Lakers (3-13) vs Raptors (13-3). Sunday, at Staples

[DEEP3CL]

Yo this dude LeafsRule67 is a lurker, first he's giving my post And 1's then he tries to front on his board and show his fellow Raptor fans my post criticizing their record.

[DEEP3CL]

Wow, hater much? Listen to yourself. So apparently if the Raptors beat a good/decent team, you don't give them credit and when they beat teams they SHOULD beat, you... wait for it, don't give them credit!

Anyway, good luck tonight.

You're schedule outside of 5 tough games have been like a walk in the donut shop. Munching on cream puffs....they're 2-3 against the better teams, and you want credit ?

Beat the Bulls and some west teams then maybe I'll relent, until then they should be licking off all that glaze from all the donuts they've beaten.

LOL. The mental gymnastics you're jumping through to throw that 2-3 number out your arse.

They beat CLE..."doesn't matter, CLE's finding themselves"
They beat MIL..."doesnt matter, they're finding themselves"
They lose to MIA..."well lookie here, they lose to a good team....TYPICAL"

Against playoff caliber teams (CLE/CHI/MIL/PHX/ATL/WAS/DAL/MEM/MIA), the Raps are 6-3

And look at the hoop you're jumping through to prove some type of validity to their record. They face the Cavs when they were playing like total chit. And Milwaukee and Phoenix will be trying to hang on for dear life to make the playoffs...but the Bucks are in the east so they may squeeze through. But I know one damn thing you guys won't beat the Cavs the rest of this season once they figure things out.

You man enough to say the Raptors gonna be at top of conference by New Years day ? Ahh let me answer that.....HELL NO.

[DEEP3CL]

You Rap fans can talk all the trash you want about me on your board.....but watch how you tread here. THIS AIN'T YOUR BOARD. LeafsRule67 telling you guys that I'm salty....naw bruh I speak truth and facts. Deal with it, but oh wait some can't deal with the real when it's presented to them.

Otherwise you guys wouldn't lurk our board then go back and report what I'm saying here. But the truth stings like acid otherwise you'd just laugh it off or not quote it at all if it didn't bother or strike a nerve.

Raptors record is full of cream puff wins.

[Jakay]

I gotta second that Raps fans. Just cause you recognize me from that board too doesn't mean anything. This thread is on this board for fans of the Lakeshow, not as some symptom of Raptor fever.

Keep it clean, no hitting below the belt, and stick to the Raptors board if you're here to peacock.

[VinBaker6]

You're schedule outside of 5 tough games have been like a walk in the donut shop. Munching on cream puffs....they're 2-3 against the better teams, and you want credit ?

Beat the Bulls and some west teams then maybe I'll relent, until then they should be licking off all that glaze from all the donuts they've beaten.

LOL. The mental gymnastics you're jumping through to throw that 2-3 number out your arse.

They beat CLE..."doesn't matter, CLE's finding themselves"
They beat MIL..."doesnt matter, they're finding themselves"
They lose to MIA..."well lookie here, they lose to a good team....TYPICAL"

Against playoff caliber teams (CLE/CHI/MIL/PHX/ATL/WAS/DAL/MEM/MIA), the Raps are 6-3

And look at the hoop you're jumping through to prove some type of validity to their record. They face the Cavs when they were playing like total chit. And Milwaukee and Phoenix will be trying to hang on for dear life to make the playoffs...but the Bucks are in the east so they may squeeze through. But I know one damn thing you guys won't beat the Cavs the rest of this season once they figure things out.

You man enough to say the Raptors gonna be at top of conference by New Years day ? Ahh let me answer that.....HELL NO.

The Raptors will win the East (seeding), let alone be atop at new years. They've been winning at a ridiculous rate since the Rudy Gay trade last year.

I'll sig bet you for new years though.

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[VinBaker6]

This board is cool. I'm a big Earl fan. His avi game is impeccable

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[DEEP3CL]

lol this guy on the Lakers board is so salty...

Spoiler:

"Attention my fellow Laker board brothers...since this guy Nil-the-Clean quoted me on saying the Raptors record was fools gold and EdXDavis21 quoted him saying that we can't deal with other teams being better than the Lakers. Let me take both of them to school like a real vet should.

Now the Raps are 13-3, let me show you who they've played and give you the reasons they got those wins.....

Game
1 Hawks....They won this game on opening night, and we all know Horford was now where near himself, hell he wasn't near himself against us.

