Rajon Rondo breaks hand, has surgery, out indefinitely

[humblebum]

It only takes one interested team to have a big market for a guy. This hand injury is overblown he will be back in full force in no time from this. He will have a good year - whether that's a max contract year or not depends on how teams evaluate it.. but 14/6/11.

The question is do the C's want him to have a big year? I think a big year makes it more likely he goes and a bad year more likely he stays..

Of course the team wants him to have a big year! They still haven't given up on trying to improve the team rapidly and a big showing from Rondo is key to luring that next big fish.

The thing is: Rondo won't just follow the money. Not only does he fancy himself as one of the best he wants to play in a big market AND win. So there is only a small number of teams eligible. Of those teams the Celtics have a chance to position them in a competitive position relative to his western suitors in terms if both money and chance to win if he plays well.

He could take less to go to Houston or Dallas but that's likely mean throwing away legacy and taking less money. The pull of LA and Kobe is the one thing that worries me. There he could get money and fame.

Ultimately I think he ends up staying unless Boston feels strongly that Smart will be superior player in short order.

[greenroom31]

Can a Mod please change the title of this thread to "Rajon Rondo breaks hand, has surgery, out indefinitely, NL41 trolls the board"?

Thanks!

[truth18]

People with agendas should run for office. People in the real world can see through your biased BS.

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*slow claps*

Well said.

[truth18]

Teams don't want to get into a Deron Williams type contract.

You fully exposed yourself there.

I also want to point out that there is a huge difference in how people are treating this compared to when Love broke his hand a few years back. This news sucks and has me somewhat down but its not some earth shattering stuff. He'll hopefully have a swift recovery like Love did.

[BfB]

Yeah, no.

Not only could the cap go up to $70m next summer, it *will* go up to around $84m by 2017. And the risk is even further mitigated by virtue of the shorter guaranteed contracts that limits other teams to offering him only 4 years next summer.

A four year deal at the end of which Rondo would be 34.5 years old. Yeah, no.

A 4 year contract next summer would cover him from years 29.5 to 33.5, usually considered to be a player's prime.

The kid is like 16 years old, no sense in arguing on points of logic.

The question is not if Rondo is worth a "Max Deal" - assuming his standard production this year and the cap increases coming, he is. The question is is he worth it to Boston?

I think this is an impossible question to answer until we see how many of the team's current player's progress this season. Boston's current team needs could change substantially over the course of the season. This will change the look of the market relative to those changes in need.

Arguing Rondo's value today is just a time filler...

[humblebum]

All one can do is look at how it is shaping up. When you look at the potential cap jump and scan the attainable FA field, it's pretty likely IMO that Rondo will be near the top of the FA list.

Rondo is not really one of those can't miss guys though. As impactful as he can be the reality is that most coaches and organizations want/need shooting from their PG position. So whatever the "market" is shaping up in general, it may or may not pertain to Rondo's specific situation. He's a guy who will limit the field of teams on his own and other teams will have better players at his position on the team or available in free agency (Dragic).

And of course, a ton will depend on his play this year. He's an ankle turn or dispute with Brad from becoming labeled injury prone and/or a malcontent. If he isn't effective this season like he was for much of his return last season he could be an injury prone underperforming malcontent.

Basically a lot is riding on Rondo's performance this year. And how the team shapes up this season in relation to other viable suitors is also important.

We'll see how things develop but I don't think there is much reason to believe that the market for Rondo will be all that crazy. He'll likely get a few solid offers but it'll take a huge season to draw a max deal. I don't believe the Knicks will be at all interested due to incompatibility with the Triangle. And I just don't see a ton of money out West outside of LA and Sacramento (who don't project to be much more competitive in the West than the Celtics will be in the East. Dallas and Houston will be there but the Celtics will be able to offer more money and a stronger legacy.

Sure, but how crazy does it have to be for him to exceed $15m per halfway through an unprecedented cap jump in a weak FA market?

As to the cap room that will be out there, bet that 1-2 teams will create it if it means getting Rondo without having to give up much of a return. Warriors freed up $24m instantaneously last summer when they had a shot at Iguodala. Not that hard to do... Philly only received a late 2nd a few hours ago for taking on Bogans' salary.

Yeah, no one knows what is going to happen, but if one's expectation is to get a healthy Rondo at $12-14m per next summer, I think they are in for some disappointment. That's going to be 6th man money in two years.

12-14 is definitely wishful thinking... But with a poor showing or more injuries it could end up in that 13-15 million range. He'll prob end making 15-17 per. That is a reasonable deal for the Celtics to offer if Rondo plays well.

[FeedReed]

how do you guys think this effects his fantasy value? anyone still gonna go for him in the 3rd round? the good thing about this is it's his left hand. as talented and as able to use his left hand as rondo seems to be, he mainly does everything with his right hand.

[Stadium5]

FYI...not sure if this has been mentioned because I havent read this thread...but Rondo was at the trampoline park in Billerica last night. He definitely broke his hand there and is lying about breaking it in the shower

[Captain_Caveman]

A four year deal at the end of which Rondo would be 34.5 years old. Yeah, no.

