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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1581 » by TheKingofSting » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:36 am

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Benjamin Linus wrote:Sign me up for Zeller plus a first for Taj. Dude's always played really well when given starter minutes, plus we would easily have the number one defense with him on our team.


I'd even give them Hairston.

That might be a minor stretch, but I'd probably do it if they threw in Dunleavy. I like Zeller's and Hairston's potentials but they're replaceable. You can find guys with their skill sets every year. Gibson is the fit for us right now, and I personally think this rotation could be as good as any in the East if the Bulls and Cavs run into problems.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1582 » by Bravenewworld » Thu Sep 25, 2014 3:31 pm

I think Gibson would be an amazing fit with this team. The problem is the Bulls wont give him up for anything short of probably Stephenson and even that would be questionable.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1583 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:02 am

I think a first and Hairston and Zeller may get the job done near the deadline.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1584 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:07 am

TheKingofSting wrote:I think a first and Hairston and Zeller may get the job done near the deadline.


I just think that would be ridiculous for Gibson.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1585 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:14 am

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TheKingofSting wrote:I think a first and Hairston and Zeller may get the job done near the deadline.


I just think that would be ridiculous for Gibson.


Do you mean we would be giving too much?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1586 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:16 am

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TheKingofSting wrote:I think a first and Hairston and Zeller may get the job done near the deadline.


I just think that would be ridiculous for Gibson.


Do you mean we would be giving too much?


In my opinion absolutely.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1587 » by Elden Payton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:17 am

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TheKingofSting wrote:I think a first and Hairston and Zeller may get the job done near the deadline.


I just think that would be ridiculous for Gibson.


Do you mean we would be giving too much?


Giving away 2 prospects and a first rounder for a career backup is ridiculous imo.

If Gibson is traded, it will be to the team that lowballs the Bulls the least.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1588 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Sep 26, 2014 1:31 am

Taj Gibson is getting ridiculously overrated on here. Is he a pretty solid player? Yeah, sure. But if he is as good as some on here thinks he is he wouldn't have came off the bench for Carlos freaking Boozer and the Bulls wouldn't have went to look for an upgrade (Gasol) in the off season. I'd love to have him, but a first and Zeller is ridiculous.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1589 » by fatlever » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:26 am

we just spent the #4 and #9 picks in back to back drafts on power forwards. if we trade assets now to land a power forward to start ahead of them or the next few years, then the cho should just fire himself immediately after.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1590 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:29 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Taj Gibson is getting ridiculously overrated on here. Is he a pretty solid player? Yeah, sure. But if he is as good as some on here thinks he is he wouldn't have came off the bench for Carlos freaking Boozer and the Bulls wouldn't have went to look for an upgrade (Gasol) in the off season. I'd love to have him, but a first and Zeller is ridiculous.


What about Hairston and a first?
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1591 » by Elden Payton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:32 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:Taj Gibson is getting ridiculously overrated on here. Is he a pretty solid player? Yeah, sure. But if he is as good as some on here thinks he is he wouldn't have came off the bench for Carlos freaking Boozer and the Bulls wouldn't have went to look for an upgrade (Gasol) in the off season. I'd love to have him, but a first and Zeller is ridiculous.


Don't forget Hairston! :D

Gibson is so good that he's been playing behind Boozer for years and the bulls made signing both Gasol and Mirotic a priority.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1592 » by TheKingofSting » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:44 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:Taj Gibson is getting ridiculously overrated on here. Is he a pretty solid player? Yeah, sure. But if he is as good as some on here thinks he is he wouldn't have came off the bench for Carlos freaking Boozer and the Bulls wouldn't have went to look for an upgrade (Gasol) in the off season. I'd love to have him, but a first and Zeller is ridiculous.


Don't forget Hairston! :D

Gibson is so good that he's been playing behind Boozer for years and the bulls made signing both Gasol and Mirotic a priority.


He usually played more in crunch time than Booz.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1593 » by Elden Payton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:47 am

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Liver_Pooty wrote:Taj Gibson is getting ridiculously overrated on here. Is he a pretty solid player? Yeah, sure. But if he is as good as some on here thinks he is he wouldn't have came off the bench for Carlos freaking Boozer and the Bulls wouldn't have went to look for an upgrade (Gasol) in the off season. I'd love to have him, but a first and Zeller is ridiculous.


Don't forget Hairston! :D

Gibson is so good that he's been playing behind Boozer for years and the bulls made signing both Gasol and Mirotic a priority.


He usually played more in crunch time than Booz.


Possibly because Boozer is the worst defending big in the league.

I like Gibson and he is a good player, that said, he's far too unproven as a starter to consider giving up future assets for.

Zeller does not hold positive value at this point, which is a good reason not to give up on him after one season.

