which sounds absolutely ridiculous. You’re really lucky and fortunate to win one, but now it’s become so jaded, it’s like, "OK you only won one, you only won two, you should win five or six," which is absolutely ridiculous.'
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#1760 » by CavsKSU25 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:39 pm

antistrat wrote:
CavsKSU25 wrote:
antistrat wrote:
Say what you want about Miami, but they've won three titles since 2006 and the Cavs have won zero titles in its entire 44 year history, so let's not forget that either.

And who goes to the Finals 4 straight times and wins two titles back-to-back in the process? Only the 60's Celtics and the 10's Heat have done that, and that's not good enough for Cleveland? I find that very hard to believe.


That has literally nothing to do with the fan base


It has to do with your demands as a fan coming from a struggling franchise. LeBron said his goal was to win at least one ring for Cleveland - knowing that 1 in Cleveland would be worth more to him and Northeast Ohio than 2 or 3 in another city. And that's an honorable goal, but you're basically saying that one isn't good enough.

Winning multiple titles is not easy to plan or do. You have to strike while the iron is hot or you may not win at all. It's like what Kobe Bryant said recently about LeBron and ring expectations:

...for NBA players it becomes about 'how many [championships] you get, which sounds absolutely ridiculous. You’re really lucky and fortunate to win one, but now it’s become so jaded, it’s like, "OK you only won one, you only won two, you should win five or six," which is absolutely ridiculous.'


No it doesn't have anything to do with us, we are in an excellent position either way, keeping Wiggins or moving him.

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