Official Trade Thread: Two drink minimum

[Saberestar]

We need to take advantage of the Derrick Rose injury situation.

Like I mentioned on the trade board, IT for Gibson.

Gibson is one of the better leaders and one of the best defensive PFs in this league. He can also hit from mid range well which should help with spacing. Kieff could return to the 6th man position so that his defensive shortcomings won't be as obvious.

We may even be able to run with Kieff and Gibson at the 4 & 5 when playing small ball in spurts.

Chicago gets a relatively cheap solution for their pg issues.

I would do this trade, but I doubt they are interested because they have Aaron Brooks to play that role.

I think the difference between IT and Brooks is somewhat similar to IT and Ish.

IT's just a lot better than those guys especially on a team like that which can mask all his defensive shortcomings while allowing him to get buckets without having to worry about sharing the ball or anything. Butler is the only other Bull who is healthy and a scorer.

I agree with you about that, Isaiah is better than Aaron Brooks...but Thibodeau has the structure of his team very clear and he doesn't need that kind of player (small scoring PG mediocre defender) to play 30 minutes per game. In the last few years, they have had Nate Robinson, D.J. Augustin and now Aaron Brooks to play behind Hinrich (and of course Rose when healthy). They are an oriented defensive's team, so Hinrich will play a lot of minutes over any other better scorer.
They have enough with Aaron Brooks who is very capable of putting 15 points any given night in a few minutes.

Hopefully they change their mind and trade us Gibson...he is a heck of a player.

[nevetsov]

I think both Goran and Bledsoe have more long term value than Thomas. Thomas is a gunner, a very good one but a gunner at best. IMO Thomas is a short term guy. A guy who McD brought in to continue the dual-PG game.

In terms of our ability to sign FA's in the future...I don't think it would be affected. We signed Childress to a massive deal and yet we didn't use him. It didn't affect our ability to sign Goran or IT. And FWIW, I think we sold Thomas on false promises. At the point of his signing, it wasn't looking like Bledsoe would resign and we started looking at IT as the replacement. Long story short, Bledsoe got resigned and IT moved to the bench. There's no chance he would've signed with us with a potential starting role with LA if he knew he would be backing up Bledsoe/Dragic

Give the season IT had last year, I'd be hesitant to say that Bled @$14m or Dragić @$14m would be more valuable than Thomas @$7m. Especially when you figure that most teams have already committed high salary to a good PG, you'd have to figure that a perennial 6moty candidate like IT would be highly regarded on that contract.

That said, you don't want to commit to both a $28m dual alpha PG system, and then another $7m to a top flight second PG. Either Thomas goes and we get a premium stretch PF, or we break up the dual PG combo.

I don't get the impression that Thomas is unhappy in his role - I think he's happy coming off the bench and being around this team, like a really high character, good locker room guy. He seems a lot more personable and even professional that say Bledsoe was over the summer. I wouldn't expect the FO to have forgotten about all that just yet, either...

[nevetsov]

^ also, I agree that you ideally don't want your sixth man gunner as your PG, especially when he is able to be exploited defensively. If we could flip Thomas without recourse (I.e. professionally) for an upgraded stretch PF, and shift the Morri back to backup SF-PF-C, we would be a significantly better team.

The same names keep coming up though; Ryan Anderson, Ibaka, Bosh, Ilyasova, maybe McRoberts, Teletovic...

[Jdiddy701]

We lose Gerald, we lose a lot of wins. Can't lose that guy.


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[bwgood77]

That is actually a very good idea.

Orlando would never do it. Dragic doesn't have trade value to get a really good player, especially a rising young star unless the team new they could re-sign him....I don't even think Orlando would do it anyway, but especially not with a guy that could leave....and you could say that about Green as well (since someone else said to throw him into the deal). Plus this would render Payton useless if they wanted the ball in Dragic's hand and they are trying to develop their young guys. Payton might be a good backup now, but they seem committed to starting him. Oladipo is probably their young cornerstone potential star.

I proposed to throw Green with Dragic to get Magic to agree to trade Oladipo.
Its a a needle in a haystack type of chance.. but Oladipo + Bledsoe + Tucker perimeter defense would be championship contender like... assuming the front court improves a lot.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be good for us long term, but Orlando wouldn't do it. I think Dragic for Bosh or LeBron or even Love would be a good move to but I'm not going to propose it because it won't happen.

Our basketball IQ would be weaker with the deal though, which may not be as important during the regular season, but come playoffs we'd get killed...if we made it.

We need to hang tight with this team and see if they figure it out. At least we've had an easy schedule. In a couple of weeks if we need to shape things us we can gauge trade interest for Thomas and maybe all the guys.

