The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

YouTube · Post #81 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:31 am

Scubetrolis wrote:omg...just found out how to upload my own pics to this site.. this forum just got a lot better for everyone involved.

carey · Post #82 » by **carey** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:44 am

NaturalBuns wrote:
2018?

Yeah, it takes roughly 5 years or year 1 of contract 2 for a big man to truly blossom. Especially if they are young like Alex was coming in.

YouTube · Post #83 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 4:51 am

Bigs always take a lot longer to develop than smalls. The Guard game is usually transferable from college to the NBA. its the same skillset. With Bigs, they might have been conditioned as the tallest and girthiest guy on the court, but when they come into the league, they are going up against guys the same size as them, but with more advanced techniques and skills. The stuff they used to do in college that allowed them to dominate and out muscle guys wont work in the NBA.

All Bigs take long. Look at how long it took Bynum and Hibbert. Fropez has just found his way last season. It takes time, so you have to be patient.

bigfoot · Post #84 » by **bigfoot** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:18 am

Kerrsed wrote:Bigs always take a lot longer to develop than smalls. The Guard game is usually transferable from college to the NBA. its the same skillset. With Bigs, they might have been conditioned as the tallest and girthiest guy on the court, but when they come into the league, they are going up against guys the same size as them, but with more advanced techniques and skills. The stuff they used to do in college that allowed them to dominate and out muscle guys wont work in the NBA.

All Bigs take long. Look at how long it took Bynum and Hibbert. Fropez has just found his way last season. It takes time, so you have to be patient.

Yeah because it took Duncan and Griffin and Shaq and Garnett and Love that long to develop their big man skills. Come on now each player is different. RoLo showed it in his second year until he got hurt. Len could break out this year or next ... if it wasn't until 2019 he would be a labelled a bust.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #85 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:20 am

Suns selfies are definitely better than the silly bickering that's been going on

Bigs do take time. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. They foul a lot and are a step slow to react. Defense is mental and it takes time to understand what crafty vets are doing to them and what the refs will let them get away with. Its about repetition and naturally reacting instead of thinking. It wouldn't surprise me to see len plumlee and even markieff play better defensively this season.

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Post #86 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:29 am

bigfoot wrote:Yeah because it took Duncan and Griffin and Shaq and Garnett and Love that long to develop their big man skills. Come on now each player is different. RoLo showed it in his second year until he got hurt. Len could break out this year or next ... if it wasn't until 2019 he would be a labelled a bust.

Big men in general takes longer to develop. Also those big men you've listed are once in a decade big men (TD/Shaq/KG are anyway), they are the exception.

Puff · Post #87 » by **Puff** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:29 am

carey wrote:
NaturalBuns wrote:
2018?
:noway:

Yeah, it takes roughly 5 years or year 1 of contract 2 for a big man to truly blossom. Especially if they are young like Alex was coming in.

I just want to see him have a pulse this season. Mistakes are part of the process. Not being aggressive is not a good thing. I would rather see him foul out banging for rebounds than being a polite bystander.

Moochthemonkey · Post #88 » by **Moochthemonkey** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:40 am

Scubetrolis wrote:I just tried to look up Jahii Carsons stats for Summer League but couldn't find them.. anyone have any good sites, or just posting them would work.

just look up his name on realgm itself...in addition to NBA regular season and college stats, all summer league, international, and preseason stats are posted from 2010/11 season onwards I believe.

Revived · Post #89 » by **Revived** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:40 am

Zero Tolerance wrote:Johnson is a nice spark off the bench but thats about it. Think Nate Robinson.

So like Isaiah Thomas?

Revived · Post #90 » by **Revived** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:43 am

tgtm_24 wrote:I'm thinking if I have another child, I'll name him or her "Stretch 4".

I'd like to see the mother of the child approve that name.

tgtm_24 · Post #91 » by **tgtm_24** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 5:59 am

SF88 wrote:
tgtm_24 wrote:I'm thinking if I have another child, I'll name him or her "Stretch 4".

I'd like to see the mother of the child approve that name.

Surely better than Tweener?

