Sixers, Cavs, Wolves.

[Mik317]

Given the direction this team is going, I do not understand the love for Anthony Bennett. Are you guys just trying to talk yourselves into liking him?

He is not explosive at all, even when he is in good shape. When he inevitably gets out of shape again, the sleep apnea will do a good job of making it difficult for him to recover.

What makes (some of) you guys think that he is a valuable asset? His turnaround fade-aways in SL? I'd rather keep Thad a year and lose him for "nothing," if it meant showing the younger guys how to succeed in this league.

Bennett's appeal is the idea that you can always fix prospects..this is often misguided but it goes as such.

- While drafted super high, it's not like he was some Euro Prospect who was balling against chairs in a gym. Bennett was a highly recruited player going into college and had a damn good year (I think his PER was close that of Parker's this year IIRC).

- He was hurt and rushed back to the court to live up being overdrafted. Last years CAVs team was a bad spot for him (this years team could be as well with all of the extra attention) in terms of development w/ the MAKE THE PLAYOFFS mandate and once again being over-drafted (would have been worse if Noel actually played last year).

- Hinkie apparently wanted him. IIRC Oladipo, Noel and Bennet being there at 6 was a prerec of the Jrue trade. Hinkie is god around these parts because reasons

- Brown will whip him into shape.

- He still has potential..not first overall potential but potential to do stuff.

Personally, I might take Shabazz over him (just barely) but I think the main idea is to get something for Thad who is so gone unless we overpay to bring him back..and the longer you wait the more Turner-esque deals you get back. A full season of Thad is better than half of one to any prospective buyers..and if The Wolves wanting to compete is true, maybe they think Thad (and Wiggins) could do what Love couldn't...for some reason.

I'm not over enthused about Bennett being the haul but I'd take him over draft picks and **** contracts. We need to bring back something of worth rather than more stuff down the line..

[freshie2]

Why would the Sixers want Shabazz??

[76thBearCub]

Hinkie said he would have never let something like that (the trade being based on Noel, dipo, or Bennett) become common knowledge if those were the guys he really wanted. While NBA GM's do lie, as secretive as hinkie is, I believe him.

[42uptop]

Why would the Sixers want Shabazz??

Because he is talented and on a rookie contract. He would immediately get playing time here

[maddog50]

We need to bring back something of worth rather than more stuff down the line..

But stuff down the line is something of worth. I would be happy losing Thad for a mid-first in the next 2 years.

The only value I see in Bennett is as an aid to the next tank. I don't want any of the Cavs' bad picks, actually. Just get a pick for Hinkie to play with at some point.

[Mik317]

We need to bring back something of worth rather than more stuff down the line..

But stuff down the line is something of worth. I would be happy losing Thad for a mid-first in the next 2 years.

The only value I see in Bennett is as an aid to the next tank. I don't want any of the Cavs' bad picks, actually. Just get a pick for Hinkie to play with at some point.

True true..I am just personally tired of kicking the ball down the road so to speak all the time. I mean yeah..it's a 5 year process yaddi yadda but I rather begin at least trying to find some pieces now. Not stars but legit building blocks...and the constant well we will have this mid round pick to get guys with mentality just tends annoy me a bit because it feels closer to stalling for time.

Especially since in this case it also comes with **** contracts like Martin and Barea.

[Sixerscan]

We need to bring back something of worth rather than more stuff down the line..

But stuff down the line is something of worth. I would be happy losing Thad for a mid-first in the next 2 years.

The only value I see in Bennett is as an aid to the next tank. I don't want any of the Cavs' bad picks, actually. Just get a pick for Hinkie to play with at some point.

True true..I am just personally tired of kicking the ball down the road so to speak all the time. I mean yeah..it's a 5 year process yaddi yadda but I rather begin at least trying to find some pieces now. Not stars but legit building blocks...and the constant well we will have this mid round pick to get guys with mentality just tends annoy me a bit because it feels closer to stalling for time.

Especially since in this case it also comes with **** contracts like Martin and Barea.

Which mid round picks of ours are you referring to? We don't really have many of those.

[KKell2507]

Would anyone trade our first rounder this year for Andrew Wiggins? I would.

Minnesota gets: Thad Young, Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett, Sixers 2015 1st(protected 15-30)
Sixers get: Andrew Wiggins, Kevin Martin and his contract
Cavaliers get: Kevin Love

Minnesota sheds salary, gets a young veteran they seem to like, gets two good prospects, and a likely top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.
Cavaliers get their man without having to trade any future picks.
Sixers get their star wing prospect and take on some salary they were going to have to pay anyway. They lose their last veteran trade chip and a likely VERY high pick in a draft loaded with big men when they already have their two big men of the future.

*As a side note, yes I know our pick is going to Boston if we make the playoffs, however my understanding of the CBA rules is that we can still add it with seperate protection if they don't overlap.

Protection would have to be 15-30 in 2015 and unprotected in 2017 to make it work.
Therefore if we miss the playoffs(as likely), Minnesota gets our 2015 1st and Boston gets our 2015 and 2016 2nds.
If we somehow made the playoffs, Boston gets our 2015 1st and Minnesota would get our unprotected 2017 1st.

Main question would be:
What does Minnesota value more: Thaddeus Young and a likely high lottery pick in the upcoming draft or Andrew Wiggins?

[Skates]

Why would the Sixers want Shabazz??

