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The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime! 

Post#201 » by spanishninja » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:45 am

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DirtyDez wrote:The Suns won't sniff contention without Bledsoe therefor I hope he's back. I can't take another 9-10 seed season for the fifth time in six or whatever seasons.


Even with Bledsoe, I think we will be fighting for one of the last playoff spots. The Suns are nowhere near "contention", but as Suns fans we should just be happy to be mediocre. It seems to be our status quo, and what most fans really want anyway. Why build for a future championship team, when you can run and gun for the 8th seed year in and year out.

"With the 14th pick in the 2015 NBA draft, the Phoenix Suns choose..."


the thing is nowadays, championship teams can't really be built by organizations anymore. Players wield way too much power. It's either luck or collusion, those are the only ways.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime! 

Post#202 » by aIvin adams » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:52 am

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SF88 wrote:
LukasBMW wrote:HEY!

How about we RESPECT what info the insiders can give us?

Rather then annoying the insiders with requests for specific information and complaining when they are vague, perhaps we could be thankful for any clues they so generously provide us?

Remember that some people here risk their jobs and friendships when they tell us info and therefore some of this info needs to be vague.

GOT IT? Good.

No offense but you really don't know if these guys are "insiders". All of the stuff they provide has been speculation.

Not a single "insider" has predicted a FA signing or a draft selection before it happened in the past 3 years on this forum.

How do you know that these "insiders" aren't sitting at home drinking a beer laughing about how you and others actually think they know something that you don't? Oh riiiight because the very advanced verification process by the mods :lol:


Wrong. Ray Ray broke the Beasley signing and the Hedo trade, while Im pretty sure Traxxe broke the Shaq trade. Shaq wasnt 3 years ago but still, you get the point


But... these things never happened.

They never did happen
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime! 

Post#203 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:27 am

aIvin adams wrote:But... these things never happened.

They never did happen

Lance Blanks? I've never heard of him :-?
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime! 

Post#204 » by JTrain » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:45 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:NotTraxxe any idea if the suns are talking extension with the Morris twins?

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Post#205 » by Scutt » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:52 am

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Scutt wrote:
DirtyDez wrote:The Suns won't sniff contention without Bledsoe therefor I hope he's back. I can't take another 9-10 seed season for the fifth time in six or whatever seasons.


Even with Bledsoe, I think we will be fighting for one of the last playoff spots. The Suns are nowhere near "contention", but as Suns fans we should just be happy to be mediocre. It seems to be our status quo, and what most fans really want anyway. Why build for a future championship team, when you can run and gun for the 8th seed year in and year out.

"With the 14th pick in the 2015 NBA draft, the Phoenix Suns choose..."


the thing is nowadays, championship teams can't really be built by organizations anymore. Players wield way too much power. It's either luck or collusion, those are the only ways.


I agree that luck has a lot to do with it, but you have to put yourself in the position to get lucky. The luck of drafting a superstar talent is much higher in the top 5 of the draft than it is when you are drafting with the 14th pick over and over. It is like those lotto commercials say, "you cant win if you don't play".

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Which is why I don't understand why the Suns are so hell bent on making the playoffs when we don't even have a franchise guy yet. That seems counterproductive because I am certainly not drinking the Kool-Aid on the idea that a superstar in their prime is going to suddenly choose Phoenix in free agency or force a trade. So we should just be a treadmill team for years waiting for that star to come along? That sounds fun! Oh wait no it doesn't, especially when you think about how it is going to stunt the growth of the few young pieces of talent this team has. We already saw it last year, when we as a "rebuilding team", would rather bring in a half broken Barbosa, than give minutes to Archie Goodwin because getting that 8th seed was so important. Instead of filling out the roster with young guys with potential, they brought in guys like Christmas and Randolph, that sent a clear sign to me what this organization wants and that is to simply make the playoffs, no more no less.

All this makes me laugh because the Suns insistence at being simply competitive all the time is what is holding them back from getting a franchise player. When will the light bulb go on? Phoenix, you need to draft your franchise player, stop playing these games. What is the hurt in trying, if it doesn't work you can go back to fighting like hell for the 8th spot. We know, you are really good at it, its one of your skills!

What's the definition of insanity? Its doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Yup, that's the Phoenix Suns in a nutshell. It is why this team is 5th alltime in wins, yet has no rings. The Suns are always good, but never good enough, and they have not allowed themselves enough opportunities to clean house and draft a great player that can make a great team. Why? My guess is most Suns fans are just happy to be in it and don't want to go through the growing pains of building a contender. They would rather watch a decent team year after year, even if it meant never getting a ring. ( In fact a poster on these boards made a general board topic on that very idea.) And the biggest thing obviously, from an owners stand point, consistently making the playoff's means more money. Who want's to lose money on rebuilding a team, even if it provides a brighter future? Certainly not the Suns.
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Post#206 » by wordsenuff » Sun Aug 10, 2014 5:28 am

a little off topic but came across this. some guy mashed up basketball and soccer jerseys.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime! 

