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Why didnt we go Lin for DWill?

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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#41 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:10 pm

slicedbread2 wrote:The reasoning is simple: Why would you trade for D-Will?

I get that Lin can be somewhat overrated, but at least the dude tries and shows up unlike D-Will who looks like he floats through games. Plus Lin's an expiring and that's huge.

You'd have to find a GM dumber than Billy King and sadly he re-signed(Dumars).

Personally, nobody will touch Deron Williams at this point until he proves that he can be efficient in some form. My only idea regarding him would be to try and dump him the second teams show interest and I'd try and go for shorter deals if possible and cut your losses.


I would take Lin right now and would be ecstatic. At least you know you will get all out effort.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#42 » by Kendallgill » Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:48 am

It'll be interesting to see how Deron Williams responds this season, and if he shows his true self: Will he have patience with Bogdanovic, Karasev, Brown, C. Jefferson? Will he help set them up? Or will he be looking for his shot the whole time?

Deron is really our last trade asset.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#43 » by kamaze » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:51 am

Deron's one of the worst contracts max $$ for a above average point guard when he brings effort.
If the team was smart they would have moved him last season for Lin & Asik that would've cleared up money to keep Livingston. And gave them a good center.

Instead they're stuck with Deron and will let Blatche walk...
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#44 » by Paradise » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:04 am

kamaze wrote:Deron's one of the worst contracts max $$ for a above average point guard when he brings effort.
If the team was smart they would have moved him last season for Lin & Asik that would've cleared up money to keep Livingston. And gave them a good center.

Moving Deron would've been a pure salary dump move for 2015 and 2016 FA class. Trading him makes Livingston irrelevant in the long run. They both worked well together as a backcourt and Lin is too ball dominant.

I think the Nets, much like alot of us expected him to get healthier by all-star break and put up the monster production he did in the second half of the 2012-2013 season. In hindsight, they would have definitely traded him.

Instead they're stuck with Deron and will let Blatche walk.

Blatche is a headcase. He did something during the season that pissed off the entire organization but we haven't exactly heard what it was. The Nets let him walk.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#45 » by MaxZaslofskyJr » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:24 am

Got me. We coulda had Brook-Linsanity.


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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#46 » by Hello Brooklyn » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:13 am

D-Will is not untradable. Hes still living off his Utah days and I guarantee teams would trade for him for the potential of him getting back to form.

We wouldn't get great value, but we would get something. There are a lot of desperate teams out there.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#47 » by kamaze » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:14 pm

Paradise wrote:
kamaze wrote:Deron's one of the worst contracts max $$ for a above average point guard when he brings effort.
If the team was smart they would have moved him last season for Lin & Asik that would've cleared up money to keep Livingston. And gave them a good center.

Moving Deron would've been a pure salary dump move for 2015 and 2016 FA class. Trading him makes Livingston irrelevant in the long run. They both worked well together as a backcourt and Lin is too ball dominant.

I think the Nets, much like alot of us expected him to get healthier by all-star break and put up the monster production he did in the second half of the 2012-2013 season. In hindsight, they would have definitely traded him.

Instead they're stuck with Deron and will let Blatche walk.

Blatche is a headcase. He did something during the season that pissed off the entire organization but we haven't exactly heard what it was. The Nets let him walk.


It would've saved the team from a headache. Livingston was a good backup even better off guard BK said he was #1 prioroty and they lost him for nothing bad business.

Again letting talent walk away is a bad move especially one who produced.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#48 » by Paradise » Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:29 pm

kamaze wrote:
Paradise wrote:
kamaze wrote:Deron's one of the worst contracts max $$ for a above average point guard when he brings effort.
If the team was smart they would have moved him last season for Lin & Asik that would've cleared up money to keep Livingston. And gave them a good center.

Moving Deron would've been a pure salary dump move for 2015 and 2016 FA class. Trading him makes Livingston irrelevant in the long run. They both worked well together as a backcourt and Lin is too ball dominant.

