Off Topic VI

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1821 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:54 pm

jdm3 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Fire this guy ASAP

Not if you haven't fired this guy yet!

Shula is the only one that needs to go ASAP IMO.

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BeesWax · Post #1822 » by **BeesWax** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:17 pm

BlackOutBobcat wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
JDR720 wrote:Fire this guy ASAP

Not if you haven't fired this guy yet!

Shula is the only one that needs to go ASAP IMO.

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I agree that he does but so does the man that told us Bell and Chandler were good players and that our secondary was going to do well.

amcoolio · Post #1823 » by **amcoolio** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:24 pm

Throwaway year that might end up making the playoffs anyway. I've never seen a defense this bad. How are we not ranked dead last in every category? And what the hell happened, are you telling me Hardy and Mike Mitchell are the difference of 200 yards a game and 20 points a game on D?

Its painful knowing that no matter what yards it is on 3rd down, we will let them convert.

Its going to be brutal watching Philly put up 63 points on us on Monday Night Football.

I refuse to believe the personal is what is dragging us down this much. We have more front 7 talent than the Cowboys but they are playing 10 times better than we are.

Benjamin Linus · Post #1824 » by **Benjamin Linus** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:28 pm

Carolina has a -37 point differential and is still leading the division. Damn the NFC South blows.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1825 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:31 pm

jdm3 wrote:
BlackOutBobcat wrote:
jdm3 wrote:Not if you haven't fired this guy yet!

Shula is the only one that needs to go ASAP IMO.

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I agree that he does but so does the man that told us Bell and Chandler were good players and that our secondary was going to do well.

I just don't see the point in firing a gm mid-season, unless you want someone else to manage next week's trade deadline. We tried that a couple years back when we fired Hurney mid-season, it changes nothing.

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BlackOutBuzz · Post #1826 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 9:32 pm

Benjamin Linus wrote:Carolina has a -37 point differential and is still leading the division. Damn the NFC South blows.

And we're .500. We either win close or get blown the **** out.

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predators · Post #1827 » by **predators** » Sun Oct 19, 2014 10:32 pm

Charles Johnson is playing through a hip flexor. The two games with Hardy, we only allowed 14 and 7 point, and the **** secondary held Calvin Johnson scoreless. Since then 37, 38, 24, 37, 38. This defense was built around the pass rush and we aren't getting any. Hopefully we can get a stud stud tackle or pass rush in the mid first round this year because we aren't going to have any cap room to pay for top tier FAs for awhile. Most of the money coming off the books this year will go into signing Cam. We should just rehire Chud, he could at least get points on the board. I have no idea how Mike Shula ever gets a job. The Charles Johnson (his cap hit next year is 20 million), DeAngelo, J Stew contracts, + trading a De Facto 1st rounder for Armanti Edwards are killing this team. I don't think Gettlemen has done anything super (Please Use More Appropriate Word) yet unless you can prove we could afford to Franchise Hardy and keep last years secondary and sign a stud FA Tackle. Don't mention Jordan Gross, the O-line sucked last year with him on it too. If anything its only marginally worse. Drafting Kony Ealy is looking like his worst move so far. He would have at least not signed two running backs to monster contracts (1 that wasn't even good) when the rest of the league is using the bargain bin.

amcoolio · Post #1828 » by **amcoolio** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:02 am

You can't blame Gettleman for franchising Hardy. Look how pitiful we are without Hardy. It looks like he made the right call on that one.

I'm not too fond of Gettleman myself but the reality is he is staying long term. Richardson is not going through another GM change at his age. Now when he passes and the team is either up for sale or a CEO/Morrison is put in control, then I guess anything can happen.

We just need so much. We have a QB, a MLB, a DT, a situational pass rushing DT, a TE, and a WR. 5 blue chippers. And a few years left of a good center, and 2 good kickers. 3 white chippers (2 of them the kicker and punter). Outside of that we are devoid of talent and cap strapped. We need both tackle spots. Probably at least one guard. A running back. Two speedy WR's. Two DE's (Johnson and Hardy both gone after this season). 2 OLB (Davis' tank looks out of gas). 2 more CB's (Bene will be good) and 2 safeties. Thats an assload of needs heading into next offseason, where we will be cash strapped one final time.

