Game 3: Phoenix Suns (2-0) @ Utah Jazz (0-2)

[Revived]

And yet teams still dared him to shoot and we got blown out in those games. His defense and help defense is both pathetic, please don't bring that up like its a positive.

He was nothing but a 3pt chucker.

The guy who was "nothing but a 3PT chucker" was heavily featured in the top 5, 5-man units last season. The 5 best, 5-man units that shot the highest eFG% last season also all featured him in various front court roles as well.

Also not that you care about stats but in games where he "chucked" (+7 3pt attempts), he shot 42%.

I don't suppose you know how many times we were blown out (ie lost by 10+ points) last season would you? Seven times. A grand total of 7 times in an 82 game season. Guess how many times we blew teams out? 19 times.

Awe that's really great, yes I'm well aware of those stats, Los Soles tried to plant it into everyone's head before.

I'm sure that Frye is the reason those lineups did well, not because of Dragic's improvement or because of Hornacek's coaching or anything like that.

Frye is so good and yet how come he didn't get the MAX? Based on what I'm hearing about him from you and rsvarj and Los Soles, shouldn't Frye be getting Kobe type money?

I can't wait til Frye wins 48 games with the Magic this season. That should get Orlando a top 4 seed in the East, no?

Lol so glad that the person actually in charge (Ryan McDonough) saw past all the cute advanced stats and didn't pay him that ridiculous amount to bring him back.

I'm not gonna say Frye is the worst player or anything like that, he's a fine bench player like was back in 2010 when we made our WCFs run. He's no starter though. I was fine with bringing Frye back on a $2-$3M type deal, little bit more than what Matt Bonner makes. But hell no at what Orlando gave him.

[lilfishi22]

I'm sure that Frye is the reason those lineups did well, not because of Dragic's improvement or because of Hornacek's coaching or anything like that.

No one man makes a team. But it's no coincidence Frye was part of the lineups in which were the most successful. Hornacek's coaching is a huge part of the reason why we were able to utilise Frye's ability to stretch the floor and that in turn elevated Dragic's and Keef's game.

Frye is so good and yet how come he didn't get the MAX? Based on what I'm hearing about him from you and rsvarj and Los Soles, shouldn't Frye be getting Kobe type money?

Because that is a stupid argument. No one here (that I know of) is advocating we should've went to Frye with a blank cheque at the start of free agency. This is a retort to those completely anecdotal observations you and a few others have pulled straight outta nowhere to downplay Frye's part in our successful season last year and reduce his role to a "3pt chucker".

I can't wait til Frye wins 48 games with the Magic this season. That should get Orlando a top 4 seed in the East, no?

Once again, you can't compare what Magic does this season and what we did last season. I shouldn't need to explain to you why we can't use that comparison.

Lol so glad that the person actually in charge (Ryan McDonough) saw past all the cute advanced stats and didn't pay him that ridiculous amount to bring him back.

I'm not gonna say Frye is the worst player or anything like that, he's a fine bench player like was back in 2010 when we made our WCFs run. He's no starter though. I was fine with bringing Frye back on a $2-$3M type deal, little bit more than what Matt Bonner makes. But hell no at what Orlando gave him.

And I agree with that wholeheartedly.

[BurningHeart]

I miss Los Soles, but I don't blame him for not posting as much.

[Revived]

I'm sure that Frye is the reason those lineups did well, not because of Dragic's improvement or because of Hornacek's coaching or anything like that.

No one man makes a team. But it's no coincidence Frye was part of the lineups in which were the most successful. Hornacek's coaching is a huge part of the reason why we were able to utilise Frye's ability to stretch the floor and that in turn elevated Dragic's and Keef's game.

Frye is so good and yet how come he didn't get the MAX? Based on what I'm hearing about him from you and rsvarj and Los Soles, shouldn't Frye be getting Kobe type money?

Because that is a stupid argument. No one here (that I know of) is advocating we should've went to Frye with a blank cheque at the start of free agency. This is a retort to those completely anecdotal observations you and a few others have pulled straight outta nowhere to downplay Frye's part in our successful season last year and reduce his role to a "3pt chucker".

I can't wait til Frye wins 48 games with the Magic this season. That should get Orlando a top 4 seed in the East, no?

