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Re: G7 ~ Pistons (2-4) @ Bulls (5-2) ~ 8:00 PM EST 

Post#321 » by Hotmayo » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:25 pm

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Meh, still waiting for the Pistons to land a top 3 pick.

arguably they've landed two top 3 picks in Drummond and Monroe


Drummond would be behind Davis and Lillard... But yea barley top three in his draft. Bradley Beal would be a strong case for being third best depending on how the next year or two plays out.

Monroe is Def not top three from his draft. There's John wall, Paul George, and cousins who are obviously more desired. Strong cases can be made for Hayward, favors, and Bledsoe


im not putting cousins or wall ahead of moose. its george, monroe, than whoever you want

greg at this point in his career is a 20/10 big at high efficiency. very rare to find and hes what 23?
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Re: G7 ~ Pistons (2-4) @ Bulls (5-2) ~ 8:00 PM EST 

Post#322 » by Lucidity » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:40 pm

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MotownMadness wrote:Drummond is starting too scare me out there. Hes looking better on defense at times now but where is all the intensity and highlight plays. Used to be he would just make jaw dropping plays at least 3-4 times a game now hes just there. Seriously hes playing like hes aged 10 years from last season right now. Im not sure if its the constant fear of getting called for another foul now or what but he's completely different.

I noticed when he picked up his foul on Noah, Monroe immediately ran over too him and like hugged him because he could see he just seems overwhelmed. Monroe was telling him too just calm down or something to that degree and I seen Dre with a really confused face say "I just dont know what else to do" or something along those lines. Im really thinking Stans strict system and demands just has overwhelmed because hes never been coached properly before.


You do realize Drummond would need to touch the ball in order to make those jaw dropping plays you describe right? Or are you now expecting him to just make those plays solely on put backs?

Either way, I know someone who misses Mo Cheeks, Andre Drummond. Man, & we thought he was ignored last year. Oy vey




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No its not just the touches, Hell hes probably already got more touches in 7games then he had in 40 last season. Whats always made him special was how he just creates something out of nothing. Through steals, tip ins and such. Hes just not showing that crazy intensity hes known for. He looks like a more sound player as each game passes so Stan must be making some progress though.


Well, our perimeter d has improved albeit it has been anything but consistent that minimizes Drummond's spectacular plays on d a bit.

& no clue what games you've been watching but he has been basically ignored for 90% of our games this year. They aren't even throwing him lobs anymore. It's sad to see him phased out like this as he is the sole key to us ever being great again.














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Re: G7 ~ Pistons (2-4) @ Bulls (5-2) ~ 8:00 PM EST 

Post#323 » by Lucidity » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:41 pm

DetroitSho wrote:Why are people complaining about SVG playing Smith over Moose? Isn't that what most of y'all said should happen in crunch time since this "bum" took the QO? You people actually vehemently claimed this is what should happen and now you're complaining when it actually does happen. I'm glad you all can see just how idiotic that line of thinking was now.


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Post#324 » by Billl » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:44 pm

"& no clue what games you've been watching but he has been basically ignored for 90% of our games this year. They aren't even throwing him lobs anymore. It's sad to see him phased out like this as he is the sole key to us ever being great again. "

Huh? Dre's shots are up 9.9 vs 9.5 to last year and that isn't even accounting for the fewer minutes he's played due to foul trouble. His offensive rebounding is also down, which is where his shot attempts mostly came from last year.

Dre's post ups have been WAY up this year. The thing that is down are his oop attempts in pick and roll. DJ seems to do much better in pick and pop (or getting his own shot). Jennings is getting more aggressive on that play, but he doesn't have the timing right yet. He's trying to do it all with quickness instead of really understanding how the defense is reacting. For all Bynum's faults, he was very good at drawing defenders too him on that play and then just letting dre fill in that space going to the rim.
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Re: G7 ~ Pistons (2-4) @ Bulls (5-2) ~ 8:00 PM EST 

Post#325 » by Lucidity » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:29 pm

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Meh, still waiting for the Pistons to land a top 3 pick.

arguably they've landed two top 3 picks in Drummond and Monroe


Drummond would be behind Davis and Lillard... But yea barley top three in his draft. Bradley Beal would be a strong case for being third best depending on how the next year or two plays out.

Monroe is Def not top three from his draft. There's John wall, Paul George, and cousins who are obviously more desired. Strong cases can be made for Hayward, favors, and Bledsoe


Obviously no one with any bball knowledge would take Hayward or Bledsoe over a 7 foot skilled guy like Monroe. Favors is awesome but not on the same planet as Moose.