2 @ Magic.....They won this game against a young east fodder team, we all know the Magic are in rebuild

3@ Heat....Oh look here a real east team and former contender....yeah that was a L

4 OKC... Got the win and got lucky because Westbrook was out and OKC was in total dysfunction

5 @ Celtics.....Damn another east team on the rebuild and they only beat the C's by 3

6 Wizards....Only second decent team and this was at home for them

7 76ers.......Need I say anything else about this win ?

8 Magic....Damn it must be nice playing in the east and you only beat them by 4 ?

9 Bulls.......Oh snap a contender and the result was....Big ass L on your home floor

10 Jazz.....Yep another young team on the rebuild, and win at home

11 Griz.....Only their 3rd game against real playoff type team, they won but the Griz are a different team on the road anyway.

12 Bucks.....A win but Bucks are just finding themselves and it's the east again

13 @ Cavs....Got win because Cavs are still finding themselves and this was during their week of total meltdown.

14 Suns....They won but only by 4 at home in what's been a home heavy schedule for them

15 @ Hawks...... Got the win, can we just say the Hawks are a treadmill team that has no clue where they're going.

16 Mavs......Look another contender that's better than them and another L for a 13-3 record.

All the losses was to teams that are better than them in the first place and they played 12 of their first 16 games at home and faces 3 cream puffs in ( Magic, 76ers and Celtics ) and got wins against teams in disarray.

When playing teams better than them their record is 2-3, and they have no signature wins against elite teams.

Now DeRozan is out for some weeks and their schedule is so home heavy, in fact starting with tonight agains the Lakers, 12 of their next 17 is on the road. And again with Demar missing what looks like 4 strong weeks or most of December and 7 of those 12 games after us are against western conference teams.

You gonna sit here and team me the Raps are gonna be at top of the east when we get to New Years day ?

Like that Clay Davis dude on the Wire use to say..... "sheeeeeeit"

I can't believe that he took that much time out of his day to put down our record

Salty ?....naw bro, I just spit fact, and oh yeah that didn't take a long time out of my day. That post only took 2 minutes to post.

[Son Goku 25]

Too late... I respect your right to have a silly opinion, and to post in in an inappropriate way. I hope you can respect my right to warn you for it.
-Kilroy

lol I respect that No worries

[Kilroy]

Yo this dude LeafsRule67 is a lurker, first he's giving my post And 1's then he tries to front on his board and show his fellow Raptor fans my post criticizing their record.

Just enjoy getting +1s Deep... As much as they shouldn't be coming to our board talking crap, there's no need to go find stuff from their board and post it here...

That said, if he does post here, he's setting himself up for a nice troll warning... As are you if you post there.

I think Jakay said it pretty well... It's a Lakers forum... A certain amount of blind optimism is good and right on this forum. If you go out of your way to come here and take offense, your a fool... And probably a fool with an fresh warning to keep you warm at night.

[DEEP3CL]

Yo this dude LeafsRule67 is a lurker, first he's giving my post And 1's then he tries to front on his board and show his fellow Raptor fans my post criticizing their record.

Just enjoy getting +1s Deep... As much as they shouldn't be coming to our board talking crap, there's no need to go find stuff from their board and post it here...

That said, if he does post here, he's setting himself up for a nice troll warning... As are you if you post there.

I think Jakay said it pretty well... It's a Lakers forum... A certain amount of blind optimism is good and right on this forum. If you go out of your way to come here and take offense, your a fool... And probably a fool with an fresh warning to keep you warm at night.

I don't mine the trash talk, but look at that ms25 post about our fans. That stuff isn't needed and furthermore it's the farthest thing from the truth. Who's spoiled here ? Basically saying dumb stuff like that is just ignorant. A good chunk of the Lakers winning was done while most here was either young kids or teenage kids.

Oh yeah I don't post on there board anyway.....it's a complete joke.

[whysoserious]

I don't understand why there's so much discrediting of the Raptors record so far.

Yes, they play in the East, yes, they've had a home heavy schedule and yes, they've gotten lucky with teams like OKC having injuries or Memphis having a lot guys sick.

At the end of the day, you can't control what's happening with other teams or what the schedule is. You just play the games in front of you. Going 13-3 is nothing to slouch at no matter what the opponents are or the schedule.

Nobody in the Raptors fanbase thinks their winning a title this year or considered one of the top contenders, that doesn't mean their record isn't something surprising and something that they should get some credit for.

Anyways, since the Lakers are my second fave team, this is gonna be a tough year on that side. Good luck the rest of the way, just not against us.

