Next Bull's Jersey to be retired

[Proven_Winner]

Love Noah, but he's not jersey retirement good and it's for all the same reasons why Hinrich and Deng aren't either.

Jersey retirements is not really a league thing, but a team thing so guys like Deng, Jo, and Kirk have a chance since they have been Bulls for a long time and seem to be really liked by the FO.

Big Z got his jersey retired and he was with the Cavs for a very long time. Only had 2 AS games as far as big achievements and was a good player. Jo has 2 AS games, 2x first team defense, 1 nba first team, and a DPOY. So with a few more good years from him I don't see how he doesn't get a retirement especially since like Big Z he's a fan favorite.

[drosestruts]

Love Noah, but he's not jersey retirement good and it's for all the same reasons why Hinrich and Deng aren't either.

Noah's far more accomplished and decorated than Deng and Hinrich. His resume is fairly similar to Sloan's and he's not done yet.

[bledredwine]

I think it has to be Jo if he keeps having some good seasons into his 30s after that Derrick.

Frankly it all depends on if Jo wins a championship or not. I agree w Red L that Noah isn't really good enough but if he participates in Bull history w a championship I could see it.

[drosestruts]

Feels like a lot of other teams don't have as high standards for retiring one's number. Haslem will probably get his number retired by the Heat. I know he's a long time Heat, won 3 rings, and will likely retire there, but the guy never averaged more than 12 points per game, never more than 9.1 rebounds, never made an all NBA team, allstar team, or an all NBA defensive team.

If Hinrich won a ring or two he'd probably get that treatment.

Deng's name is all over Bulls all time leaderboards. 4th in points, 6th in games, 4th in minutes, 5th in field goals, 7th in 3s, 9th in rebounds, 5th in steals, etc. If he retired and/or won a ring here I'd see that happening, but he didn't, so probably not.

But yeah, Noah with a few more good years probably has it in the bag, especially if he spends the rest of his career here.
Rose, if he gets healthy and plays 5-6+ more years for us. He's a former MVP.

Why are the heat your example? They've only retired Tim Hardway and Alonzo Mourning...

[Red Larrivee]

Love Noah, but he's not jersey retirement good and it's for all the same reasons why Hinrich and Deng aren't either.

Noah's far more accomplished and decorated than Deng and Hinrich. His resume is fairly similar to Sloan's and he's not done yet.

Never saw Sloan play, so I can't relate to his impact on the Bulls. Noah is awesome, but I don't see him as a landmark player for the Bulls as much as I do an uber fan favorite. He has time to get there though especially if he signs another deal. To me jersey retirement is about landmark organization talents. A player who you can't imagine someone else wearing his number or having a comparable impact.

Deng and Noah have done similar things btw.

[DASMACKDOWN]

I think Hinrich is a possibility to get his jersey retired - I'm 100% it will get retired if the Bulls somehow win a Championship in the next few years while Kirk is still with the Bulls.

The next in line would definitely have to be Noah if he continues to stay healthy and play at a high level. I think if he signs another extension with the Bulls and actually stays with the team throughout the contract period, I'm going to go as far to say that it will be a lock that he'll have his jersey retired even if he ends up being traded at 35 or whenever his next contract will be up.

I'm sorry, but that is just nonsense. He won't even come close to warranting a jersey retirement.

Nonsense? Not close to warranting his jersey being retired?

Lets see, this is the Bulls career leaders with Kirk on the list:

Career games played: 4th, is 49 games behind Jerry Sloan for 3rd

Career minutes: 6th

3 points made: 1st, by a significant margin

Assists: 4th, 72 assists away from Norm Van Lier for 3rd

Steals: 3rd

Total points: 9th, 252 points away from Reggie Theus for 8th

As I said, I'm not going to be entirely bothered or stunned if the Bulls franchise decides not to retire his jersey, but lets not act like he is some scrub that hasn't achieved anything of significance either.

I understand the rankings for Kirk but its 100% due to actual length of time, not due to greatness.

Basically if anyone spends 8+ years in a franchise, they most likely will be ranked somewhere high on their alltime list. Unless they are the Lakers or Celtics that have one of the oldest richest franchises.

When you have a franchise that has boasted the GOAT, the players retired, should be alltime greats for the franchise in my opinion. When you consider, Jordan, Pippen, Sloan, Love, they were the best of the best at the time. Allstars, 1st team All NBA or 1st team all defense. Adding Kirk would look considerably out of place. It would be like he must be the long term achievement award winner.

Im not saying that they wont do it anyway, but im saying if he does, its not because of greatness.

Jo on the other hand is probably a shoe in when its all said and done. He is going to rank 1 or 2 in basically every defensive category.

With him already being a 2 time allstar, DPOY, 3 All defense teams (2 first), it basically enforces it.

Noah all of unique talent, accomplishments, and heart and soul of the era. For Kirk I wouldnt be surprised if the big thank you is just a spot in the front office.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Never saw Sloan play, so I can't relate to his impact on the Bulls. Noah is awesome, but I don't see him as a landmark player for the Bulls as much as I do an uber fan favorite. He has time to get there though especially if he signs another deal. To me jersey retirement is about landmark organization talents. A player who you can't imagine someone else wearing his number or having a comparable impact.

Deng and Noah have done similar things btw.

You also have to remember position. Gilmore was clearly the best, but he only played 6 seasons., Noah is easily the second best center the franchise has seen.