YouTube · Post #92 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:08 am

bigfoot wrote:
Kerrsed wrote:Bigs always take a lot longer to develop than smalls. The Guard game is usually transferable from college to the NBA. its the same skillset. With Bigs, they might have been conditioned as the tallest and girthiest guy on the court, but when they come into the league, they are going up against guys the same size as them, but with more advanced techniques and skills. The stuff they used to do in college that allowed them to dominate and out muscle guys wont work in the NBA.

All Bigs take long. Look at how long it took Bynum and Hibbert. Fropez has just found his way last season. It takes time, so you have to be patient.

Yeah because it took Duncan and Griffin and Shaq and Garnett and Love that long to develop their big man skills. Come on now each player is different. RoLo showed it in his second year until he got hurt. Len could break out this year or next ... if it wasn't until 2019 he would be a labelled a bust.

It took Love a good 2-3 years. Griffin was getting clowned on that all he could do is rebound and dunk, but now he has added defense and a decent jumper to his game. It also took Garnett quite a few years to develop into the player that he became. Duncan/Shaq are just a whole 'nother level from a whole different era.

TheLoon · Post #93 » by **TheLoon** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:34 am

Kerrsed wrote:Continued from: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1335460&start=1986

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this was awful...don't post another video again unless it's this same girl and the address is some version of "tube" that doesn't begin with "you" christ sake!

TheLoon · Post #94 » by **TheLoon** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:38 am

Kerrsed wrote:
Scubetrolis wrote:omg...just found out how to upload my own pics to this site.. this forum just got a lot better for everyone involved.

honestly bro how long till we see you on TMZ being arrested for stalking Ariana Grande? You have a problem

YouTube · Post #95 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:44 am

TheLoon wrote:honestly bro how long till we see you on TMZ being arrested for stalking Ariana Grande? You have a problem

Its not a problem........until they catch me!

But until then........

DirtyDez · Post #96 » by **DirtyDez** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:22 am

Bynum and KG were drafted at 17 years old...

It might take him 4-5 years to be a great player but if he's not consistently making a positive impact within two years it spells trouble. First step is getting on the court for a significant period of time. It would be a bonus for Len to be a Lopez-caliber player next year.

thamadkant · Post #97 » by **thamadkant** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 7:40 am

Tim Duncan spent 4 years in college, you can see his development every year.
Duncan was polished by his 3rd year and perfected his fundamentals by his 4th.

QuickLikeTheo · Post #98 » by **QuickLikeTheo** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:00 am

Kerrsed wrote:
TheLoon wrote:honestly bro how long till we see you on TMZ being arrested for stalking Ariana Grande? You have a problem

Its not a problem........until they catch me!

But until then........

god I love Ariana grande

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tgtm_24 · Post #99 » by **tgtm_24** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:16 am

1UPZ wrote:Tim Duncan spent 4 years in college, you can see his development every year.
Duncan was polished by his 3rd year and perfected his fundamentals by his 4th.

Also had The Admiral to help him. Mentors are very important.

Saberestar · Post #100 » by **Saberestar** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:41 am

Bledsoe's camp was hoping that another team would come forward with a maximum offer, like Charlotte did for Gordon Hayward at four years and $63 million with Utah matching, or that the Suns would use their ability to offer a five-year deal that could be worth more than $80 million.

Philadelphia looks to be the only team that could offer a maximum-level deal and that seems unlikely after this much time, especially with Rookie of the Year Michael Carter-Williams as their point guard and the franchise apparently not being in a win-now mode with a young roster. Milwaukee considered being a suitor but has not been involved on him for a few days and has used chunks of cap space, adding Phoenician combo guard Jerryd Bayless and former Suns point guard Kendall Marshall to a point guard tandem of Brandon Knight and Nate Wolters.

It might require a sign-and-trade for Bledsoe to go elsewhere but the Suns' intent is to bring him back. Bledsoe has a $3.7 million qualifying offer that he could choose to play for next season and then become an unrestricted free agent next summer.
The process has been complicated by rumored sign-and-trade talks that the Suns say are untrue. Some of it may be one-way interest from other teams. Some of the rumors are not even allowed under CBA rules.

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