Trade Ideas - Part 2

[Benedict_Boozer]

Wouldnt a guy like Biyombo make sense for you guys as well?

Yes - he has great metrics in terms of rim protection. MJ might be a tough trade Partner though, don't see him wanting to help us plug our largest remaining hole.

[B Mac]

Well since today seems like it might be the day, allow me to quote myself from a time when this forum had about 4 active posters...

If I were the Cavs I wouldnt make any moves at this point until I see what happens in Minnesota. That team is still not going to get Kevin Love into the playoffs and he was extremely close to being traded last year. I know its a different regime there, but you have to wonder if KLove ends up on the block this year. Hope for losses in Minny!

[TheKingofSting]

Welcome Kevin!

[Bubstubbler]

Looking down the road to next summer:

Haywood/future 1st for Asik
draft Willie Cauley-Stein with the Memphis pick (hopefully it's a mid-lotto pick)
sign Afflalo with the MLE

Irving/Delly
Waiters/Afflalo
LeBron/Miller/Jones
Love/Thompson/Marion
Asik/Varejao/WCS

That would be awesome.

Another nice scenario would be Haywood/future 1st for Bledsoe, draft WCS, and sign Chandler with the MLE:

Irving/Delly
Waiters/Bledsoe
LeBron/Miller/Jones
Love/Thompson/Marion
Varejao/Chandler/WCS

[Dupp]

Salary wise those are both pretty unrealistic scenarios.

[He's Heating Up]

Bledsoe wants the max and you think he's gonna come off the bench?

[johnnyballgame]

Looking down the road to next summer:

Haywood/future 1st for Asik
draft Willie Cauley-Stein with the Memphis pick (hopefully it's a mid-lotto pick)
sign Afflalo with the MLE

Irving/Delly
Waiters/Afflalo
LeBron/Miller/Jones
Love/Thompson/Marion
Asik/Varejao/WCS

That would be awesome.

Another nice scenario would be Haywood/future 1st for Bledsoe, draft WCS, and sign Chandler with the MLE:

Irving/Delly
Waiters/Bledsoe
LeBron/Miller/Jones
Love/Thompson/Marion
Varejao/Chandler/WCS

Why would we trade anything for Bledsoe next summer? He'll likely be a free agent then.
If he's not he's signed long term in Phoenix and therefore must have worked out whatever problems they have. If the problems weren't worked out but the long term deal was signed regardless, why would Phoenix trade a signed player the caliber of Bledsoe for an old player they don't need in Haywood and a late, late first? Clearly that wouldn't be enough.
And if there was even a possibility of us signing him as a free agent we'd likely be better off spending that money on a defensive center or a real two guard with the length to defend.
If you meant to deal Haywood for Bledsoe and a first this season, that may be even worse. It just creates a glut of guards and a bigger need for a rim protector. We'd have to make another move after that.
I have no faith in Haywood until I see him on the court doing something, but he's the best hope we have for some rim protection now and one year or a half year of Bledsoe isn't worth a first especially if its lessening our chances at a title this year.

Scenario #2 just seems very highly unlikely.

[TheKingofSting]

Bledsoe will cause problems.

[CAVS ARE BACK]

Bledsoe wants the max and you think he's gonna come off the bench?

He's not getting anywhere near the max because he deserves to come off the bench when he isn't injured and sitting on the bench in a suit.

[Bubstubbler]

Why would we trade anything for Bledsoe next summer? He'll likely be a free agent then.

Salary cap -- we won't have the cap space to just sign him outright, it'd have to be a trade.

[He's Heating Up]

Bledsoe wants the max and you think he's gonna come off the bench?

He's not getting anywhere near the max because he deserves to come off the bench when he isn't injured and sitting on the bench in a suit.

It doesn't matter what you think he's worth. He has said he wants the max, and you have offered him a role on the bench. Good luck with that.

[johnnyballgame]

Sorry duplicate post. Samsung tablet seems to do this a bunch.

[johnnyballgame]

Why would we trade anything for Bledsoe next summer? He'll likely be a free agent then.

Salary cap -- we won't have the cap space to just sign him outright, it'd have to be a trade.