Post#207 » by JTrain » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:06 am

Scutt wrote:Which is why I don't understand why the Suns are so hell bent on making the playoffs when we don't even have a franchise guy yet. That seems counterproductive because I am certainly not drinking the Kool-Aid on the idea that a superstar in their prime is going to suddenly choose Phoenix in free agency or force a trade. So we should just be a treadmill team for years waiting for that star to come along? That sounds fun! Oh wait no it doesn't, especially when you think about how it is going to stunt the growth of the few young pieces of talent this team has. We already saw it last year, when we as a "rebuilding team", would rather bring in a half broken Barbosa, than give minutes to Archie Goodwin because getting that 8th seed was so important. Instead of filling out the roster with young guys with potential, they brought in guys like Christmas and Randolph, that sent a clear sign to me what this organization wants and that is to simply make the playoffs, no more no less.

All this makes me laugh because the Suns insistence at being simply competitive all the time is what is holding them back from getting a franchise player. When will the light bulb go on? Phoenix, you need to draft your franchise player, stop playing these games. What is the hurt in trying, if it doesn't work you can go back to fighting like hell for the 8th spot. We know, you are really good at it, its one of your skills!

What's the definition of insanity? Its doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Yup, that's the Phoenix Suns in a nutshell. It is why this team is 5th alltime in wins, yet has no rings. The Suns are always good, but never good enough, and they have not allowed themselves enough opportunities to clean house and draft a great player that can make a great team. Why? My guess is most Suns fans are just happy to be in it and don't want to go through the growing pains of building a contender. They would rather watch a decent team year after year, even if it meant never getting a ring. ( In fact a poster on these boards made a general board topic on that very idea.) And the biggest thing obviously, from an owners stand point, consistently making the playoff's means more money. Who want's to lose money on rebuilding a team, even if it provides a brighter future? Certainly not the Suns.


But how do you draft a franchise player? The draft is a crapshoot and it's only going to get worse with the new proposed lottery rules. Even as it stands, going 0-82 gives you a better chance of getting the 4th pick than the 1st. So do you tank multiple seasons to make sure you get a number one pick? Even then you only have a 65-70% chance that you will get a great player. And even if you do, you need plenty of other pieces (many which involve luck) for the player to thrive and make you a contender. How many seasons, players and possible good experiences are you willing to throw out in order to eventually get what you need via draft?
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Post#208 » by Scutt » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:22 am

^ You draft a franchise player like Chicago did with Jordan, Houston did with Olajuwon , San Antonio did with Duncan, Seattle with Durant, New Orleans with Anthony Davis and so on. You cant just write the draft off as a "crapshoot", that is ignorant, its whole purpose is to help small markets land talent. What is wrong with wanting to take advantage of that?
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Post#209 » by drewsprocket » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:58 am

Scutt wrote:^ You draft a franchise player like Chicago did with Jordan, Houston did with Olajuwon , San Antonio did with Duncan, Seattle with Durant, New Orleans with Anthony Davis and so on. You cant just write the draft off as a "crapshoot", that is ignorant, its whole purpose is to help small markets land talent. What is wrong with wanting to take advantage of that?

And you draft Amare, Marion, sign Nash, and make sure as **** you re-sign JJohnson even at a bloated it amount to win. That group would have eventually won a title despite their poor luck. Quick edit: And you also keep your draft picks!
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Post#210 » by BurningHeart » Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:22 am

This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks.
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Post#211 » by JTrain » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:06 am

Scutt wrote:^ You draft a franchise player like Chicago did with Jordan, Houston did with Olajuwon , San Antonio did with Duncan, Seattle with Durant, New Orleans with Anthony Davis and so on. You cant just write the draft off as a "crapshoot", that is ignorant, its whole purpose is to help small markets land talent. What is wrong with wanting to take advantage of that?


Q: How do you draft a franchise player?

A: Draft a franchise player like Chicago did with Jordan.


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Calling the draft a crapshoot isn't ignorant-- it's a statistical fact. There is a lot of luck involved. I didn't say you shouldn't take advantage of it. Of course you should. I just don't think there is an efficient way to strategize getting a star player from it (ex. tanking). Of course you can cherry pick examples like Jordan, Olajuwon, etc. but we only know those were franchise players with hindsight, which we don't have on draft day. There are countless counterexamples. The '83 Bulls had a better record than the 2012 Suns. They got the greatest player of all-time. We got Alex Len.

