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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#401 » by giberish » Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:33 pm

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and1GS wrote:For all you Morey cock-riders:

The Rockets could have picked up their team option on Parsons at under $1 million, but they declined it in order for him to become a restricted free agent this offseason instead of an unrestricted free agent in 2015.


They could have kept him for $1 mill if they picked up his TO...FFS come on that's AWFUL GMing.


Parsons said it was because Morey wanted to allow Parsons to go ahead and get paid, which is why the Rockets opted out.

Not directed at you, but I think it's hillarious how many people are critisizing Morey for not matching Parsons, instead of lamenting at what a complete bumbling idiot Cuban is for giving a 25 year old best-case 3rd option a mini-max deal.


Really the most plausible explanation I've heard is that it was a 'favor ' to Parson's agent - who's also Howard's agent.


By itself it's just a mistake. At best, a failed attempt to use his RFA status as a bluff to keep his next deal smaller.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#403 » by Quazza » Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:32 am

"Anthony Tolliver Reaches Two-Year, $6M Deal With Suns"

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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#404 » by Coxy » Thu Jul 17, 2014 12:52 am

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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#405 » by whocurrz » Thu Jul 17, 2014 1:49 am

giberish wrote:
Jester_ wrote:
and1GS wrote:For all you Morey cock-riders:



They could have kept him for $1 mill if they picked up his TO...FFS come on that's AWFUL GMing.


Parsons said it was because Morey wanted to allow Parsons to go ahead and get paid, which is why the Rockets opted out.

Not directed at you, but I think it's hillarious how many people are critisizing Morey for not matching Parsons, instead of lamenting at what a complete bumbling idiot Cuban is for giving a 25 year old best-case 3rd option a mini-max deal.


Really the most plausible explanation I've heard is that it was a 'favor ' to Parson's agent - who's also Howard's agent.


By itself it's just a mistake. At best, a failed attempt to use his RFA status as a bluff to keep his next deal smaller.


It was not to get him paid they did it because they would have the option to match any offer while also hopefully getting another FA rather than lose him for nothing next year when they had that new FA they intended to sign filling up the rest of their cap. Morey never knew a guy like Cuban would basically sign him to a contract to spite him. People saying Morey did it to get him paid are just Morey apologists.

I think Morey made the correct decision to not match him and Ariza plus going after role players could have potentially been better than Parsons but Morey's faults (hiring and holding into McHale) and his obsession with a third star rather than a coach who can get his first two superstars to buy into winning team basketball and good supporting role players are what is his downfall. He still believes this big three equals a championship and there is an infallible formula to it shows he is out of touch with some basketball beyond the stats. Celtics big three worked because all three of them brought unique skills to the team and were over themselves and their own self promotion. Heat's worked because one of those big 3 was the best player in the NBA by a pretty wide margin. He was about to pay Bosh 80+ million to be a lesser version of Miami Bosh while wasting a year of Howard and Bosh's prime on a crap coach. Morey is innovative but seems stubborn to adapting his plans from HIS model for a team that should win a championship in a vacuum. He's already leaking to the media about getting Rondo (a terrible fit with Harden and not a great fit with Howard) or Love (a guy who will get paid 20 million to be a stretch 4 and have his best skill -rebounding- somewhat neutralized by playing with another one of the leagues best rebounders in Howard). Never mind the Rockets biggest weaknesses being defense (which is something Bosh would have helped actually to his credit) and coaching.
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Post#406 » by Frank Mulely » Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:51 am

I think people are overanalyzing Morey's faults here. Bottom line they had a good look at Parsons and clearly didn't see him as a #3 guy on a title team. They could have played it different but there were guys available that they really wanted. Houston still has a way better FO than a lot of teams. Even if McHale is a joke of a coach (how he got a coaching job after his epically bad stint as twolves GM, I'll never know).
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Post#407 » by migya » Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:50 am

You can look at it that since the salary cap is set to go up to around 80 million or so in a year, Parsons at that amount is not awful, just pretty bad. Cuban got noone else so he had to get an asset, for now or later, otherwise it'd be another offseason without adding anything significant. Houston has alot of money left yet no big free agents to go after. Wonder if they'll give Bledsoe what he is asking for to add a good player to their team. That could probably be the best move for them.
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Post#408 » by Jester_ » Sat Jul 19, 2014 3:31 pm

migya wrote:You can look at it that since the salary cap is set to go up to around 80 million or so in a year, Parsons at that amount is not awful, just pretty bad. Cuban got noone else so he had to get an asset, for now or later, otherwise it'd be another offseason without adding anything significant. Houston has alot of money left yet no big free agents to go after. Wonder if they'll give Bledsoe what he is asking for to add a good player to their team. That could probably be the best move for them.


