Offseason Thread 6: The Not So Mexican Stand-off Continues

[JDLAW]

"Hobson's Choice" ...I love it!

Good sleuthing with the Termini-Saunders connection. Kudos.

So I'm clear on your suspicions..

Do you believe this "T-Wolves would accept Bledsoe at max" is a complete sham? Saunders saying "go ahead, float it" as a favor to his agent. Then leaked only as device in PHX-Bled talks?

Or

Yes. Bledsoe would (perhaps reluctantly) agree to go to Minnesota at the max, and Saunder would actually pull the trigger, but only in crazy good deal such as- Martin/Buddinger/Barrea/Small lowering of the 1st rd protection for '15 or '16 in exchange? With Saunders pretty much knowing McD/Babby would almost surely not agreeing to it.

I think Saunders is legitimately interested in Bledsoe especially if he can dump off bad players/contracts in exchange. Who would not to acquire Beldsoe for the likes of Buddinger, Barea, Pek, Brewer or whatever other garbage they want to throw into the pot.

I see this more as a favor to his agent Termini and by association Paul, to jack with the Suns and get them to capitulate to Paul's demands.

Yes, I think the same.
They have a ton of "bad" contracts, so in reality the wouldn't spend too much money on Bledsoe's deal.
I don't like Rubio, Martin or Pekovic.None of them are starters for a playoff team in my opinion.

I think that Young is a good player and Dieng is a really good C, if we make finally a trade he should be a must. Lavine have real upside on him, it would be great to get him too.

Have to ask yourself why are the T-Wolves insiders saying their focus is on Rubio and not Bledsoe?

[JDLAW]

This is getting dumber by the minute. There could be two fold to this nonsense. Minny could also be trying to play hardball with Rubio negotiations.

But man I'm tired of this Paul clown.

So glad Ryan is our gm.

And what is with that wiretap article? The Wolves can't make that offer.

They are quoting that oozing fat-boy of knowledge Windhorst.

[Saberestar]

I think Saunders is legitimately interested in Bledsoe especially if he can dump off bad players/contracts in exchange. Who would not to acquire Beldsoe for the likes of Buddinger, Barea, Pek, Brewer or whatever other garbage they want to throw into the pot.

I see this more as a favor to his agent Termini and by association Paul, to jack with the Suns and get them to capitulate to Paul's demands.

Yes, I think the same.
They have a ton of "bad" contracts, so in reality the wouldn't spend too much money on Bledsoe's deal.
I don't like Rubio, Martin or Pekovic.None of them are starters for a playoff team in my opinion.

I think that Young is a good player and Dieng is a really good C, if we make finally a trade he should be a must. Lavine have real upside on him, it would be great to get him too.

Have to ask yourself why are the T-Wolves insiders saying their focus is on Rubio and not Bledsoe?

Yes, probably Minnesota gain some leverage over Rubio with that situation...but at the same time I think they prefer Bledsoe over Rubio and if they can have Bledsoe for his garbage they would do it in a second.
It is a win/win for Minnesota and Rich Paul....a little smokescreen.

[Christine-In-AZ]

"Hobson's Choice" ...I love it!

Good sleuthing with the Termini-Saunders connection. Kudos.

So I'm clear on your suspicions..

Do you believe this "T-Wolves would accept Bledsoe at max" is a complete sham? Saunders saying "go ahead, float it" as a favor to his agent. Then leaked only as device in PHX-Bled talks?

Or

Yes. Bledsoe would (perhaps reluctantly) agree to go to Minnesota at the max, and Saunder would actually pull the trigger, but only in crazy good deal such as- Martin/Buddinger/Barrea/Small lowering of the 1st rd protection for '15 or '16 in exchange? With Saunders pretty much knowing McD/Babby would almost surely not agreeing to it.

I think Saunders is legitimately interested in Bledsoe especially if he can dump off bad players/contracts in exchange. Who would not to acquire Beldsoe for the likes of Buddinger, Barea, Pek, Brewer or whatever other garbage they want to throw into the pot.

I see this more as a favor to his agent Termini and by association Paul, to jack with the Suns and get them to capitulate to Paul's demands.

Gotcha.

Though, I'm confused on what a compliant Saunder to the leak, or even a true desire by him for a maxed EB (+dumping do-do) , plays to the Rubio extension talks. I've heard the Wolves are thinking 10-11m for Rubio. Putting out that you're good to give Bledsoe 15-16m seems to help Rubio's argument for more $$. Then again, maybe the dual PG-CG thing is catching on quickly and Saunders wants to give it try with EB/RR despite the cost. But of course all this Bledsoe to Minny is moot unless Eric could accept going there.