[Son Goku 25]

Yo this dude LeafsRule67 is a lurker, first he's giving my post And 1's then he tries to front on his board and show his fellow Raptor fans my post criticizing their record.

Just enjoy getting +1s Deep... As much as they shouldn't be coming to our board talking crap, there's no need to go find stuff from their board and post it here...

That said, if he does post here, he's setting himself up for a nice troll warning... As are you if you post there.

I think Jakay said it pretty well... It's a Lakers forum... A certain amount of blind optimism is good and right on this forum. If you go out of your way to come here and take offense, your a fool... And probably a fool with an fresh warning to keep you warm at night.

I don't mine the trash talk, but look at that ms25 post about our fans. That stuff isn't needed and furthermore it's the farthest thing from the truth. Who's spoiled here ? Basically saying dumb stuff like that is just ignorant. A good chunk of the Lakers winning was done while most here was either young kids or teenage kids.

Oh yeah I don't post on there board anyway.....it's a complete joke.

lol Let's not get all serious man, I mean no harm. I'm not making any personal attacks, but its okay. I hope it's a good game and the better team comes on top. I didn't know I would get a warning for that post but I guess you learn and move on, I was just being honest, I guess I should have elaborated on my thoughts.

[jigga_man]

It's pretty obvious out of all the game threads made this year, the one that has the most trolls posting from the other teams board is the Raptors game. One of the reasons is because their board is pretty big and active but as someone who has been here for over 10 years and read and posted quite a bit over their side, there is a much larger reason.

There is a BIG inferiority complex by Raptor fans. Not all of course, but just checking these posts in this very thread you can tell how insecure they are. All you have to go back in last year's playoffs. The fans and even the president of the team were complaining about the refs before the series started. There is a big need to be accepted by the American media and any mention or lack thereof is noticed. I've seen threads made "Hey! Charles Barkley mentioned us on TNT!", rigging online polls (there was a Lakers/Wizards game and the lakers home broadcast had a poll for who was the best young player coming out of USC, among the selections were Nick Young, OJ Mayo who were in the league longer and more established and Demar Derozan who was second year player at that point, or may have been a rookie. And much to the announcers surprise and confusion, Demar won that poll.)

You have a team who wouldn't have made the playoffs last year in the West with their record be much more obnoxious this season. Expect plenty of "Raps in 4" posts and every call made against them, which happens to every team in the league get twisted into some anti-Toronto/Canada conspiracy due to their deep rooted insecure/inferiority complex.

[DEEP3CL]

I don't understand why there's so much discrediting of the Raptors record so far.

Yes, they play in the East, yes, they've had a home heavy schedule and yes, they've gotten lucky with teams like OKC having injuries or Memphis having a lot guys sick.

At the end of the day, you can't control what's happening with other teams or what the schedule is. You just play the games in front of you. Going 13-3 is nothing to slouch at no matter what the opponents are or the schedule.

Nobody in the Raptors fanbase thinks their winning a title this year or considered one of the top contenders, that doesn't mean their record isn't something surprising and something that they should get some credit for.

Anyways, since the Lakers are my second fave team, this is gonna be a tough year on that side. Good luck the rest of the way, just not against us.

It's not discrediting, it's just what I see and know of the NBA. I don't feel the Raptors are an elite team and their wins were a byproduct of who've they've face and what time they caught them. And to set the record straight, it's nothing you can do to control that. You have to play the schedule I get that, but at the same time just like in college you can get fat off playing nobody's.

But what I'm seeing from most of your fanbase, is they think the Raptors are superior to some of those teams when fact is you've caught breaks.....just admit to it and your knowledge of ball will be more believable to me.

Like the Raptor fan I challenged about them being at the top of the east by New Years, all he could come with is they will win the east seeding. C'mon are you kidding me ? Did he even look at their schedule for December ? Must less take into account that DeRozan will be out for 4-6 weeks ? By his statement it tells me he considered none of that. They're gonna be on the west coast a lot, that alone can knock them right out the number 1 spot they hold now.

I get a lot of respect from other boards here on RGM other than just my own for what I know about ball. I'm knowledgeable on the history of the game, players, coaches and other aspects of the game. I just don't spew nothing out just to be "salty" like one guy said. I call it like I see it, even with my own team. And I've stated on several nights here that we're in the dumps and most of us here know that and quite frankly accept it.

[whysoserious]

It's not discrediting, it's just what I see and know of the NBA. I don't feel the Raptors are an elite team and their wins were a byproduct of who've they've face and what time they caught them. And to set the record straight, it's nothing you can do to control that. You have to play the schedule I get that, but at the same time just like in college you can get fat off playing nobody's.