I'd rather just roll with PBev and hold their current core in time for KLove next year or Durant the year after that. Beverley's advanced numbers are through the roof anyway.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#409 » by turk3d » Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:48 pm

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Post#410 » by turk3d » Sun Jul 20, 2014 7:15 pm

Donte Green gets into fight with NFL player outside a Miami nightclub:

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Post#411 » by Mylie10 » Sun Jul 20, 2014 8:58 pm

Dwight Howard saying losing Parsons won't matter a bit.....what a douche bag.....so glad we don't have that fool.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#412 » by Quazza » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:14 pm

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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#413 » by Left*My*Heart » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:33 pm

migya wrote:You can look at it that since the salary cap is set to go up to around 80 million or so in a year, Parsons at that amount is not awful, just pretty bad. Cuban got noone else so he had to get an asset, for now or later, otherwise it'd be another offseason without adding anything significant. Houston has alot of money left yet no big free agents to go after. Wonder if they'll give Bledsoe what he is asking for to add a good player to their team. That could probably be the best move for them.

The Mavs think Parsons is very special and he was a target from the start. Don't know what you mean by no one else? They didn't think their chances were very high in getting Melo and like everyone else, they let Gasol, LeBron, Bosh and even Wade know they were interested. Trading for Chandler and signing Parsons, is greater than what the Warriors have done so far.

I think Parsons was overpaid slightly, but Houston would have matched had Cuban not put in trade kicker and front loaded the deal like they did. He put in Parsons' contract exactly what Morey despises.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#414 » by turk3d » Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:52 pm

Kudos for Cuban. So he spent a little more money than perhaps Parsons was worth. But sometimes that's what it takes to stick it to your competitor which is what Cuban did. That was a big blow to the Houston franchise in spite of what Howard might have you believe.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#415 » by turk3d » Mon Jul 21, 2014 3:45 pm

Vesely apparently leaving Denver and going to Europe:

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Post#416 » by statsman » Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:36 pm

turk3d wrote:Kudos for Cuban. So he spent a little more money than perhaps Parsons was worth. But sometimes that's what it takes to stick it to your competitor which is what Cuban did. That was a big blow to the Houston franchise in spite of what Howard might have you believe.

And in the process the Mavs have set a precedent where RFA offer sheets likely to be maxed will also include trade kickers and player option years to discourage teams from matching the offer sheets. Next up: Klay
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#417 » by turk3d » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:19 pm

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turk3d wrote:Kudos for Cuban. So he spent a little more money than perhaps Parsons was worth. But sometimes that's what it takes to stick it to your competitor which is what Cuban did. That was a big blow to the Houston franchise in spite of what Howard might have you believe.

And in the process the Mavs have set a precedent where RFA offer sheets likely to be maxed will also include trade kickers and player option years to discourage teams from matching the offer sheets. Next up: Klay

Probably worth it to see Morey and Houston get theirs. Teams (GMs) will always have the option of trading/letting go for cap space rather than try and use trickery to get two superstars instead of one and wind up with none, losing Parsons (a really good young guy with a promising future) and gettng Ariza. lol.

Teams just need to make intelligent decisions and GMs need to learn not to follow the dumb GMs and instead the smart ones. Fortunately, we'll have about a year to decide on Klay if we keep him so I'm really not too worried about it. I have complete confidence that our FO will make the right decision when the time comes (whether to pay him, trade him, let him walk or negotiate a hometown deal).
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#418 » by Jester_ » Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:12 pm

turk3d wrote:Kudos for Cuban. So he spent a little more money than perhaps Parsons was worth. But sometimes that's what it takes to stick it to your competitor which is what Cuban did. That was a big blow to the Houston franchise in spite of what Howard might have you believe.


An average third option was a "big blow" to a franchise that can probably get a 3rd superstar next year? Yeah, I'm sure Morey lost a lot of sleep. Cuban is an idiot who just wasted a max on Chandler Parsons. You want to "stick it" to someone? Build a good team and beat them instead of wasting 15 million on Chandler Parsons.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#419 » by turk3d » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:00 pm

Jester_ wrote:
turk3d wrote:Kudos for Cuban. So he spent a little more money than perhaps Parsons was worth. But sometimes that's what it takes to stick it to your competitor which is what Cuban did. That was a big blow to the Houston franchise in spite of what Howard might have you believe.


An average third option was a "big blow" to a franchise that can probably get a 3rd superstar next year? Yeah, I'm sure Morey lost a lot of sleep. Cuban is an idiot who just wasted a max on Chandler Parsons. You want to "stick it" to someone? Build a good team and beat them instead of wasting 15 million on Chandler Parsons.

Watch Dallas overtake Houston next year as we likely will as well. Parsons did not have to be lost by Houston. That was a tactical error on Morey's part and what makes it worse, he goes to a competitor.
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Re: Around the NBA III 

Post#420 » by floppymoose » Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:11 pm

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