The One And Only Offseason Thread 4

[JDLAW]

found this on Sheridanhoops.

Sheridan is a hack. Please don't post that garbage here. The fact that Dan Bickley thinks Sheridan broke the LeBron to Cleveland decision is just... ridiculous. No one that isn't a personal friend of Sheridan would say that.

just sharing something i came across. didn't realize it would upset people.

Thanks for sharing it. Didn't upset me one bit.

[aIvin adams]

Yah thx for sharing. I was just saying I think almost every letter of it was stupid and wrong

[Zelaznyrules]

If Blesode chooses to take the qualifying offer the Suns would be stupid to put him on the floor next season. It's not a matter of getting even with Bledsoe or killing his value as a 2015 UFA ... he would be telling us he doesn't want to be part of the Suns long term plans. In that case we absolutely need to develop Goodwin and Ennis.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin

I still can't imagine Bledsoe passing on $48M ... smh

Until this statement by Bledsoe, I would have agreed that he wouldn't be stupid enough to take the the QO, but now, after the statement, he may very well be.

Either way, I'm pretty much done with him. I liked his defense, but disliked how he ran the team, and his demeanor towards the team.

I still can't believe he hasn't made another statement, explaining what he said and meant. At this point, he should be saying that he really wants to return to PHX and lead them to the playoffs. The longer this drags out, with only that stupid statement out there, the more he looks like an ignorant arse.

But in no way should we raise the offer to him.

I can't believe we're making such a big deal out of his comment. Did you actually read the whole thing? Here it is in case you missed it:

"I can understand the Phoenix Suns are using being a restricted free agent against me. But I can understand that."

What's so terrible about that quote? It's a little naive but does that really surprise anyone?

And what was wrong with his demeanor towards his team? I thought it was excellent though a but restrained. He's not outgoing but most of the time he said and did the right thing. Even the exit interview that so many are concerned over reflected well on him up until his non-answer to the question that should never be asked of a free agent. He said "we" instead of "I" repeatedly and he talked positively about teammates and coaches (all season long actually).

[LukasBMW]

We don't want to offer Monroe a max deal or even a 4/44 or 4/48 deal because then it could be the equivalent of starting an NBA nuclear war that we probably lose:

-We offer Monroe 4/48 and force them to match
-Detroit offers Bledsoe 4/52 and forces us to match.
-Then Detroit matches Monroe.
-Detroit then says "checkmate"

Additionally if we sign Bledsoe for 4/44 +, we probably don't want to sign another unproven player and borderline allstar to an 11-12 mil per season deal.

But, if Bledsoe takes the qualifying offer and is officially under contract, then it makes sense to try to pry Monroe away from Detroit but only once we know they cannot retaliate by extending an offer to Bledsoe, and the 1 year uncertainty of Bledsoe means we can risk one bad contract by offering 11-12 mil per season to Monroe.

So if Bledsoe resigns for 4 years, we roll with what we got and see how Plumlee, Markeiff, and Len perform. We can always try to pick up a disgruntled big man by the trade deadline with our assets.

If Blesdoe takes the qualifying offer, we pitch a S&T to Detroit: Monroe at 4/44 in exchange for the Minnesota pick. We tell Monroe he will be our starting center and thus should take 11 mil per year here in Phoenix because he will have 4 years to pad his stats and be eligible for the BIG 125/5 max contract all players are looking for next time he hits the market.

If Detroit says no, then we go nuclear and offer Monroe 4/52 and force Detroit to match. With Bledsoe under contract, no way they can retaliate.

[LukasBMW]

But I honestly don't see McDon offering Monroe a deal over 11 mil per season.

McDonJuan seems to have a strategy of acquiring players for reasonable prices, building up assets, keeping flexibility, and then targeting the super super super stars.

And it makes lots of sense. If we are going to give a player a max deal or near max deal, then that player needs to be actually worth a max deal: Kevin Love, Lebron James, Carmello Anthony, Dwight Howard, etc. Over paying max deals to guys who aren't truly max players is how you destroy your chances of building a contender.

I guarantee you that if McDonnough ran the Warriors, Kevin Love would be there in exchange for Klay already because McDonough would know that he cannot sign both Klay and Love to max deals. Klay is not worth a max, Love is worth a max. So he ships Klay, David Lee, and a pick to Minnesota, and builds around Curry/Love/Iggy.

[spanishninja]

But I honestly don't see McDon offering Monroe a deal over 11 mil per season.