In the ten drafts before 2014, 11 of the 40 top four picks have made the All-NBA team. And that counts second and third team All-NBA. And even if you're lucky enough to get a star, doesn't mean you are set. Anthony Davis may never take the Pelicans to the playoffs, and eventually leave a la Love.

We were supposed to be the worst team in the NBA last year, by far. Instead we were two games away from being in the top 10, even after a significant injury. We are building a champion by having a great GM and a great coach. This is just as likely to net us a title as trying to game the draft system to get the next star. TJ Warren might end up a better player than Wiggins or Parker or both. And because McD played to win, we built great chemistry, a winning attitude and gave the fans a memorable season.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime! 

Post#212 » by carey » Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:38 am

Scutt wrote: What's the definition of insanity? Its doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


This is a giant pet peeve of mine, but is not basketball related so feel free to skip.

This is not the definition of insanity. For some reason people attribute the quote to Albert Einstein but he never said it. The earliest appearance of the quote appeared in a Narcotics Anonymous pamphlet in 1980. Another thing to note is that a mental health professional will never be caught dead saying the term insanity or using it to describe an individual. Insanity is strictly a legal term that means a person suffers from a mental illness that is so severe it keeps them from knowing that the crime committed was illegal.

That quote actually describes something called Perseveration. Usually it's done by someone with a traumatic brain injury and they repeat words or tasks but are left frustrated and unsatisfied by the result. I.e. They are stuck in some pattern because their brain doesn't work effectively and they are hoping to get out.

In short, you can keep saying the quote if you like, just don't attribute it to any famous people and realize that it is not describing what insanity actually is.
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Post#213 » by JTrain » Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:10 am

I don't think people mean/think it's literally the definition of insanity. It's like saying, "Eating pizza for dessert is the definition of gluttony."
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime! 

Post#214 » by Qwigglez » Sun Aug 10, 2014 9:33 am

We got our franchise player when we did tank, his name is Alex Len. 8-)
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Post#215 » by kingstyyyle » Sun Aug 10, 2014 12:46 pm

Qwigglez wrote:We got our franchise player when we did tank, his name is Alex Len. 8-)

That wasnt tanking that was the michael beasley effect
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Post#216 » by RunDogGun » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:17 pm

JTrain wrote:I don't think people mean/think it's literally the definition of insanity. It's like saying, "Eating pizza for desert is the definition of gluttony."

The desert is not a great place to eat a dessert. :D
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Post#217 » by aIvin adams » Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:41 pm

BurningHeart wrote:This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks.


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Post#218 » by NoKneeBledsoe » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:14 pm

First off, Insiders on Real Gm hahahahahahahahaha call me an insider cause I can predict trades, signings, etc.

I guaranteed Cleveland would get Lebron and then trade for love with Philly getting Bennett.

I guess I am an NBA insider.
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Post#219 » by sunskerr » Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:18 pm

NoKneeBledsoe wrote:First off, Insiders on Real Gm hahahahahahahahaha call me an insider cause I can predict trades, signings, etc.

I guaranteed Cleveland would get Lebron and then trade for love with Philly getting Bennett.

I guess I am an NBA insider.

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Post#220 » by JMac1 » Sun Aug 10, 2014 4:35 pm

aIvin adams wrote:
BurningHeart wrote:This team went from 20 wins to 48 wins in a single year largely because of Goran Dragic and you still have people whining about "franchise players" and "tanking" to get some loser in a draft and still think someone can go from worst to first. Newsflash, guy: This IS our rebuild. The team took massive strides last year and told you and cancerous douchebags LIKE you who would rather foster a losing culture to shove it up your ass. Go back to playing NBA2K because your preferred way doesn't work in real life.

Guess what, your "sainted" 2014 #1 pick that everyone jizzed over for the last two years is getting dealt for a superstar NBA player that nobody came close to expecting would be this good.

Good grief. Another one to the ignore list. I'd prefer it if none of you guys quoted this guy ever again. Thanks.


Hahahah too mean-spirited but And-1'd for hilarity and accuracy



Could you guys pleas stop quoting this Jack and reinforcing his negative posts? He is nowhere close to being funny, relevant, or insightful as a poster. His Archie Bunker approach to other posters on this board has grown old and boorish. His public touting of whom he has put on ignore is a pathetic cry for attention. He is tired and sophomoric. His disdain and verbal jabs at posters who disagree with him is the anesthetist of what this board is about. He is seeking serious attention, because he probably isn't getting any in real life with that totalitarianistic atttitude of his. Don't laugh at a malignant, infectious, metastasizing, cancerous poster like BH....cut him out!!

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