[Christine-In-AZ]

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[JDLAW]

"Hobson's Choice" ...I love it!

Good sleuthing with the Termini-Saunders connection. Kudos.

So I'm clear on your suspicions..

Do you believe this "T-Wolves would accept Bledsoe at max" is a complete sham? Saunders saying "go ahead, float it" as a favor to his agent. Then leaked only as device in PHX-Bled talks?

Or

Yes. Bledsoe would (perhaps reluctantly) agree to go to Minnesota at the max, and Saunder would actually pull the trigger, but only in crazy good deal such as- Martin/Buddinger/Barrea/Small lowering of the 1st rd protection for '15 or '16 in exchange? With Saunders pretty much knowing McD/Babby would almost surely not agreeing to it.

I think Saunders is legitimately interested in Bledsoe especially if he can dump off bad players/contracts in exchange. Who would not to acquire Beldsoe for the likes of Buddinger, Barea, Pek, Brewer or whatever other garbage they want to throw into the pot.

I see this more as a favor to his agent Termini and by association Paul, to jack with the Suns and get them to capitulate to Paul's demands.

Gotcha.

Though, I'm confused on what a compliant Saunder to the leak, or even a true desire by him for a maxed EB (+dumping do-do) , plays to the Rubio extension talks. I've heard the Wolves are thinking 10-11m for Rubio. Putting out that you're good to give Bledsoe 15-16m seems to help Rubio's argument for more $$. Then again, maybe the dual PG-CG thing is catching on quickly and Saunders wants to give it try with EB/RR despite the cost. But of course all this Bledsoe to Minny is moot unless Eric could accept going there.

I do not think it does anything for their talks with Rubio.

[thamadkant]

Suns / Wolves

SUNS
IN: Wiggins (SF) + Pekovic (C) + Barea (PG)

WOLVES
IN: Bledsoe (PG/SG) + Green (SG) + Ennis (PG) + Wolves 2015 pick

I'd strongly consider.... but depending highly on how much they value Wiggins.

It'll end up Wolves trading Love for;
- Bledsoe, Green, Ennis, first round pick, Young

If Bledsoe plays like his pre-injury form... 17/6/4/2 and improve upon that.... Wolves would probably be OK.
They can then trade off Rubio for other needs...

Bledsoe, Green, Brewer, Young, Dieng would be a defensively capable exciting team. Whilst they develop Ennis, LaVine.


But if Wolves highly value Wiggins (which they should), a 3rd team may be required. (ala Bucks, Pacers, Pistons etc)

[jcsunsfan]

Do you guys think there is any chance the suns just turn around and up their offer to 4/63?

if this is true, then..


at least one NBA team thinks Bledsoe on a max is a desirable asset.

so yah, there's a chance. if he's an asset at that price, then keep him. Ryan knows whats up. whatever he decides is correct, because all the other GMs know he's the best GM. so if he says Bledsoe is an asset, he is.

Means no such thing. They will pay him the max if we take back salary on players they don't want. That's not truly paying the max.

[southern wolf]

Suns / Wolves

SUNS
IN: Wiggins (SF) + Pekovic (C) + Barea (PG)

WOLVES
IN: Bledsoe (PG/SG) + Green (SG) + Ennis (PG) + Wolves 2015 pick

I'd strongly consider.... but depending highly on how much they value Wiggins.

It'll end up Wolves trading Love for;
- Bledsoe, Green, Ennis, first round pick, Young

If Bledsoe plays like his pre-injury form... 17/6/4/2 and improve upon that.... Wolves would probably be OK.
They can then trade off Rubio for other needs...

Bledsoe, Green, Brewer, Young, Dieng would be a defensively capable exciting team. Whilst they develop Ennis, LaVine.


But if Wolves highly value Wiggins (which they should), a 3rd team may be required. (ala Bucks, Pacers, Pistons etc)

Wiggins won't be involved, that's for sure.

[Fo-Real]

No one will... your homer reporters say nothing to see here. So ok (all dramatic) BLEDSO WONT BE INVOLVED... THATS FOR SURE... (IN THE GAYEST VOICE POSSIBLE)

[lilfishi22]

Suns / Wolves

SUNS
IN: Wiggins (SF) + Pekovic (C) + Barea (PG)

WOLVES
IN: Bledsoe (PG/SG) + Green (SG) + Ennis (PG) + Wolves 2015 pick

I'd strongly consider.... but depending highly on how much they value Wiggins.