A 4 year contract next summer would cover him from years 29.5 to 33.5, usually considered to be a player's prime.

The kid is like 16 years old, no sense in arguing on points of logic.

The question is not if Rondo is worth a "Max Deal" - assuming his standard production this year and the cap increases coming, he is. The question is is he worth it to Boston?

I think this is an impossible question to answer until we see how many of the team's current player's progress this season. Boston's current team needs could change substantially over the course of the season. This will change the look of the market relative to those changes in need.

Arguing Rondo's value today is just a time filler...

Definitely agree the big questions here are whether he will be healthy at year's end, and especially whether or not it will be worth it to us to pay him market value.

My point here, and I know you grasp it, is that it is in fact reasonable to make certain assumptions about how his market is shaping up, given the potential for a $70m salary cap in 2015 per smoothing, and the lack of attainable FAs in the 2015 FA market. That smoothing would give more teams more money to spend on not that many free agents, and just ahead of another $7m jump in the cap in 2016 that will further recalibrate salaries.

No one can say for sure how it will shake out, but $12-14m a year for a healthy Rondo isn't happening IMO.

[truth18]

FYI...not sure if this has been mentioned because I havent read this thread...but Rondo was at the trampoline park in Billerica last night. He definitely broke his hand there and is lying about breaking it in the shower

I knew he was lying, but this pisses me off if true

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Any info on if these pins are being removed or are permanent? If the former I'd bet it's 8+ weeks.

[Andrew McCeltic]

F************ck. That's all I have to say about this incredibly frustrating bad luck..


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[Banks2Pierce]

BTW, I think this opens up minutes for Turner more than Smart. I think Smart was going to play anyhow.

[GuyClinch]

Of course the team wants him to have a big year! They still haven't given up on trying to improve the team rapidly and a big showing from Rondo is key to luring that next big fish.

Next? Which big time free agents have the Celtics ever landed? The C"s trying to build through free agency is a folly. MA is both cold and expensive - that's two strikes right there.. Being a town where bars close at 2am and the fact that Rondo is not really a big draw - is strike 3 and 4.. <g>

C's need to build through draft and trade - like they always have..

[Fencer reregistered]

My quick reaction is to be optimistic that Rondo will swiftly get back to his former level of play, but pessimistic that his shooting will take that jump we've all been hoping for.

[SichtingLives]

BTW, I think this opens up minutes for Turner more than Smart. I think Smart was going to play anyhow.

Turner Thornton and Pressey benefit too and we benefit from it as a team If it helps "showcase" a couple players more who otherwise might not have had the opportunity

[KGboss]

You don't even know if it was a lie.

You're just speculating it was a lie because he happened to be at a trampoline park. You ever fallen in the shower? **** hurts. I can see how a hand can break if you fall the wrong way.

Hell we saw the guy completely snap his arm back in the playoffs against miami for bracing the wrong way as he was falling.

People are so quick to jump all over someone every chance you get.

Yeah, we don't know it's a lie and like I said earlier it's such a bad sounding story that that it actually makes it seem more plausible in my mind. It could all be a coincidence.

But as I'm harping on here (needless as it seems), they way they announced is what makes this a story. If my kid comes to me and tells me he saw bigfoot I don't call up the paper and say hey my kid just said he saw bigfoot...I talk to my kid again and ask him real seriously did you see Bigfoot and if he did and he doesn't go back on the story then i go out back with my camera and I try to get proof not because I don't believe him but because I know nobody else will believe him. Again, this is all about perception. You don't repeat weird stories until you can frame the story in the right way, or until you are certain they're true. It seems the people who can't understand that are the same ones who are already oriented in a certain direction already.

if the Cs just brainlessly repeated what Rondo told them, or suspected it was a cover story but went with it anyway, then damn they are amateurs. You don't knowingly repeat a lie or repeat something you don't think is true. You go back to Rondo and say "hey nobody is going to believe that, what actually happened?" and then you figure out a better way to present the truth of the situation. It's okay that you had an accident, it's okay that you may have been embarrassed and changed the location of where you fell, but what's not okay is having your employer tell the world something that both parties know is false. You gotta keep things like these in house, this is a team and you protect each other and the team.

Or he just fell in the shower, and it's not a lie.

And I really don't think falling on a trampoline is that embarrassing.

No you dont repeat stories that sounds crazy, but really a fall in the shower isn't that crazy. This isnt big foot. People die falling in the shower all the time. I wish some of these biased posters would do a google search on it and realize it's not as stupid as it seems.

And just as the circle of the lie, wheres the presumption that the Celtics PR department are walking around with their pants down all day just saying whatever they want? Point is nobody here was there, so nobody can say boo about it.

[NL41]

Ricky Rubio, Wolves Continuing Extension Talks On Possible $11M Annually
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... M-Annually

More evidence that the market for Rondo won't be in the stratosphere.

[truth18]

Ricky Rubio, Wolves Continuing Extension Talks On Possible $11M Annually
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... M-Annually

More evidence that the market for Rondo won't be in the stratosphere.

K.

Thx.

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