At least we have a QB. No one can give Cam ****. He has one NFL ready offensive lineman, no running backs and no pass catchers who can get down the field.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #1829 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:22 am

predators wrote:Charles Johnson is playing through a hip flexor. The two games with Hardy, we only allowed 14 and 7 point, and the **** secondary held Calvin Johnson scoreless. Since then 37, 38, 24, 37, 38. This defense was built around the pass rush and we aren't getting any. Hopefully we can get a stud stud tackle or pass rush in the mid first round this year because we aren't going to have any cap room to pay for top tier FAs for awhile. Most of the money coming off the books this year will go into signing Cam. We should just rehire Chud, he could at least get points on the board. I have no idea how Mike Shula ever gets a job. The Charles Johnson (his cap hit next year is 20 million), DeAngelo, J Stew contracts, + trading a De Facto 1st rounder for Armanti Edwards are killing this team. I don't think Gettlemen has done anything super (Please Use More Appropriate Word) yet unless you can prove we could afford to Franchise Hardy and keep last years secondary and sign a stud FA Tackle. Don't mention Jordan Gross, the O-line sucked last year with him on it too. If anything its only marginally worse. Drafting Kony Ealy is looking like his worst move so far. He would have at least not signed two running backs to monster contracts (1 that wasn't even good) when the rest of the league is using the bargain bin.

Hardy only played Week 1, we did well against the Lions even without him. The real issue started with Davis' hamstring injury Week 3.

We tried to stick with the nickel set with two linebackers, one being a hobbled TD: Steelers gashed us with the run.

Switched back to base 4-3, meaning we had one less DB in coverage: Ravens kill us through the air.

Davis is back but I still don't think he's 100%.

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predators · Post #1830 » by **predators** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 12:58 am

I don't have a problem with Franchising Hardy. I just think its funny some people don't understand he is taking up 12 million extra dollars of the cap when compared to last year. We can't resign Captain who is getting 3 per and Mitchell who is getting 5 per after that. Gettlemen's tenure in Carolina has looked identical to what the Giants have done. Draft d-linemen in the 1st two rounds pretty much every year, fill the secondary with bargain bin free agents. NFL is all about not overpaying players, and finding talent on the cheap.

BeesWax · Post #1831 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:23 am

BlackOutBobcat wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
BlackOutBobcat wrote:
Shula is the only one that needs to go ASAP IMO.

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I agree that he does but so does the man that told us Bell and Chandler were good players and that our secondary was going to do well.

I just don't see the point in firing a gm mid-season, unless you want someone else to manage next week's trade deadline. We tried that a couple years back when we fired Hurney mid-season, it changes nothing.

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There is not much point but firing a coach who was given this to work with is pointless as well. If we are going to fire someone just go ahead and start clearing house from the top.

BeesWax · Post #1832 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:28 am

predators wrote:I don't have a problem with Franchising Hardy. I just think its funny some people don't understand he is taking up 12 million extra dollars of the cap when compared to last year. We can't resign Captain who is getting 3 per and Mitchell who is getting 5 per after that. Gettlemen's tenure in Carolina has looked identical to what the Giants have done. Draft d-linemen in the 1st two rounds pretty much every year, fill the secondary with bargain bin free agents. NFL is all about not overpaying players, and finding talent on the cheap.

The Giants had tons of DEs and went pass rushers we went with DT and a run stopping DE. The Giants also knew they needed some OL and made that a priority. When the Giants went for secondary players they valued speed and we have not at all. Gettleman is trying to copy the Giants but he wasn't part of building them since he was not in charge of the draft nor was he GM. He is just guessing and it isn't working out well. The fact that everyone who meets him seems to hate him also hurts the team in bringing in FAs.

predators · Post #1833 » by **predators** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:52 am

jdm3 wrote:
predators wrote:I don't have a problem with Franchising Hardy. I just think its funny some people don't understand he is taking up 12 million extra dollars of the cap when compared to last year. We can't resign Captain who is getting 3 per and Mitchell who is getting 5 per after that. Gettlemen's tenure in Carolina has looked identical to what the Giants have done. Draft d-linemen in the 1st two rounds pretty much every year, fill the secondary with bargain bin free agents. NFL is all about not overpaying players, and finding talent on the cheap.