I think the Nets, much like alot of us expected him to get healthier by all-star break and put up the monster production he did in the second half of the 2012-2013 season. In hindsight, they would have definitely traded him.

Instead they're stuck with Deron and will let Blatche walk.

Blatche is a headcase. He did something during the season that pissed off the entire organization but we haven't exactly heard what it was. The Nets let him walk.


It would've saved the team from a headache. Livingston was a good backup even better off guard BK said he was #1 prioroty and they lost him for nothing bad business.


We were going to lose him for nothing regardless. Lin/Asik being here doesn't automatically help our cap restrictions. The only way to re-sign Livingston was using the full MLE. We were never going to have that at our disposal.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#49 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:31 pm

As soon as Kidd pulled that bull **** you knew Livingston wasn't going to stick around

and frankly, what money did we have to retain the guy? The Nets have to get under the luxury tax, and they made solid moves towards doing so.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#50 » by kamaze » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:31 pm

Paradise wrote:
kamaze wrote:
Paradise wrote:Moving Deron would've been a pure salary dump move for 2015 and 2016 FA class. Trading him makes Livingston irrelevant in the long run. They both worked well together as a backcourt and Lin is too ball dominant.

I think the Nets, much like alot of us expected him to get healthier by all-star break and put up the monster production he did in the second half of the 2012-2013 season. In hindsight, they would have definitely traded him.


Blatche is a headcase. He did something during the season that pissed off the entire organization but we haven't exactly heard what it was. The Nets let him walk.


It would've saved the team from a headache. Livingston was a good backup even better off guard BK said he was #1 prioroty and they lost him for nothing bad business.


We were going to lose him for nothing regardless. Lin/Asik being here doesn't automatically help our cap restrictions. The only way to re-sign Livingston was using the full MLE. We were never going to have that at our disposal.


I'm not up on the cap situation but they're both expiring contracts. Asik could've been easily moved to add more cap space if needed.

Why wouldn't they have had the full MLE?
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#51 » by Paradise » Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:01 pm

kamaze wrote:
Paradise wrote:
kamaze wrote:
It would've saved the team from a headache. Livingston was a good backup even better off guard BK said he was #1 prioroty and they lost him for nothing bad business.


We were going to lose him for nothing regardless. Lin/Asik being here doesn't automatically help our cap restrictions. The only way to re-sign Livingston was using the full MLE. We were never going to have that at our disposal.


I'm not up on the cap situation but they're both expiring contracts. Asik could've been easily moved to add more cap space if needed.

Why wouldn't they have had the full MLE?


Long we have Joe, Brook and Deron on max contracts we will always be over the cap meaning no full MLE.
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#52 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:28 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:D-Will is not untradable. Hes still living off his Utah days and I guarantee teams would trade for him for the potential of him getting back to form.

We wouldn't get great value, but we would get something. There are a lot of desperate teams out there.


if he was making sayin 8-10 million, sure absolutely somone who take him. but at 20 million we would likely need to give someone a first rounder to take him. at best, we could get back someone elses bad contracts that run shorter, like javale mcgee or brandon jennings

there are simply too many good point gaurds, dwill is no longer a top 10 point gaurd. and he is on the wrong side of 30 with injury and effort questions. and that positions is tending more towards athletic slashers then shooters
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Re: Why didnt we go Lin for DWill? 

Post#53 » by Prokorov » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:31 pm

Paradise wrote:
kamaze wrote:
Paradise wrote:
We were going to lose him for nothing regardless. Lin/Asik being here doesn't automatically help our cap restrictions. The only way to re-sign Livingston was using the full MLE. We were never going to have that at our disposal.


I'm not up on the cap situation but they're both expiring contracts. Asik could've been easily moved to add more cap space if needed.

Why wouldn't they have had the full MLE?


Long we have Joe, Brook and Deron on max contracts we will always be over the cap meaning no full MLE.


right but if we traded deron for lin/asik and let them expire we would be under the tax and have the full mle

any direction you want to go, trading dwill is the best option, regardless of who you get for him

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