Once again, you can't compare what Magic does this season and what we did last season. I shouldn't need to explain to you why we can't use that comparison.

Lol so glad that the person actually in charge (Ryan McDonough) saw past all the cute advanced stats and didn't pay him that ridiculous amount to bring him back.

I'm not gonna say Frye is the worst player or anything like that, he's a fine bench player like was back in 2010 when we made our WCFs run. He's no starter though. I was fine with bringing Frye back on a $2-$3M type deal, little bit more than what Matt Bonner makes. But hell no at what Orlando gave him.

And I agree with that wholeheartedly.

Its fine, Frye is gone. There's nothing we can do about it now. You have your reasons as to why you think he's so important and I have mine as to why he's not.

[JTrain]

Guys, we have played exactly zero games with our 2014-15 starting lineup. We are going to need a sample of about 15-20 games. Until then, no one knows how big or small the loss of Frye was. Let's reconvene on this about a month from now.

[Revived]

Jazz are playing the Clippers, who have been struggling even in their wins, today and Derrick Favors right now has 4 pts on 2-4 shooting and 2 rebounds.

And its already 3rd QTR.

To put it in perspective, Favors had 23 pts and 6 rebounds in the first half vs the Suns.

Clippers are also playing on the 2nd night of a back to back.

[Zelaznyrules]

Jazz are playing the Clippers, who have been struggling even in their wins, today and Derrick Favors right now has 4 pts on 2-4 shooting and 2 rebounds.

And its already 3rd QTR.

To put it in perspective, Favors had 23 pts and 6 rebounds in the first half vs the Suns.

Clippers are also playing on the 2nd night of a back to back.

But they aren't playing in the altitude, they're in LA. Big difference. Sure, they are also much better equipped to face Utah's size than we are but most teams lose when they finish up a back to back in Utah.

[Revived]

Jazz are playing the Clippers, who have been struggling even in their wins, today and Derrick Favors right now has 4 pts on 2-4 shooting and 2 rebounds.

And its already 3rd QTR.

To put it in perspective, Favors had 23 pts and 6 rebounds in the first half vs the Suns.

Clippers are also playing on the 2nd night of a back to back.

But they aren't playing in the altitude, they're in LA. Big difference. Sure, they are also much better equipped to face Utah's size than we are but most teams lose when they finish up a back to back in Utah.

Yea but their playing indoors. I'm sure it's harder but I really doubt it's a huge difference. It's not like their playing football outdoors at Mile High Stadium.

[phrazbit]

Jazz are playing the Clippers, who have been struggling even in their wins, today and Derrick Favors right now has 4 pts on 2-4 shooting and 2 rebounds.

And its already 3rd QTR.

To put it in perspective, Favors had 23 pts and 6 rebounds in the first half vs the Suns.

Clippers are also playing on the 2nd night of a back to back.

But they aren't playing in the altitude, they're in LA. Big difference. Sure, they are also much better equipped to face Utah's size than we are but most teams lose when they finish up a back to back in Utah.

Yea but their playing indoors. I'm sure it's harder but I really doubt it's a huge difference. It's not like their playing football outdoors at Mile High Stadium.

lol... its not like the arena is pressurized. There is no difference in air density outside of the building compared to in it.

[wheezy]

Yeah... Being indoors doesn't affect the altitude they're playing at. Hence why the Suns hold their training camp in Flagstaff, coincidentally indoors....

[Zelaznyrules]

Jazz are playing the Clippers, who have been struggling even in their wins, today and Derrick Favors right now has 4 pts on 2-4 shooting and 2 rebounds.

And its already 3rd QTR.

To put it in perspective, Favors had 23 pts and 6 rebounds in the first half vs the Suns.

Clippers are also playing on the 2nd night of a back to back.

But they aren't playing in the altitude, they're in LA. Big difference. Sure, they are also much better equipped to face Utah's size than we are but most teams lose when they finish up a back to back in Utah.

Yea but their playing indoors. I'm sure it's harder but I really doubt it's a huge difference. It's not like their playing football outdoors at Mile High Stadium.

Seriously, have you never gone from the desert to high altitude and climbed a mountain or anything like that? Going from Phoenix to Salt Lake City is always a problem, doing it while playing back to back is a killer.