Offseason Thread 7: A Tale Of Two Dragons

JDLAW · Post #21 » by **JDLAW** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 8:33 pm

Flying Colors wrote:Robert sarver regrets letting joe johnson go per wiretap

I think Sarver has grown quite a bit as a owner

He has been saying this for years.

sdballer · Post #22 » by **sdballer** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 10:03 pm

SF88 wrote:I just realized that we paid Bledsoe DOUBLE what we paid IT. Bledsoe way better defender but IT is the way better shooter and also little more efficient I believe.

IT lost over $30M because he's 3 inches shorter...damn.

No he lost 30 million Becuase he's an awful defender and his selfishness, but very efficient, offensive skills only have so much value.

carey · Post #23 » by **carey** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:27 pm

sdballer wrote:No he lost 30 million Becuase he's an awful defender and his selfishness, but very efficient, offensive skills only have so much value.

His game is very similar to Kyrie's, who just got maxed out. I guess we'll see, but I really do think it's just that he's 5' 9''. They height plays into his defensive deficiencies because he gets put on the block quite frequently. I don't think of him as a selfish guy by any means either.

Post #24 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Sep 28, 2014 11:39 pm

The talent advantage is certainly on Kyrie's side but in the end, it's what you are able to produce on court that really matters, not talent. However, for young players, they are paid on talent and potential. Many evaluators would've seen IT's production then saw his height and decided he's probably very close to reaching his ceiling whereas Kyrie still has a ton of room to improve.

Sunsdeuce · Post #25 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:47 am

If you browse through the other team boards, you will see almost all of them talking about dragic. Everyone wants dragic after this season. Don't think people realize suns have plenty of money to offer him after the season. Plus dragic already hinted he would like to resign quickly.

To me it's almost a foregone conclusion that dragic is going to resign. Granted, I may be wrong but I doubt it.

So this offseason is done. Next offseason check list.
1) quickly resign dragic
2) get a quality big

Those two things happen and I will be quite happy.

Sidenote: I think there may be some small tinkering of the roster during the season. Maybe trade Ennis (toooo many PGs).

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Post #26 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:55 am

I still think Ennis was drafted to be traded.

MrMiyagi · Post #27 » by **MrMiyagi** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:00 am

lilfishi22 wrote:I still think Ennis was drafted to be traded.

I agree. I also wouldn't be surprised if IT was signed to be traded too.

Post #28 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:11 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I still think Ennis was drafted to be traded.

I agree. I also wouldn't be surprised if IT was signed to be traded too.

I think we had genuine interest in signing IT to play for the team long term and also partly as an insurance piece in case Bledsoe was moved. I don't think we're likely to trade him since our guard depth isn't particularly strong in terms of talent. After Goran, Bledsoe and IT, the talent level drops a fair bit to Ennis/Zoran/Goodwin.

That said, I could see us moving the Twins + IT for a legit big man.

Sunsdeuce · Post #29 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:20 am

Two questions:
1) who are the pg needy teams?
2) what is a reason expectation for return from an Ennis trade?

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Sunsdeuce · Post #30 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:23 am

Can confirm @TSpence26 report that #Pacers have received call from #Cavaliers. Teams discussing a Roy Hibbert trade. #NBA

viewtopic.php?t=1347003

Jake0890 wrote:The newest news is that the Cavs are offering Waiters, Brendan Haywood, and a first for Hibbert.

I don't know if I'm the pacers.

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SunsFanSSOL · Post #31 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:27 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Can confirm @TSpence26 report that #Pacers have received call from #Cavaliers. Teams discussing a Roy Hibbert trade. #NBA

Interesting. What the hell does Cleveland even have that is worth trading for? Obviously their big their are untouchable. So I guess that leaves waiters.

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I don't understand what people get out of posting fake trade rumors on twitter. TSpence is a proven fraud and isn't even a reporter, he's just some random fan. Might want to read this http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082

Sunsdeuce · Post #32 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:28 am

SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Can confirm @TSpence26 report that #Pacers have received call from #Cavaliers. Teams discussing a Roy Hibbert trade. #NBA

Interesting. What the hell does Cleveland even have that is worth trading for? Obviously their big their are untouchable. So I guess that leaves waiters.

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I don't understand what people get out of posting fake trade rumors on twitter. TSpence is a proven fraud and isn't even a reporter, he's just some random fan. Might want to read this http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082

Oh ok

I was just browsing through other boards. Saw it and figured I would post it.

