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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#181 » by Finn » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:44 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:this whole "he isn't a pg" conversation just gets on my nerves now. its irrelevant and not even worth discussion.

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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#182 » by TroyD92 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:45 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:if we cant win with Brandon knight starting and putting up 18/7/6 on good efficiency then it means we don't have any other good players. this whole "he isn't a pg" conversation just gets on my nerves now. its irrelevant and not even worth discussion.

great offensive players don't have to play with ricky rubio or chris paul to be good. Jordon, kobe, barkley, LeBron, wade, etc, etc, etc, etc never had old school prototypical pgs next to them. the whole conversation is a crutch to defend other players on this team for not being ready to get the ball and do whatever they want with it yet.

One ball, one shot clock, one guy benefiting from Knight on ball.


nice story. convince his teammates hes a ballhog. they seem unconvinced to me.


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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#183 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:21 am

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He's a clock hog because he's got no idea what is happening on the court.


massive exaggeration and even if it were true so what. the better the other guys become the less we'll run the offense thru him anyway. as it relates to the future its a non issue.
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Post#184 » by VooDoo7 » Mon Nov 17, 2014 3:39 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
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He's a clock hog because he's got no idea what is happening on the court.


massive exaggeration and even if it were true so what. the better the other guys become the less we'll run the offense thru him anyway. as it relates to the future its a non issue.

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Post#185 » by M-C-G » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:44 pm

Soooooooooooooo;

What about Middleton and Marshall for MCW - UNDER the condition that he isn't allowed to shoot outside of the paint, and maximum attempts is 6 per game?

That would allow Knight to slide to the 2, but MCW could defend the 2. And I would think he is realistically available...

MCW, Wolters, Bayless
Knight, Mayo
Giannis, Inglis
Parker, Ersan, JOB
Sanders, Henson, ZaZa

I know he was a ball hog last year, but that team was horrendous. He also just turned 23, so young enough to grow with the core
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Post#186 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:48 pm

what about ty Lawson? any chance hes attainable?
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Post#187 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:07 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:what about ty Lawson? any chance hes attainable?

I'd have to think if we put Henson, Middleton, Knight, Wolters and 2017 1st on the table (not altogether obviously) they would listen. I'd be slightly worried about us getting too good too fast with Lawson on this team, and he's not really that young, comes with a $12m price tag, and is only controlled until 2017 iirc.
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Post#188 » by LUKE23 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:21 pm

No thanks to Lawson.
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Post#189 » by M-C-G » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:23 pm

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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:what about ty Lawson? any chance hes attainable?

I'd have to think if we put Henson, Middleton, Knight, Wolters and 2017 1st on the table (not altogether obviously) they would listen. I'd be slightly worried about us getting too good too fast with Lawson on this team, and he's not really that young, comes with a $12m price tag, and is only controlled until 2017 iirc.


He is 27, so if you figure our "window" opens up in about 4 years you are catching him on the downside of his career for sure.

A package of Dudley, Knight, Henson, Middleton for Lawson works, but that is a lot to give up if you see a couple of these guys as part of your core.

I'd probably rather just throw a ton of cash at Rondo, or try to get Jrue which I would think, cost a lot less.
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Post#190 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:26 pm

Lawson seems like the perfect pg for this team with the pace we want to play. I think a single #1 with middleton or Henson and one of our dog contracts gets it done.
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#191 » by BMatt07 » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:28 pm

MiltownHawkeye wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:what about ty Lawson? any chance hes attainable?

I'd have to think if we put Henson, Middleton, Knight, Wolters and 2017 1st on the table (not altogether obviously) they would listen. I'd be slightly worried about us getting too good too fast with Lawson on this team, and he's not really that young, comes with a $12m price tag, and is only controlled until 2017 iirc.


That's a crazy haul for Lawson.. no thanks.
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Post#192 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:32 pm

M-C-G wrote:
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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:what about ty Lawson? any chance hes attainable?