McDonJuan seems to have a strategy of acquiring players for reasonable prices, building up assets, keeping flexibility, and then targeting the super super super stars.

And it makes lots of sense. If we are going to give a player a max deal or near max deal, then that player needs to be actually worth a max deal: Kevin Love, Lebron James, Carmello Anthony, Dwight Howard, etc. Over paying max deals to guys who aren't truly max players is how you destroy your chances of building a contender.

I guarantee you that if McDonnough ran the Warriors, Kevin Love would be there in exchange for Klay already because McDonough would know that he cannot sign both Klay and Love to max deals. Klay is not worth a max, Love is worth a max. So he ships Klay, David Lee, and a pick to Minnesota, and builds around Curry/Love/Iggy.

And he could get rid of Lee, a hugely overrated player.

[RunDogGun]

If Blesode chooses to take the qualifying offer the Suns would be stupid to put him on the floor next season. It's not a matter of getting even with Bledsoe or killing his value as a 2015 UFA ... he would be telling us he doesn't want to be part of the Suns long term plans. In that case we absolutely need to develop Goodwin and Ennis.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin

I still can't imagine Bledsoe passing on $48M ... smh

Until this statement by Bledsoe, I would have agreed that he wouldn't be stupid enough to take the the QO, but now, after the statement, he may very well be.

Either way, I'm pretty much done with him. I liked his defense, but disliked how he ran the team, and his demeanor towards the team.

I still can't believe he hasn't made another statement, explaining what he said and meant. At this point, he should be saying that he really wants to return to PHX and lead them to the playoffs. The longer this drags out, with only that stupid statement out there, the more he looks like an ignorant arse.

But in no way should we raise the offer to him.

I can't believe we're making such a big deal out of his comment. Did you actually read the whole thing? Here it is in case you missed it:

"I can understand the Phoenix Suns are using being a restricted free agent against me. But I can understand that."

What's so terrible about that quote? It's a little naive but does that really surprise anyone?

And what was wrong with his demeanor towards his team? I thought it was excellent though a but restrained. He's not outgoing but most of the time he said and did the right thing. Even the exit interview that so many are concerned over reflected well on him up until his non-answer to the question that should never be asked of a free agent. He said "we" instead of "I" repeatedly and he talked positively about teammates and coaches (all season long actually).

The Suns aren't using anything against him. He is a RFA, there are rules that go with that. We said we would match any offer (meaning we want him here, and we will pay whatever a team thinks he is worth). He didn't get any offers, he barely got mentioned at the start of FA period, even Lowry was talked about at great lengths on NBAtv. Heck they didn't even list Bledsoe in the top five FA (R or U) in their segment.

His comment still sounds like a whinny little baby, even with the "I understand that". With that comment, he looks even dumber.

Moreover, the longer he leaves that statement out there without clear understanding of the position he is in, make fans think he doesn't really care to be here. He just wants the max amount if money for his half of a season production.

I just hate when millionaires (or soon to be) play the victim. The offer that has been reported is more than fair.

[aIvin adams]

That's a lot of unnecessary anger. I think we could all benefit from a whiskey and a cigar.

[BringinDaRuckus]

But the real question is, will $48 million dollars be enough to feed him and his family? (See: Latrell Spreewell)

[RunDogGun]

But the real question is, will $48 million dollars be enough to feed him and his family? (See: Latrell Spreewell)

How many are in his family?

[RunDogGun]

That's a lot of unnecessary anger. I think we could all benefit from a whiskey and a cigar.

Anger? I'm not angry, "you won't like me when I'm angry".

[spanishninja]

But the real question is, will $48 million dollars be enough to feed him and his family? (See: Latrell Spreewell)

I dunno man, according to the great Patrick Ewing, NBA players make a lot of money, but they spend a lot of money too!

[RunDogGun]

But the real question is, will $48 million dollars be enough to feed him and his family? (See: Latrell Spreewell)

I dunno man, according to the great Patrick Ewing, NBA players make a lot of money, but they spend a lot of money too!

That's because we make too many children millionaires. In the 1992-93 season, our highest paid player, Charles Barkley, was making $2.4 million.

[Puff]

found this on Sheridanhoops.

Sheridan is a hack. Please don't post that garbage here. The fact that Dan Bickley thinks Sheridan broke the LeBron to Cleveland decision is just... ridiculous. No one that isn't a personal friend of Sheridan would say that.

just sharing something i came across. didn't realize it would upset people.