[Ctownbulls]

I think Hinrich is a possibility to get his jersey retired - I'm 100% it will get retired if the Bulls somehow win a Championship in the next few years while Kirk is still with the Bulls.

The next in line would definitely have to be Noah if he continues to stay healthy and play at a high level. I think if he signs another extension with the Bulls and actually stays with the team throughout the contract period, I'm going to go as far to say that it will be a lock that he'll have his jersey retired even if he ends up being traded at 35 or whenever his next contract will be up.

Wasn't Deng a Bulls longer than Kirk? And a lot better?

[6_Rings]

Just Rose and Noah...

[Friend_Of_Haley]

Love Noah, but he's not jersey retirement good and it's for all the same reasons why Hinrich and Deng aren't either.

Totally agreed, at least at the moment. I don't get all these posters bringing up examples from other teams. He needs to reup another contract after this and maintain a relatively high level of play. And a championship, even a NBA Finals appearance would seal it, but that's assuming a lot.


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[Stratmaster]

I think Hinrich is a possibility to get his jersey retired

kirk has been here a long time but i don't feel hes had a good enough career to retire his jersey

Noah i can see/understand....he has 2 all-stars, a DPOY, all nba 1st team and 2x all defensive 1st team

Kirk has 2nd team defense and thats it

I'm a Hinrich fan, and I want to argue just because of that and the fact I never liked Gordon. but I can't. You are spot on.

[Eyeballs]

If Kirk gets his jersey retired before Norm Van Lier, Artis Gilmore, Horace Grant and even Dennis Rodman...

Thanks for saying what I was thinking. You simply don't retire the jersey of a guy who was, in his best seasons, the fourth or fifth best player on a .500 team.

The fact that Van Lier, ATrain, and Rodman haven't had theirs retired shows the very high standard the Bulls put on the honor.

[kordian]

Anyone who thinks that Hinrich is worthy of having his number retired by the bulls has got to be drinking that funky kool aid. He was a solid pg back in the day but he was never great. To be retired by the bulls you have to be clearly great, a championship organization has the ability to be picky. Cleveland has no championship history so Big Z is acceptable over there, not in Chicago.

Noah would have to continue his recent play for a few more seasons to be a legit contender to have his number retired.

Obviously if DRose comes back completely healthy and returns to his MVP level he is a prime contender to have his number retired.

[kdapiton]

I think if Noah snatches another 1st team selection, another DPOY, maybe 2 AS selection and ring or two, then jersey retirement isn't that far of a reach.

[RedBulls23]

Never saw Sloan play, so I can't relate to his impact on the Bulls. Noah is awesome, but I don't see him as a landmark player for the Bulls as much as I do an uber fan favorite. He has time to get there though especially if he signs another deal. To me jersey retirement is about landmark organization talents. A player who you can't imagine someone else wearing his number or having a comparable impact.

Deng and Noah have done similar things btw.

I think that's the point. If Noah stays on the track he's on, he likely will be placed in that category.

[DuckIII]

Kirk won't get his number retired. That's ridiculous.

The "next" one to get his number retired, based on current trajectories, is clearly Noah. Multiple allstar, DPOY, team leader, fan favorite, high "fame" factor, played on successful teams.

If he stays a Bull, particularly past this contract for even a year or two (which would cement a 10+ year career as a Bull), he's pretty much a lock whether you agree with it or not.

[DuckIII]

I think if Noah snatches another 1st team selection, another DPOY, maybe 2 AS selection and ring or two, then jersey retirement isn't that far of a reach.

He might need another allstar appearance or two, but that's pretty much it. All he needs to do is continue to be very good, and play on very good Bulls teams, for a few more seasons.

Barring something outside of the expected career arc for Noah, he's basically a lock.

[Concept Coop]

It's Rose or bust for the current Bulls.

[ATRAIN53]

If Kirk gets his jersey retired before Norm Van Lier, Artis Gilmore, Horace Grant and even Dennis Rodman...

I'd love to see Norm and Artis up there, but they were only here for @ 7 years each and won squat.

The Bulls have not reached out to Artis in any capacity in ages, there is no relations and you never see him mentioned by the org at all. Very Sad. The Spurs have done a better job honoring his NBA legacy, but there is no home for his ABA accomplishments.

He's happy down in Jacksonville FL with his number in their rafters and finally getting into the HOF after being snubbed forever.

Reinsdorf would honor Hinrich before Gilmore - but none of these jerseys will ever be retired, esp Grant.

I want a Phil/Tex/Krause/Bach banner in the shape of a triangle someday - those guys deserve SOMETHING.

[BigLos2010]

Frankly, I don't see how Artis Gilmore's 53 isn't retired already. The man was here 6 seasons. In that span, he was a 4-time All Star. He averaged 20 points, 11.5 rebounds, 2.5 assists, and 2.2 blocks on 60% shooting from the field, including two seasons of 67% and 65% from the field. On Basketball-Reference.com, he most similarly scores with Shaq (89.4), Bill Russell (88.8), David Robinson (88.5), Moses Malone (82.6), Dan Issel (81.4), Hakeem Olajuwon (79.4), Kareem (73), Walt Bellamy (70.9), Patrick Ewing (64.1), and Wilt Chamberlain (63.6), which puts him in elite company.

Artis' number is retired by no one. It should be retired here.