I'd have to think if we put Henson, Middleton, Knight, Wolters and 2017 1st on the table (not altogether obviously) they would listen. I'd be slightly worried about us getting too good too fast with Lawson on this team, and he's not really that young, comes with a $12m price tag, and is only controlled until 2017 iirc.


He is 27, so if you figure our "window" opens up in about 4 years you are catching him on the downside of his career for sure.


win now move still makes sense with him. hes got 5-6 more solid years and hed be that developmental leader type of pg this board is craving
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#193 » by raferfenix » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:36 pm

Wow, Denver seems to be a dumpster fire of a franchise at the moment:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11865 ... ppointment

There's plenty of precedent in recent seasons for NBA teams to usher in a new era with first-time, often very young executives and coaches. Yet there's a material difference between the blueprint in Orlando, Philadelphia and Phoenix and the strategy in Denver. The Sixers are flirting with the salary floor, while Orlando and Phoenix have committed well short of $60 million this season. In contrast, the Nuggets' payroll ranks squarely in the top 10, and the team has a corporate imperative to win basketball games. The Suns have managed to straddle the line between frugality and success, but they've simply been far more resourceful, more faithful to an organizational vision and have better taste in basketball players. What we call an embarrassment of riches in Phoenix's backcourt we call a logjam in Denver's frontcourt. The difference is method versus madness.

Kroenke conveys an awareness of all this but dismisses any suggestion that the Nuggets would be better off holding a fire sale. Quite the contrary, the Nuggets have pledged to their fans they're in it to win.


This seems like the kind of situation Hammond should be trying to take advantage of.

Don't know too much about Lawson. What do we think of his game and trade value?

And anyone / anything else on the Nuggets that might be of interest if / when they shake it up?
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Re: Trade Targets 

Post#194 » by buckboy » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:14 pm

An MCW/Knight backcourt would give me a brain bleed.
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Post#195 » by Baddy Chuck » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:21 pm

I'd be fine with Lawson but I'd really only revisit the idea at the deadline or ideally the offseason.
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Post#196 » by Miasma » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:48 pm

This bleacher report-esque site predicts we trade Dudley to the Raps at the deadline

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/10/3 ... 2#slide_15
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Post#197 » by MiltownHawkeye » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:52 pm

BMatt07 wrote:
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GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:what about ty Lawson? any chance hes attainable?

I'd have to think if we put Henson, Middleton, Knight, Wolters and 2017 1st on the table (not altogether obviously) they would listen. I'd be slightly worried about us getting too good too fast with Lawson on this team, and he's not really that young, comes with a $12m price tag, and is only controlled until 2017 iirc.


That's a crazy haul for Lawson.. no thanks.

Thats why I said "not altogether obviously."
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Post#198 » by CanadaBucks » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:52 pm

Ty Lawson has seen both his FG% and 3P% decrease almost every year he has been in the NBA up to the present. His FG% has gone .515, .503,.488, .461 and .431 and the 3P% has gone .410, .404, .365, .366(the only non-decrease), and .356. As well his turnovers have increased every year.

Just under 26m over the next two seasons after this, think I'd take a pass
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Post#199 » by CanadaBucks » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:53 pm

Miasma wrote:This bleacher report-esque site predicts we trade Dudley to the Raps at the deadline

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/10/3 ... 2#slide_15


I think the one type of player the Raps need is a defensive, rim-protecting centre although I do think Dudley would help them more than Landry Fields.
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Post#200 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:05 pm

CanadaBucks wrote:
Miasma wrote:This bleacher report-esque site predicts we trade Dudley to the Raps at the deadline

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2014/10/3 ... 2#slide_15


I think the one type of player the Raps need is a defensive, rim-protecting centre although I do think Dudley would help them more than Landry Fields.


Henson + Middleton for Terrence Ross + Landry Fields :nod:

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