Please, keep sharing stuff, like that.

People can dispute it afterwards if they don't agree but I found it interesting.

I actually can see EB ending up in LA next year if he does not sign up long term with us this off season.

A backcourt of EB and Lin probably would sell a lot of tickets in LA.

[SILERtheDEFILER]

But the real question is, will $48 million dollars be enough to feed him and his family? (See: Latrell Spreewell)

I dunno man, according to the great Patrick Ewing, NBA players make a lot of money, but they spend a lot of money too!

That's because we make too many children millionaires. In the 1992-93 season, our highest paid player, Charles Barkley, was making $2.4 million.

I bet rundog drops so many n bombs around the house

[oldjeezy]

I'd just like to applaud the posters who are trying to maintain some patience and calm in here.

If you haven't already, please watch the video. http://www.alabamas13.com/story/26121041/eric-bledsoe-on-contact-negotiations-video#.U9QgERlsQAU.twitter

Seems like a lot of people are reacting to the snippet of his answer that was posted on twitter ("Suns are using rules against me"). Granted, his words were poorly chosen to appear as an out-of-context twitter blurb. If you listen to him actually say it there's no malice in his tone. He repeats that he "understands."

It's a negotiation. I'm sure we'd all love a team of world-class athletes willing to play for nothing but the love of purp n orng--but until those guys show up, I'm totally comfortable waiting for this process to play out. Trust in the front office. Try to see it from Bledsoe's perspective. Chill out, it's July.

I fully expect Bledsoe to be a Sun next season.

[Safety Pickle]

If Blesode chooses to take the qualifying offer the Suns would be stupid to put him on the floor next season. It's not a matter of getting even with Bledsoe or killing his value as a 2015 UFA ... he would be telling us he doesn't want to be part of the Suns long term plans. In that case we absolutely need to develop Goodwin and Ennis.

Thomas/Ennis
Dragic/Goodwin

I still can't imagine Bledsoe passing on $48M ... smh

Until this statement by Bledsoe, I would have agreed that he wouldn't be stupid enough to take the the QO, but now, after the statement, he may very well be.

Either way, I'm pretty much done with him. I liked his defense, but disliked how he ran the team, and his demeanor towards the team.

I still can't believe he hasn't made another statement, explaining what he said and meant. At this point, he should be saying that he really wants to return to PHX and lead them to the playoffs. The longer this drags out, with only that stupid statement out there, the more he looks like an ignorant arse.

But in no way should we raise the offer to him.

I can't believe we're making such a big deal out of his comment. Did you actually read the whole thing? Here it is in case you missed it:

"I can understand the Phoenix Suns are using being a restricted free agent against me. But I can understand that."

What's so terrible about that quote? It's a little naive but does that really surprise anyone?

And what was wrong with his demeanor towards his team? I thought it was excellent though a but restrained. He's not outgoing but most of the time he said and did the right thing. Even the exit interview that so many are concerned over reflected well on him up until his non-answer to the question that should never be asked of a free agent. He said "we" instead of "I" repeatedly and he talked positively about teammates and coaches (all season long actually).

Barely anyone ever reads any article posted here or watches any of the videos. They see the obviously exaggerated headlines and just go off that.

[Zelaznyrules]

I dunno man, according to the great Patrick Ewing, NBA players make a lot of money, but they spend a lot of money too!

That's because we make too many children millionaires. In the 1992-93 season, our highest paid player, Charles Barkley, was making $2.4 million.

I bet rundog drops so many n bombs around the house

I'm not a betting man but I'd wager this comment won't go over well. Myself, I think I'd wait for someone to actually say something racist before I accused them of it.

[RunDogGun]

I dunno man, according to the great Patrick Ewing, NBA players make a lot of money, but they spend a lot of money too!

That's because we make too many children millionaires. In the 1992-93 season, our highest paid player, Charles Barkley, was making $2.4 million.

I bet rundog drops so many n bombs around the house

"N bombs"? Even F bombs don't fly very often around my house (2 little kids), but a few of them (F bomb) let loose when driving behind a Wis plate.

[RunDogGun]

That's because we make too many children millionaires. In the 1992-93 season, our highest paid player, Charles Barkley, was making $2.4 million.

I bet rundog drops so many n bombs around the house

I'm not a betting man but I'd wager this comment won't go over well. Myself, I think I'd wait for someone to actually say something racist before I accused them of it.

Yep, my comment had nothing to do with race.