But what I'm seeing from most of you fanbase is they think the Raptors are superior to some of those teams when fact is you caught breaks.....just admit to it and your knowledge of ball will be more believable to me.

Like the Raptor fan I challenged about them being at the top of the east by New Years, all he could come with is they will win the east seeding. C'mon are you kidding me ? Did he even look at their schedule for December ? Must less take into account that DeRozan will be out for 4-6 weeks ? By his statement it tells me he considered none of that. They're gonna be on the west coast a lot, that alone can knock them right out the number 1 spot they hold now.

I get a lot of respect from other boards here on RGM other than just my own for what I know about ball. I'm knowledgeable on the history of the game, players, coaches and other aspects of the game. I just don't spew nothing out just to be "salty" like one guy said. I call it like I see it, even with my own team. And I've stated on several nights here that we're in the dumps and most of us here know that and quite frankly accept it.

When you post a post like your original one that basically discredited everyone of their wins based on opponent, said on one hand the Hawks first game was about Horford not being himself, then the second time it was about them suddenly becoming a treadmill, when you discount that they completely dismantled Washington by 20 points it seems like discrediting.

I'm not sure what the schedule ahead will turn out like. It's going to be tough. But the Raptors have not lost more than 2 in a row in over a year, they have played well out West since Rudy was traded and this team is deeper than last year. DD being out will hurt, of course it will. The schedule gets tougher and has been somewhat easy in the first 6 weeks of the season.

But going 13-3 is still not easy. Nobody looks at the Raptors as elite, not yet anyways. But if the Cavs are still finding themselves, if the Bulls continue to have these injuries then it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility the Raps may still be in first come New Years (though I expect them to fall back a little).

Either way, you have some valid points about the schedule and the teams they faced, but your original post going game by game came off as a complete discredit of everything the Raps did. This team won 65% of their games from December of last year (which includes trips west) and is on a great run this year, that is nothing to just say their record is completely inflated. They've had some things break in their favour, no doubt but they are also a good team playing good ball for almost an entire season now.

[whysoserious]

PS, I don't want to get in to a huge debate or back and forth. I usually go to other teams boards to read what's going on with the other teams when we play them. And the Lakers are my second fave team so I visit this board a bit but don't post much on other teams boards to avoid these kinds of things.

I just took your original post as taking credit away for every win and the quality wins not being recognized enough.

Good luck the rest of way, just not tonight and when you come to Toronto.

[wicked_crossova]

wow DEEP3CL, that "analysis" gave me cancer. Don't quit your day job.

[supra2k8]

I don't understand why there's so much discrediting of the Raptors record so far.

Yes, they play in the East, yes, they've had a home heavy schedule and yes, they've gotten lucky with teams like OKC having injuries or Memphis having a lot guys sick.

At the end of the day, you can't control what's happening with other teams or what the schedule is. You just play the games in front of you. Going 13-3 is nothing to slouch at no matter what the opponents are or the schedule.

Nobody in the Raptors fanbase thinks their winning a title this year or considered one of the top contenders, that doesn't mean their record isn't something surprising and something that they should get some credit for.

Anyways, since the Lakers are my second fave team, this is gonna be a tough year on that side. Good luck the rest of the way, just not against us.

It's not discrediting, it's just what I see and know of the NBA. I don't feel the Raptors are an elite team and their wins were a byproduct of who've they've face and what time they caught them. And to set the record straight, it's nothing you can do to control that. You have to play the schedule I get that, but at the same time just like in college you can get fat off playing nobody's.

But what I'm seeing from most of your fanbase, is they think the Raptors are superior to some of those teams when fact is you've caught breaks.....just admit to it and your knowledge of ball will be more believable to me.

Like the Raptor fan I challenged about them being at the top of the east by New Years, all he could come with is they will win the east seeding. C'mon are you kidding me ? Did he even look at their schedule for December ? Must less take into account that DeRozan will be out for 4-6 weeks ? By his statement it tells me he considered none of that. They're gonna be on the west coast a lot, that alone can knock them right out the number 1 spot they hold now.

I get a lot of respect from other boards here on RGM other than just my own for what I know about ball. I'm knowledgeable on the history of the game, players, coaches and other aspects of the game. I just don't spew nothing out just to be "salty" like one guy said. I call it like I see it, even with my own team. And I've stated on several nights here that we're in the dumps and most of us here know that and quite frankly accept it.