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Post#326 » by Lucidity » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:33 pm

princeofpalace wrote:Is someone really arguing that Drummond isn't getting enough touches? LOL, the kid is getting more opportunities in the post that he's ever had and quite frankly looks horrid. I have never heard of anyone looking this raw in thier third season going on become a dominant scorer. We'd be better if we used Drummond more like he was last year with the putbacks and alley oops. Andre Drummond from 3-5 feet from the hoop usually results in an airball.

Smith had his best game of the season tonight, which isn't saying much considering how up and down he was. We were in this game, were only down 3 until he decided to jack up a 3 pointer early in the shot clock- thats why he's getting the hate. Despite looking mediocre most of the game, we couldve won but Smith makes a bonehead 3, Chicago hits a 3 on their next attempt and the game goes from 3 to 6. That moment sealed the loss for us. Even when Smith plays "well" he still hurts you with his low IQ, we just need to get rid of this guy- as long as Drummond struggles, Smith will continue to play heavy minutes and monopolize the offense- which will continue leading to losses.

Monroe once again is showing that he's our best player. He is such a consistent scorer and we can go through it down to him in the post for easy buckets. He cleans up on glass and he played the best defense on Gasol . I disagree that Monroe was gassed at the end of the game. He had played the whole quarter when he came out so I do think that needed a breather but he shouldve returned at the 2 minute mark, which would've meant he had around 5 minutes of rest included TOs. When Gregs not on the court we look like trash.

KCP not hitting his shots hurts us especially when Smith/Drummond can't buy a basket either. He looks streaky right now, we need him to be able to score consistently. I agree that having Meeks will be a tremendous boon for us since we desperately need some consistency on the perimeter.

I have no problems with Jennings being benched to end the game. He botched last nights final play trying to be the hero and looked out of control for most of the game. I like that when Jennings messes up, SVG just keeps him on the bench- its a shame that SVG doesnt do that for Smith but with Drummond looking so poor, maybe he just cannot afford to.

Also Singler finally had a good game, Augustin and Caron looked good as well. But still, we need a legit perimeter scorer- KCP hasn't been that guy this season, hopefully he can get his shot to fall soon and Meeks should provide some consistent offense as well.


If you've never seen a raw third year big (let alone at only 21 years old) you must be new to bball but just for future reference. Dwight Howard was solely dunks until around his 5th or 6th year. Most bigs take a long while, hence the reps being so vital.

Obviously an overreaction about Drummond being "an airball from 3-5 feet". Let's keep it semi factual, struggles, rushed, yes, airballs, stop it.


Spot on about Monroe tho..











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Re: G7 ~ Pistons (2-4) @ Bulls (5-2) ~ 8:00 PM EST 

Post#327 » by TurboTitan » Tue Nov 11, 2014 10:44 pm

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Mo-Town wrote:no consistent players in our team, thats a worry


Moose playing good post D on Gasol and shooting 6/11 for 12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists.

Still doesn't make him consistent. I'm talking about game to game consistency, someone you know will get the job done game in game out.
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Post#328 » by epheisey » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:02 pm

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Mo-Town wrote:no consistent players in our team, thats a worry


Moose playing good post D on Gasol and shooting 6/11 for 12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists.

Still doesn't make him consistent. I'm talking about game to game consistency, someone you know will get the job done game in game out.


What team have you been watching? Monroe is the definition of consistency. You know exactly what you're going to get every single night. Year after year. ~16ppg/~10rpg/~2apg. Every night. Every year.
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Post#329 » by bkseven » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:22 pm

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Hotmayo wrote:arguably they've landed two top 3 picks in Drummond and Monroe


Drummond would be behind Davis and Lillard... But yea barley top three in his draft. Bradley Beal would be a strong case for being third best depending on how the next year or two plays out.

Monroe is Def not top three from his draft. There's John wall, Paul George, and cousins who are obviously more desired. Strong cases can be made for Hayward, favors, and Bledsoe


im not putting cousins or wall ahead of moose. its george, monroe, than whoever you want

greg at this point in his career is a 20/10 big at high efficiency. very rare to find and hes what 23?


If you want to talk stats and age, check out wall and cousins.
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Post#330 » by bkseven » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:24 pm

Lucidity wrote:
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Hotmayo wrote:arguably they've landed two top 3 picks in Drummond and Monroe


Drummond would be behind Davis and Lillard... But yea barley top three in his draft. Bradley Beal would be a strong case for being third best depending on how the next year or two plays out.