[Frank Lee]

Big guys are at a premium.
Don't see us getting one worth the bother w/o giving up Bledso or Dragic.
Maybe a minor acquisition like Henson or Illysova... I (and the Buckos board) expect one or both of those two to go.
Watch Houston w/ an 8 mill TPE snag one/someone.... they are in the market for a big too, perhaps more so than us.

[thamadkant]

I am open to trade Green for a lesser but interior player who can play some defense.

Green for Biyombo can be great for both teams, they need shooters.

Green + some late pick for Brandan Wright can be a good trade too and we can use him like a center a ton of minutes...he is a better option than Plumlee.

Green + Plumlee + Ennis

for

MKG + Biyombo

MKG has stepped it up a notch this season and only 21, Biyombo would be super as defensive big behind Len.

[lilfishi22]

Give the season IT had last year, I'd be hesitant to say that Bled @$14m or Dragić @$14m would be more valuable than Thomas @$7m. Especially when you figure that most teams have already committed high salary to a good PG, you'd have to figure that a perennial 6moty candidate like IT would be highly regarded on that contract.

That said, you don't want to commit to both a $28m dual alpha PG system, and then another $7m to a top flight second PG. Either Thomas goes and we get a premium stretch PF, or we break up the dual PG combo.

I don't get the impression that Thomas is unhappy in his role - I think he's happy coming off the bench and being around this team, like a really high character, good locker room guy. He seems a lot more personable and even professional that say Bledsoe was over the summer. I wouldn't expect the FO to have forgotten about all that just yet, either...

I agree that Bledsoe and Dragic is harder to move for their own reasons but I also think they are better players and can be starting PG's on a championship team. Which is why I think they have more long term value as they continue to develop. I've already mentioned I think Bledsoe has the talent to be a top 5 PG in the league and Dragic has proven last season, he's right on the cusp. We could always move one of Dragic or Bledsoe and run a more traditional lineup, but when has the Suns ever been a traditional team?

I don't know if Thomas is unhappy or not but I definitely feel like we sold Thomas on a bigger role than he's playing now. It may or may not lead to frustration or worse, cause an issue down the line, but it's something worth considering, especially if we're continuing to stumble with the 3-pg set up.

[nevetsov]

Ok, so Thomas it is then. End up with a rotation of:

STARTERS (1-5)
Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Tucker/ *PF*/ Len

BENCH (6-8)
Green/ Morris/ Morris
*short bench means real game time for developing youth, based on matchups:

SPOT/DEVELOPMENT MINUTES (9-13)
Ennis/ Dragic/ Warren/ Randolph/ Plumlee

D-LEAGUE (14)
Goodwin

Thomas & Tolliver for David West
Thomas for McRoberts (he can shoot 3's right?)
Thomas for Ilyasova
Thomas, Tolliver & pick/s for Ryan Anderson
Thomas & Tolliver for Teletovic & filler
Thomas & Tolliver for Frye & filler

*edit: given how much youth we already have to develop, I'd be happy to trade the Suns/Lakers pick/s if it lands us a premium stretch PF (Bosh, Ibaka, etc.). You know that Laker pick is going to be good, too.

[Revived]

Ok, so Thomas it is then. End up with a rotation of:

STARTERS (1-5)
Bledsoe/ Dragic/ Tucker/ *PF*/ Len

BENCH (6-8)
Green/ Morris/ Morris
*short bench means real game time for developing youth, based on matchups:

SPOT/DEVELOPMENT MINUTES (9-13)
Ennis/ Dragic/ Warren/ Randolph/ Plumlee

D-LEAGUE (14)
Goodwin

Thomas & Tolliver for David West
Thomas for McRoberts (he can shoot 3's right?)
Thomas for Ilyasova
Thomas, Tolliver & pick/s for Ryan Anderson
Thomas & Tolliver for Teletovic & filler
Thomas & Tolliver for Frye & filler

*edit: given how much youth we already have to develop, I'd be happy to trade the Suns/Lakers pick/s if it lands us a premium stretch PF (Bosh, Ibaka, etc.). You know that Laker pick is going to be good, too.

Thomas and Tolliver for Taj Gibson. He can't shoot 3s but is good within mid range and brings much needed interior defense.

I like the David West idea too though.

[TASTIC]

Love the IT for Gibson deal, especially with Mirotic looking really solid - but doubt CHI takes that deal, Thibs wasn't exactly happy when they traded his boy Deng. BUT, with Butler likely demanding a max they're going to need to shift a deal or two.

How bout this one:

IThomas, Mayo and Ilyasova to NY

Stoudemire and Ennis to MIL

Henson and Shumpert to PHX

There's a few teams with a load of useful/underutilized/rotation guys who need to tighten their rotations and make some deals, for one reason or another.

Denver - Mozgov, Hickson, Arthur, Chandler, Foye, Afflalo, Gee - all should be on the block and all could help a good team.