It'll end up Wolves trading Love for;
- Bledsoe, Green, Ennis, first round pick, Young

If Bledsoe plays like his pre-injury form... 17/6/4/2 and improve upon that.... Wolves would probably be OK.
They can then trade off Rubio for other needs...

Bledsoe, Green, Brewer, Young, Dieng would be a defensively capable exciting team. Whilst they develop Ennis, LaVine.


But if Wolves highly value Wiggins (which they should), a 3rd team may be required. (ala Bucks, Pacers, Pistons etc)

I'd take on all their garbage for some Wiggins. Too bad he's not getting moved

[Gorilla Warfare]

Bledsoe for Rubio/Wiggins/1st sounds good to me. Other than that Minny can go shove it.

[bwgood77]

Just caught up on posts. Agree with JD and Chris that it is all initiated by Paul's camp. They could probably get any number of teams to agree to pay him the max IF they could dump crap on the Suns.

"Brooklyn willing to pay Bledsoe max in S&T for Deron Williams (or whoever else)"

Of course teams would rather overpay a good player than be stuck in bad contracts.

Unfortunately, these tactics won't work, and that is why cap flexibility is very important these days.

I'd do the deal I outlined, but only if we felt EB was set to take QO, and I don't think he is. He will cave and end up taking 4/54 or something like that.

[sunskerr]

This report looks pretty suspicious, like others here are saying. The wolves don't have any interesting pieces besides Wiggins, which they aren't willing to part with. So they can only offer us junk and we'd be better off having Bledsoe take the QO and expiring next summer.

[RunDogGun]

This report looks pretty suspicious, like others here are saying. The wolves don't have any interesting pieces besides Wiggins, which they aren't willing to part with. So they can only offer us junk and we'd be better off having Bledsoe take the QO and expiring next summer.

Although some of Kerrsed trade idea sounds interesting, where we get Chicago involved and get Taj and LaVine, and Chicago gets KMart.

[Blackification]

This report looks pretty suspicious, like others here are saying. The wolves don't have any interesting pieces besides Wiggins, which they aren't willing to part with. So they can only offer us junk and we'd be better off having Bledsoe take the QO and expiring next summer.

This is all I needed to read from Woj's article.

Bledsoe's representatives with Klutch Sports, Rich Paul and Mark Termini, were unable to find a consequential offer sheet to force the Suns into matching a deal. Timberwolves president and coach Flip Saunders has been represented by Termini for much of his coaching career.

Nice desperate hail mary attempt. Now sign your offer or put your money where your month is and sign the QO

[Nando88]

We need a big presence down low to be successful in the west. We got killed by teams like Memphis. Pekovic is a monster. I think he'll make our team better. If we're trying to win now, Pek will help this team. Throw in Lavine and lower the protection on their pick we have, and...



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[GOGI_4_MVP]

Do you guys think there is any chance the suns just turn around and up their offer to 4/63?

they don't have to match Minny's offer...the Wolves are already over the cap so they can't sign Bledsoe to this deal as a RFA...the suns will sign Bledsoe to a 4 year 63 contract as part of a sign and trade...if they don't Bledsoe is still stuck with the 4 year 48 million...he can't get 4 63 unless the Suns make a trade with Minny

I wasnt saying technically match. A sign and trade is not the only way he can get 4/63....the Suns could just up their offer to the same thing Minnesota was offering. I know the Sun's don't have to up the offer since Minnesota can't actually sign him to an offer sheet but now that he knows there is someone else out there that thinks he is worth max money his camp REALLY isn't going to want to negotiate any lower...if the suns turn down the sign and trade and stand pat with their 4/48 offer now he is almost 100% guaranteed to sign the QO.

[NBA Fiend]

I am serious in that this is what the Wolves have proposed. But wait theres is more, the Wolves are graciously offering to change the pick protection to a certian degree.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nspus8c

Of course the Wolves would rather spend the money which they are commited to spend anyway on Bledsoe as opposed to Martin, Barea and Brewer. So now Bledsoe can say see I am worth the max just like my agent and Lebron said.

[phrazbit]

Pek would not help us against the Grizzlies of the league. He is a worse interior defender than our much maligned Gortat, he rebounds at a lesser rate than Plumlee. He gets hurt more often than Bledsoe and he does not even average half a block per game.