Hairston is a candidate to be traded this season imo, as much as he was a need, he is a need no longer.

I don't imagine we'll trade our first anytime soon.

Each of these "assets" could be traded, but it is my opinion that putting them all together in one package for a 28 year old backup on an inflated contract is not a great idea.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1594 » by JDR720 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:57 am

Gibson is 29
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1595 » by Elden Payton » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:07 am

JDR720 wrote:Gibson is 29


Cheers!

Definitely do not want at that price for that age.

Marv+Hairston for Gibson is about right imo.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1596 » by HornetJail » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:12 am

JDR720 wrote:Gibson is 29

Gibson is 29, but he has so few miles on his body for someone of that age. For example John Wall just turned 24 this month, has played only 3 1/2 seasons in the NBA with only one real injury, and he's got more miles on him than Taj. I think Gibson probably has the wear-and-tear of a 25-year-old, so not much. His age really doesn't bother me, given that he's still improving.

Mark me down as someone who would trade Zeller and a 1st for him in a heartbeat.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1597 » by Bravenewworld » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:12 pm

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JDR720 wrote:Gibson is 29

Gibson is 29, but he has so few miles on his body for someone of that age. For example John Wall just turned 24 this month, has played only 3 1/2 seasons in the NBA with only one real injury, and he's got more miles on him than Taj. I think Gibson probably has the wear-and-tear of a 25-year-old, so not much. His age really doesn't bother me, given that he's still improving.

Mark me down as someone who would trade Zeller and a 1st for him in a heartbeat.



Wear and tear has little to do once you reach a certain age. For most players that tends to be 32-34. There are always exceptions but we wont rely on those for now.
So lets apply that he does have low mileage, his good weight management and health lets go ahead and consider him to be on the high end of 33 or 34 before he starts to decline.
So a trade for him would give the Hornets a guy who is experienced, puts up good numbers, is in good health, plays defense and can run the floor. How long can he be productive at this? Lets say 4 - 5 years. This is already more then they will get out of their young players, most likely.
I guess to sum it all up without going on a larger rant, Zeller and a first is absolutely worth Gibson if it means the Hornets come that much closer to contending. And that is what everyone should be considering, take advantage of the East while half of the east is still in rebuild mode and the other half is injured.

I don't understand why people put so much trust in Zeller, he reminds me way too much of the Bargnari crowd. The 7 footers who score like a 2/3, rebound like a 2, defend bigs like a 2 and are not very valuable unless being used as a 7th man.... I cant even say 6th because the lack of defense is an issue.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1598 » by mrknowitall215 » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:21 pm

Bravenewworld wrote:I don't understand why people put so much trust in Zeller


I don't understand it either, but at this point it's moreso a last ditch effort of optimism, because Cody Zeller's development going into this season is the Hornets' only hope for having solid production at the PF position. Certainly Marvin Williams will be a disappointment at his pay grade over the next two seasons in my own personal beliefs

FYI, I'd trade Zeller in a package for Taj Gibson any day of the week
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1599 » by Bravenewworld » Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:15 pm

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Bravenewworld wrote:I don't understand why people put so much trust in Zeller


I don't understand it either, but at this point it's moreso a last ditch effort of optimism, because Cody Zeller's development going into this season is the Hornets' only hope for having solid production at the PF position. Certainly Marvin Williams will be a disappointment at his pay grade over the next two seasons in my own personal beliefs

FYI, I'd trade Zeller in a package for Taj Gibson any day of the week


Yah, thats what im not getting. I can understand the optimism for his development last year. But things have changed. The only real thing Zeller can develop into is a scorer and they dont need him to be that. If anything they simply need a 10ppg 10rpg B+ or better defender at that position.

Marvin will be good for the Hornets. Gives them some extra experience and allows them to go small with him and MKG on the floor, while keeping good defense.
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Re: Fake Trade Thread 2014-15 

Post#1600 » by Braggins » Sat Sep 27, 2014 10:21 am

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Bravenewworld wrote:I don't understand why people put so much trust in Zeller


I don't understand it either, but at this point it's moreso a last ditch effort of optimism, because Cody Zeller's development going into this season is the Hornets' only hope for having solid production at the PF position. Certainly Marvin Williams will be a disappointment at his pay grade over the next two seasons in my own personal beliefs

FYI, I'd trade Zeller in a package for Taj Gibson any day of the week

I would give up Zeller but not a first. What do you think is the absolute least we could add to Zeller to get Taj by the trade deadline? What about Zeller, Neal, and a 2nd round pick for Taj and filler? If they were wiling to throw in Dunleavy or Hinrich that would be really good but it would probably be E'Twaun Moore or worse if they would even consider that package.

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