Milwaukee - Henson, Ilyasova, Mayo, Middleton

New York - those expirings, Shumpert, Hardaway, Calderon - none seem to be long for NY I suspect

Orlando have a lot of players I want - would IT on their squad work? I could see him starting alongside Oladipo for them, but I guess Payton is their future there at the 1. I really like Harris, O'Quinn, Nicholson and Harkless for this Suns team.

[kennydorglas]

We need to unload that Minny 1st round pick until this has any value.
How much Charlotte love Biyombo? this pick could make it done?

For now, i'm thinking about IT + Tolliver + this pick = Ryan Anderson
we could target Gibson or Mirotic too, both would be a real upgrade for our team.

[lilfishi22]

Love the IT for Gibson deal, especially with Mirotic looking really solid - but doubt CHI takes that deal, Thibs wasn't exactly happy when they traded his boy Deng. BUT, with Butler likely demanding a max they're going to need to shift a deal or two.

How bout this one:

IThomas, Mayo and Ilyasova to NY

Stoudemire and Ennis to MIL

Henson and Shumpert to PHX

There's a few teams with a load of useful/underutilized/rotation guys who need to tighten their rotations and make some deals, for one reason or another.

Denver - Mozgov, Hickson, Arthur, Chandler, Foye, Afflalo, Gee - all should be on the block and all could help a good team.

Milwaukee - Henson, Ilyasova, Mayo, Middleton

New York - those expirings, Shumpert, Hardaway, Calderon - none seem to be long for NY I suspect

Orlando have a lot of players I want - would IT on their squad work? I could see him starting alongside Oladipo for them, but I guess Payton is their future there at the 1. I really like Harris, O'Quinn, Nicholson and Harkless for this Suns team.

One of the Bull's strength's is the depth of their front court. As well has Mirotic has looked, Taj is undoubtedly one of their key bigs. They also have Brooks as their token little guy 6th man averaging 11/3 on 46FG% and 46% from the 3, he's also being paid peanuts. If it's a money issue with a potential Butler max extension looming, trading for Thomas (7m) for Gibson (8m) doesn't really clear space.

I'm still for trying to resurrect Dragic by getting him a stretch 4. The most easily attainable is Ily.

[Marz11]

Why are you guys trading for a PF when Keef has been awesome this season? For me the biggest problem is the 3 and 5. At the 3 Marcus just isn't consistent offensively and defensively, PJ is limited and TJ needs experience. And at the 5 Plumlee is just not up to it.

[Nando88]

I think eventually McD, Babby and co. will come to a respectful agreement with Isaiah to trade him to a team that will start him


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[JDLAW]

I think eventually McD, Babby and co. will come to a respectful agreement with Isaiah to trade him to a team that will start him


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I think this is likely. Thomas wants to start and finish games. He will not do that here. My guess is that he will be a part of a trade to the East what will return front court depth.

[lilfishi22]

I think eventually McD, Babby and co. will come to a respectful agreement with Isaiah to trade him to a team that will start him


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Just hard to think of many teams that would give a gunner like Thomas a starting spot. With Sacramento he was put up great numbers but they weren't winning.

[thamadkant]

Watching Hornets / Warriors now..

Biyombo looks good.
His per 36 minutes is staggering at 10ppg 13.5rpg 3.9bpg... Ben Wallace like.

If and its a big IF, Hornets dont see him as part of their future and not willing to pay him over 7 million, Suns should trade for him. Would be perfect behind Len and he can also see minutes at PF spot as Len can nail the mid range (soon hopefully).

The type of garbage man Suns love next to 3 ball dominant players in Thomas, Dragic and Bledsoe...
I'm sure his 7'7 wingspan can allow him to finish lobs too.

We should remember Ben Wallace didnt explode until he got consistent 30 minute games when he left Orlando.

[nevetsov]

I read somewhere a while back that Shav developed a 3 point shot over the offseason... I wonder if there's a reason we haven't tried him as that defensive stretch PF? He always seemed active defensively and he doesn't seem to blow too many assignments... Could just be the small sample size though.

STARTERS: Bledsoe, Dragic, Tucker, Randolph, Len
BENCH: Thomas, Green, Morris, Morris

DEVELOPING: Ennis, Goodwin, Warren, Plumlee

[Frank Lee]

I'd trade 3/5 of our starting 5 after last night.

How long before we acknowledge the off season effort was a big gust of wind.....

Or better yet, has the FO, with their ever growing BBIQs (around here), already come to this realization? Has the ship set sail ? Its more 'manning the life boats' now. We are listing, record be damned. Drop anchor and plot a new course.

Perhaps the Admiral McDo is extra super secret smart and he bought Thomas and Bledsoe to deal? Pricey cargo.

Time to shed some ballast ?

I expect some artful tacking as we approach the mid season equator. Tree overboard.