Sorry but this is even crazier!
Do you honestly think a guy so hell bent on a max offer that he signs the qualifying offer is going to sign here for less than the max? He just turned down $12 million! He'll be a free agent and have the freedom to negotiate with the entire NBA - which is the whole motivation behind taking the QO. He's not going to suddenly give us a discount or take less than that. Not when he just suffered an entire year to get that leverage!
So again, for phoenix to sign and trade him to us is just extremely unlikely.

And its crazy to give up Haywood and a first just for a sign and trade. Completely insane actually. Phoenix would likely take a second rounder at that point. Maybe theyd take a pair of upper deck tickets to the finals.
They likely wouldn't even want to help Bledsoe or even the Cavs. It wouldn't, couldn't and won't happen.
Clearly our assets could be better spent anyway. I'm not against upgrading at the two gaurd but Waiters is actually one of the best contracts we'll have next season at just over $5M. We don't have a lot of players actually under contract for next year at this point. Much of your projected depth chart could be different anyway.

[Bubstubbler]

Bledsoe wants the max and you think he's gonna come off the bench?

He's not getting anywhere near the max because he deserves to come off the bench when he isn't injured and sitting on the bench in a suit.

It doesn't matter what you think he's worth. He has said he wants the max, and you have offered him a role on the bench. Good luck with that.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that Bledsoe was merely being offered a role on the bench. Should have added a "or visa versa" after them on my hypothetical depth chart because I don't know who would start. I'm sure he'd have plenty of opportunity to compete for a starting spot. Nothing wrong with having 3 exceptionally good guards, and there'd be plenty of minutes to go around, probably enough for all 3 to get 35+ mpg, especially since there are probably going to be a decent number of missed games due to injuries.

I'm actually not much of a Bledsoe fan, I'd prefer the other hypothetical scenario with Asik and Afflalo.

[jbk1234]

He's not getting anywhere near the max because he deserves to come off the bench when he isn't injured and sitting on the bench in a suit.

It doesn't matter what you think he's worth. He has said he wants the max, and you have offered him a role on the bench. Good luck with that.

Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that Bledsoe was merely being offered a role on the bench. Should have added a "or visa versa" after them on my hypothetical depth chart because I don't know who would start. I'm sure he'd have plenty of opportunity to compete for a starting spot. Nothing wrong with having 3 exceptionally good guards, and there'd be plenty of minutes to go around, probably enough for all 3 to get 35+ mpg, especially since there are probably going to be a decent number of missed games due to injuries.

I'm actually not much of a Bledsoe fan, I'd prefer the other hypothetical scenario with Asik and Afflalo.

People need to think about how happy Bledsoe would be play 4th fiddle in a contract year with the Cavs. Assuming the Cavs shipped out Waiters for him, Kyrie is not Dragic. If you thought the locker room issues were bad last year, they will be 100 times worse when Bledsoe is getting 6-8 FGA per game in a contract year. If you move Bledsoe to a sixth man role, are we going with a Irving/Miller back court defensively?

[TheKingofSting]

Winning makes even knuckleheads happy.

[jbk1234]

Winning makes even knuckleheads happy.

Not when they are looking to get their first big pay day.

[No-Man]

Waiters and Thompson for Lee, Pondexter, Koufos and lower the protection of the pick from 1-5&15-30 to 1-5&20-30, that way you could get two 1st rounders next year and play with them and Haywood expiring.

Irving-Dellavedova
Lee-Pondexter-Harris
James-Miller-Jones
Love-Marion
Varejao-Koufos

way better defense, retainable players, Koufos is from Ohio, could re-sign for a fair deal, Pondexter and Lee got more years for cheap, the fit is better and the team will work right away.

memphis will do this because they need upside, and Waiters provides that in a way, plus Thompson could enter for Gasol or Randolph if needed.

[Vides990]

^ Horrible trade for Cle and I'm not even big on Waiters/Thompson...

[MJallday59]

Magic fan here...

Wondering, should the cavs entertain a afflalo/waiters deal with denver? My gut says Denver will look to move him for a legitimate go to scorer.

Dion Waiters/Haywood for Afflalo

Mosgov for TPE/2nd rounder?