Monroe is Def not top three from his draft. There's John wall, Paul George, and cousins who are obviously more desired. Strong cases can be made for Hayward, favors, and Bledsoe


Obviously no one with any bball knowledge would take Hayward or Bledsoe over a 7 foot skilled guy like Monroe. Favors is awesome but not on the same planet as Moose.













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That would explain why Monroe didn't get a contract, right? haha
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Post#331 » by epheisey » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:42 pm

Hotmayo wrote:im not putting cousins or wall ahead of moose. its george, monroe, than whoever you want

greg at this point in his career is a 20/10 big at high efficiency. very rare to find and hes what 23?



Cousins is easily a better player than Moose right now. He's more productive in every way.

And I would take John Wall for Monroe in about 2 seconds. That man can ball. A PG that can score at will and run the offense effectively would be huge.
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Post#332 » by Hotmayo » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:49 pm

epheisey wrote:
Hotmayo wrote:im not putting cousins or wall ahead of moose. its george, monroe, than whoever you want

greg at this point in his career is a 20/10 big at high efficiency. very rare to find and hes what 23?



Cousins is easily a better player than Moose right now. He's more productive in every way.

And I would take John Wall for Monroe in about 2 seconds. That man can ball. A PG that can score at will and run the offense effectively would be huge.


My opinion on the matter is that its harder to grab a talented big than a talented gaurd. For instance, kyle lowry, jeremy lin,dj augustin, (reggie jackson next?) were obtained without much difficulty and I see the guard pool more abundant than the big man pool.

And I like monroe because he progresses every year to be a better player. Wall and cousins had more talent when they entered he league but they havent progressed as far as they should have. Is it attitude, demeanor, work ethic? maybe.
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Post#333 » by epheisey » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:04 am

Hotmayo wrote:And I like monroe because he progresses every year to be a better player. Wall and cousins had more talent when they entered he league but they havent progressed as far as they should have. Is it attitude, demeanor, work ethic? maybe.



Outside of the improvement from year 1 to year 2, what has he done to show progress? His jumpshot hasn't gotten better, his defense is still sub par.

If you're going with Monroe because he's less of a headache, I can understand. But on the court production, he's not comparable to either of those two guys IMO.
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Post#334 » by ImHeisenberg » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:57 am

Hotmayo wrote:
im not putting cousins or wall ahead of moose. its george, monroe, than whoever you want

greg at this point in his career is a 20/10 big at high efficiency. very rare to find and hes what 23?


Moose over Wall and Cousins? That's a homer statement, 100%.


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Post#335 » by Hotmayo » Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:21 am

ImHeisenberg wrote:
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im not putting cousins or wall ahead of moose. its george, monroe, than whoever you want

greg at this point in his career is a 20/10 big at high efficiency. very rare to find and hes what 23?


Moose over Wall and Cousins? That's a homer statement, 100%.


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No. I wanted him traded. I was wrong. Hes progressed nicely.
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Post#336 » by Lucidity » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:01 am

bkseven wrote:
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Drummond would be behind Davis and Lillard... But yea barley top three in his draft. Bradley Beal would be a strong case for being third best depending on how the next year or two plays out.

Monroe is Def not top three from his draft. There's John wall, Paul George, and cousins who are obviously more desired. Strong cases can be made for Hayward, favors, and Bledsoe


Obviously no one with any bball knowledge would take Hayward or Bledsoe over a 7 foot skilled guy like Monroe. Favors is awesome but not on the same planet as Moose.













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That would explain why Monroe didn't get a contract, right? haha


Monroe didn't get a contract because he wanted to have freedom. Every team knew the Pistons would match any offer. Common sense much?

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Post#337 » by Lucidity » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:02 am

epheisey wrote:
Mo-Town wrote:
Phenomenonsense wrote:
Moose playing good post D on Gasol and shooting 6/11 for 12 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists.

Still doesn't make him consistent. I'm talking about game to game consistency, someone you know will get the job done game in game out.


What team have you been watching? Monroe is the definition of consistency. You know exactly what you're going to get every single night. Year after year. ~16ppg/~10rpg/~2apg. Every night. Every year.


Good post, a few of these guys must be watching different games. Bizarre


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Post#338 » by princeofpalace » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:41 am

Top 3 picks are overrated- just being smart with your draft pick as Dumars has done pays off 100%. Monroe/Drummond are better than a lot of guys picked before them. There are always star players to be found in the mid lottery and latter you just have to have a good scouting team, which it appears Dumars had.

For 2010: 1) George 2) Wall 3) Cousins 4) Monroe 5) Hayward 6) Favors 7) Bledsoe
For 2012: 1) Davis 2) Lillard 3) Beal 4) Drummond

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