Who do you think will be top 3 teams in the East by January 1st? and who will be the top 3 at the end of the season in your opinion. I agree that Raptors had top 5 easiest schedule so far, I had them going 13-7 in their first 20 games. They did a better job with beating the teams they were suppose to and even won vs some tougher teams.

I think Raptors are worse than a lot of the fans think, and they are better than you think, probably somewhere in the middle. You mentioned they won vs OKC and MEM, OKC didn't have KD and Westbrook, MEM was missing 5 guys with a stomach flue, but they still had their big 3.

Now the loss vs Miami and Bulls both could have been wins, firstly the Heat had Wade playing, they were at home, and Raptors missed 15 free throws, which cost them the game and only lost by 5pts.

The bulls had their team as healthy has they will ever be, and Gasol played like a super star (12-19fg) and they won by 7pts and Raptors had one of their worst games of the season.

Anyways, their schedule has been easy, but they have had some good wins vs quality teams, and fyi, Raptors have the 2nd monst wins, could be 3rd now, since January 1st 2014, behind the Spurs. You can't say their schedule has been easy for that length of a period. They are just a much better team since the Rudy Gay trade, and they have gotten better during the summer with the addition of James Johnson and Lou Williams.

[Slava]

Can't wait for my boy Lin to step up in this match up.

[DEEP3CL]

It's not discrediting, it's just what I see and know of the NBA. I don't feel the Raptors are an elite team and their wins were a byproduct of who've they've face and what time they caught them. And to set the record straight, it's nothing you can do to control that. You have to play the schedule I get that, but at the same time just like in college you can get fat off playing nobody's.

But what I'm seeing from most of you fanbase is they think the Raptors are superior to some of those teams when fact is you caught breaks.....just admit to it and your knowledge of ball will be more believable to me.

Like the Raptor fan I challenged about them being at the top of the east by New Years, all he could come with is they will win the east seeding. C'mon are you kidding me ? Did he even look at their schedule for December ? Must less take into account that DeRozan will be out for 4-6 weeks ? By his statement it tells me he considered none of that. They're gonna be on the west coast a lot, that alone can knock them right out the number 1 spot they hold now.

I get a lot of respect from other boards here on RGM other than just my own for what I know about ball. I'm knowledgeable on the history of the game, players, coaches and other aspects of the game. I just don't spew nothing out just to be "salty" like one guy said. I call it like I see it, even with my own team. And I've stated on several nights here that we're in the dumps and most of us here know that and quite frankly accept it.

When you post a post like your original one that basically discredited everyone of their wins based on opponent, said on one hand the Hawks first game was about Horford not being himself, then the second time it was about them suddenly becoming a treadmill, when you discount that they completely dismantled Washington by 20 points it seems like discrediting.

I'm not sure what the schedule ahead will turn out like. It's going to be tough. But the Raptors have not lost more than 2 in a row in over a year, they have played well out West since Rudy was traded and this team is deeper than last year. DD being out will hurt, of course it will. The schedule gets tougher and has been somewhat easy in the first 6 weeks of the season.

But going 13-3 is still not easy. Nobody looks at the Raptors as elite, not yet anyways. But if the Cavs are still finding themselves, if the Bulls continue to have these injuries then it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility the Raps may still be in first come New Years (though I expect them to fall back a little).

Either way, you have some valid points about the schedule and the teams they faced, but your original post going game by game came off as a complete discredit of everything the Raps did. This team won 65% of their games from December of last year (which includes trips west) and is on a great run this year, that is nothing to just say their record is completely inflated. They've had some things break in their favour, no doubt but they are also a good team playing good ball for almost an entire season now.

Ok let's set the record straight on the Hawks statements. For one everyone knows the team is in flux and it shows in their play nightly. One night they look like they've found a formula, then the next night it looks as if they've taken 5 steps back. The Hawks have a litany of issues plaguing them and it's stunted their growth. The Hawks aren't a contender and they could miss the playoffs altogether even in a weak east. In essence I wasn't wrong on them....they're a treadmill team trying to find themselves no matter how you look at it. And it's good the Raptors caught them twice, caught the Magic twice....4 win or roughly 25% of their 13 wins against those weak teams. And they caught the Cavs during their week of disarray....yet it seems like that can't be understood. I'm not saying a team isn't suppose to take advantage of those things, but when the tables turn and those teams get better and figure things out the Raptors aren't good enough to beat a team like Cleveland when it's clicking or get their business straight. That's fact....not discrediting.

Overall the Raptors have blown a few team out, but they haven't look ultra dominate in even the games they've barely won. I'm not saying the things I am about them without having seen them play.