Also the bucks board is entertaining. Had to go read their board after the summer long bugging of their fans or should I say Paul pressey or whatever his screenname is. Half of them think we have no future the other half think we are stacked.

viewtopic.php?t=1346529

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Fo-Real · Post #33 » by **Fo-Real** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:29 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:Can confirm @TSpence26 report that #Pacers have received call from #Cavaliers. Teams discussing a Roy Hibbert trade. #NBA

viewtopic.php?t=1347003

Jake0890 wrote:The newest news is that the Cavs are offering Waiters, Brendan Haywood, and a first for Hibbert.

I don't know if I'm the pacers.

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Andy V and Waiters maybe??? Salary dump for Indy getting rid of Hibbert's contract while getting Waiters.

SunsFanSSOL · Post #34 » by **SunsFanSSOL** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:36 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
SunsFanSSOL wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Can confirm @TSpence26 report that #Pacers have received call from #Cavaliers. Teams discussing a Roy Hibbert trade. #NBA

Interesting. What the hell does Cleveland even have that is worth trading for? Obviously their big their are untouchable. So I guess that leaves waiters.

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I don't understand what people get out of posting fake trade rumors on twitter. TSpence is a proven fraud and isn't even a reporter, he's just some random fan. Might want to read this http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082

Oh ok

I was just browsing through other boards. Saw it and figured I would post it.

Also the bucks board is entertaining. Had to go read their board after the summer long bugging of their fans or should I say Paul pressey or whatever his screenname is. Half of them think we have no future the other half think we are stacked.

viewtopic.php?t=1346529

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Yeah, some of those Bucks fans seem pretty salty they we signed Bledsoe. Some are saying we suck but they were all begging their FO sign Bledsoe for even more then we signed him for.

Frank Lee · Post #35 » by **Frank Lee** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:07 am

So let's get this straight
Bledsoe
Dragic
Thomas
Dragic
Ennis
Green
Tucker
Goodwin
CusMo
KeifMo
Tolliver
Len
Plumlee

That's guaranteed 13 guys..... Who am I missing? Two roster spots available.

Presently, we look to be a running team with hybrid lineups.... This could be a season where we will rely on our second unit to be a blitzkrieg group like the days of old... A Bell to bell, basket to basket frenetically paced squad

SideSwipe · Post #36 » by **SideSwipe** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:13 am

Frank Lee wrote:So let's get this straight
Bledsoe
Dragic
Thomas
Dragic
Ennis
Green
Tucker
Goodwin
CusMo
KeifMo
Tolliver
Len
Plumlee

That's guaranteed 13 guys..... Who am I missing? Two roster spots available.

Presently, we look to be a running team with hybrid lineups.... This could be a season where we will rely on our second unit to be a blitzkrieg group like the days of old... A Bell to bell, basket to basket frenetically paced squad

You are missing WarrMachine and Randolph

No-Man · Post #37 » by **No-Man** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:35 am

At most you can get a protected 1st for Ennis.
It was a waste of a pick, just that simple, you could've drafted McGary, Hood, trade-up, draft Nurkic instead of Warren with the 14th and pick a wing later... just a pretty bad draft.
Bogdanovic was overdrafted aswell, and Alec Brown is not even a draftable prospect and you drafted him ahead of Micic.

matt131 · Post #38 » by **matt131** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:51 am

@ESPNSteinLine: Hearing: Twin brothers Markieff & Marcus Morris closing in on contract extensions with Phoenix that could be announced as early as Monday

@ESPNSteinLine: Suns' Morris Twins are both eligible for extensions until Halloween deadline and early word is both on course to score four-year contracts

Lawson · Post #39 » by **Lawson** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:53 am

Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine)
29/09/2014 2:44 pm
Hearing: Twin brothers Markieff & Marcus Morris closing in on contract extensions with Phoenix that could be announced as early as Monday

Interesting

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Post #40 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:57 am

Fischella wrote:At most you can get a protected 1st for Ennis.
It was a waste of a pick, just that simple, you could've drafted McGary, Hood, trade-up, draft Nurkic instead of Warren with the 14th and pick a wing later... just a pretty bad draft.
Bogdanovic was overdrafted aswell, and Alec Brown is not even a draftable prospect and you drafted him ahead of Micic.

Well you never know how draft picks are going to turn out. I guess you weren't a Gary Harris fan either? I thought they'd take Hood or Harris watching it play out.

Surprised you like McGary as a potential nba guy more than Ennis. He may not be prototypical nba, but as a freshman he basically was the best piece of the #1 team country for much of the year. He is unlikely to get much of a chance ever in Phx, but he definitely seems to be a smart determined player. I'm guessing you were not high on Steph Curry out of college either?