The Giants had tons of DEs and went pass rushers we went with DT and a run stopping DE. The Giants also knew they needed some OL and made that a priority. When the Giants went for secondary players they valued speed and we have not at all. Gettleman is trying to copy the Giants but he wasn't part of building them since he was not in charge of the draft nor was he GM. He is just guessing and it isn't working out well. The fact that everyone who meets him seems to hate him also hurts the team in bringing in FAs.

Bringing in FAs is the least important way of acquiring talent in the NFL especially for a team with no Cap Space. No team that kills it on paper during Free Agency is any good. Team generally don't let good players go until they aren't worth the money any more.

BeesWax · Post #1834 » by **BeesWax** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 1:55 am

predators wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
predators wrote:I don't have a problem with Franchising Hardy. I just think its funny some people don't understand he is taking up 12 million extra dollars of the cap when compared to last year. We can't resign Captain who is getting 3 per and Mitchell who is getting 5 per after that. Gettlemen's tenure in Carolina has looked identical to what the Giants have done. Draft d-linemen in the 1st two rounds pretty much every year, fill the secondary with bargain bin free agents. NFL is all about not overpaying players, and finding talent on the cheap.

The Giants had tons of DEs and went pass rushers we went with DT and a run stopping DE. The Giants also knew they needed some OL and made that a priority. When the Giants went for secondary players they valued speed and we have not at all. Gettleman is trying to copy the Giants but he wasn't part of building them since he was not in charge of the draft nor was he GM. He is just guessing and it isn't working out well. The fact that everyone who meets him seems to hate him also hurts the team in bringing in FAs.

Bringing in FAs is the least important way of acquiring talent in the NFL especially for a team with no Cap Space. No team that kills it on paper during Free Agency is any good. Team generally don't let good players go until they aren't worth the money any more.

Yet that was the job Gettleman had at NYG. He was in charge of scouting the NFL players for FA. The draft was Marc Ross the young guy we should have hired when we got a new GM.

TheKingofSting · Post #1835 » by **TheKingofSting** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:19 am

I hope we draft some safeties.

predators · Post #1836 » by **predators** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:29 am

jdm3 wrote:
predators wrote:
jdm3 wrote:The Giants had tons of DEs and went pass rushers we went with DT and a run stopping DE. The Giants also knew they needed some OL and made that a priority. When the Giants went for secondary players they valued speed and we have not at all. Gettleman is trying to copy the Giants but he wasn't part of building them since he was not in charge of the draft nor was he GM. He is just guessing and it isn't working out well. The fact that everyone who meets him seems to hate him also hurts the team in bringing in FAs.

Bringing in FAs is the least important way of acquiring talent in the NFL especially for a team with no Cap Space. No team that kills it on paper during Free Agency is any good. Team generally don't let good players go until they aren't worth the money any more.

Yet that was the job Gettleman had at NYG. He was in charge of scouting the NFL players for FA. The draft was Marc Ross the young guy we should have hired when we got a new GM.

I don't think hes the 2nd coming of Jesus or anything. I just I think we could hire the entire 49ers front office and it would take more than 2 off-seasons to sort out all the things wrong with this team. Any worst contracts in the NFL article includes more than one Panthers player and usually a couple more in the honorable mention section.

TheKingofSting · Post #1837 » by **TheKingofSting** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:34 am

At least Stewart finally looked half decent.

HornetJail · Post #1838 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:49 am

I don't give a rat's ass about this season, but our offensive line needs to make sure Cam Newton doesn't get murdered. Our OL has been so bad I'm really worried Cam's going to get hurt enough to impact future seasons.

TheKingofSting · Post #1839 » by **TheKingofSting** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:52 am

#tankforsafetyhelp

Liver_Pooty · Post #1840 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Mon Oct 20, 2014 2:54 am

This season still holds a ton of promise. We play in the worst division in the league. We can easily win the division and get a home playoff game.

And history has told us anything can happen in the playoffs, especially in the NFL. We will be fine, I just wish Hardy would get reinstated asap. Our secondary is getting destroyed due to two things. Mainly they suck, and two our defensive line is hardly getting pressure on the QB. Hardy would help enormously.