Because he is talented and on a rookie contract. He would immediately get playing time here

Well, he is on a rookie contract, talented? Hardly, dude sucks worse than Evan Turner by far. Really, he's not god, at all.

[Benfitnyc]

Would anyone trade our first rounder this year for Andrew Wiggins? I would.

Minnesota gets: Thad Young, Dion Waiters, Anthony Bennett, Sixers 2015 1st(protected 15-30)
Sixers get: Andrew Wiggins, Kevin Martin and his contract
Cavaliers get: Kevin Love

Minnesota sheds salary, gets a young veteran they seem to like, gets two good prospects, and a likely top 5 pick in the upcoming draft.
Cavaliers get their man without having to trade any future picks.
Sixers get their star wing prospect and take on some salary they were going to have to pay anyway. They lose their last veteran trade chip and a likely VERY high pick in a draft loaded with big men when they already have their two big men of the future.

*As a side note, yes I know our pick is going to Boston if we make the playoffs, however my understanding of the CBA rules is that we can still add it with seperate protection if they don't overlap.

Protection would have to be 15-30 in 2015 and unprotected in 2017 to make it work.
Therefore if we miss the playoffs(as likely), Minnesota gets our 2015 1st and Boston gets our 2015 and 2016 2nds.
If we somehow made the playoffs, Boston gets our 2015 1st and Minnesota would get our unprotected 2017 1st.

Main question would be:
What does Minnesota value more: Thaddeus Young and a likely high lottery pick in the upcoming draft or Andrew Wiggins?

Wishful thinking... Considering we owe our pick (lottery protected) to Boston so we can't trade the pick.
Next pick we could trade would be our 2016 1st rounder.

[Sixerscan]

The Saric trade made it so we can now trade the lottery part of the pick.

[Benfitnyc]

The Saric trade made it so we can now trade the lottery part of the pick.

Really??? So we can trade the lottery part of our pick next year?

[phantom84]

Here is my ideal scenario. Give up MCW and Thad for Love, trade Love to Cleveland for Wiggins. Then next draft, go and get Mudiay. So our potential lineup will be:

PG: Mudiay
SG: Wiggins
SF: Saric
PF: Noel
C: Embiid

[Sixerscan]

The Saric trade made it so we can now trade the lottery part of the pick.

Really??? So we can trade the lottery part of our pick next year?

Yeah why not? The rule is you can't owe picks in consecutive years. You can certainly owe the same pick to two different teams under different circumstances.

[KKell2507]

The Saric trade made it so we can now trade the lottery part of the pick.

Right that was understanding. Since that trade happened we can trade our pick in 2015 if it is 1-14 because we have no future obligations in relinquishing picks(thanks to Sam's draft night brilliance in getting that pick back from Orlando).

We also actually can't trade our 2016 1st at the moment because we haven't paid Boston yet and would be considered back to back years(the Stepien Rule). Am I right on that?

[Sixerscan]

To go on record: I am buying serious Anthony Bennett stock next year and if there's any way we could get him without giving up any of MCW/Noel/Embiid/Saric/2015 first I would do cartwheels.

[Sixerscan]

The Saric trade made it so we can now trade the lottery part of the pick.

Right that was understanding. Since that trade happened we can trade our pick in 2015 if it is 1-14 because we have no future obligations in relinquishing picks(thanks to Sam's draft night brilliance in getting that pick back from Orlando).

We also actually can't trade our 2016 1st at the moment because we haven't paid Boston yet and would be considered back to back years(the Stepien Rule). Am I right on that?

Right. But we could always word it in a clever way to get around that. (We give our 2016 first, unless we make the playoffs, then its a 2017 first). Since everyone knows we are going to suck in practical terms it wouldn't devalue the pick.

Of course, there's also no way we're trading a first round pick any time soon.

[Tension]

To go on record: I am buying serious Anthony Bennett stock next year and if there's any way we could get him without giving up any of MCW/Noel/Embiid/Saric/2015 first I would do cartwheels.

I only see him developing into his percieved potential under LeBron, but he's definitely not a bad trade chip if he can average a double double on our squad.

[Sixerscan]

To go on record: I am buying serious Anthony Bennett stock next year and if there's any way we could get him without giving up any of MCW/Noel/Embiid/Saric/2015 first I would do cartwheels.

I only see him developing into his percieved potential under LeBron, but he's definitely not a bad trade chip if he can average a double double on our squad.

Who needs LeBron when you have Tony Wroten?

[Benfitnyc]

If it's accurate that we can trade the lottery portion of our pick next year...

Wolves get:
Bennett, Thad, Sixers 2015 1st rd pick (lottery UNPROTECTED), Memphis 1st rd pick (owed to Cleveland), Moultrie, 2015 Orlando 2nd rd pick (owed to Philly).

Wolves trade:
Love & Martin

Cavs get:
Love

Cavs trade:
Bennett, Wiggins, Memphis 1st round pick

Sixers get:
Wiggins, Martin

Sixers trade:
Thad, 2015 1st round pick, Orlando 2015 2nd round pick, Moultrie.

*In the event Sixers make the playoffs (haha), Boston gets our pick and Minnesota would get our 2016 unprotected.
If they don't make playoffs, Wolves get our 1st rd pick and Boston gets two 2015 2nd rounders... We're owed 3 so we're covered in this trade (with us also adding Orlando 2nd rd to minny).