Bravenewworld wrote:
And as we have seen before he will still move players when it comes down to moving or losing.
He's also stated he's not looking for a quick fix, and i should restate as Detroits not giving up future assets for minimal upgrade. Rondo doesn't gurantee winning.
Rondo has helped carry the Celtics to a title as well as a finals and multiple ECFs.
I mean, im not sure what your suggesting here.
If you cant get a player who has proven to carry their team to championships, then why bother?
If you are on a rebuilding team and intentionally being sat for half the season, yet not creating a contending team then..... we ignore the players talent, accomplishments and obvious abilities?
Are you saying this team's next step is a championship?
I mean... i dunno, i really have no idea where you're going with this or why you seem to want to dismiss what we know he can do.
I am not trying to dismiss what he's done, i am just merely pointing out the truth that his Playoff and title runs are directly linked to being surrounded by 3 perenial allstars. Since that point , rondo hasn't even sniffed the finals. To say he carried any team if laughable, he was perfect compliment to the 3 players that carried the team.
During and since he has been one of the best PGs in the game (when healthy). Even this year he is putting up fantastic numbers with partial minutes and intentionally being removed when a winning situation is in place.
Okay and how has that translated to wins for Boston?
This is a PG who is one of the best in the game at getting players the ball where they are best at scoring. As we have seen with him, the more capable of player the better and no, Detroit and Bostons roster are nothing alike. Detroit has players in their prime, right out of their prime, ready to enter their prime, and the Celtics are in full rebuild mode with a bunch of players who are overproducing simply because someone has to. We wont see Sully go to the Spurs and be a near 20-10. Bradley is poor mans 6th player material on another team. Green is really the only one out of that bunch who could go someplace else and do what he is doing there.
lol, lets just leave it at Bos and Detroit both have crap rosters. Blaming Bos roster for Rondo's lack of success is really reaching. Rondo hasn't succeeded because he has flaws , such as he can't shoot and that will always hold him back.
I feel the need to point out that Detroit has had Smith for 1 full year, not 2 or 3.
Therefore enforing my point, it hasn't even been 2 years and Detroits fans based doesn't want him.
Anyway, the thing i dont get is your reaction and what you said.
I mean... happier near all-star with happier all star point guard, seems to me like it would be a positive situation for Detroit and with Smith most likely improving (even though he is not doing badly now) his team value would increase. You can like or dislike him but you disliking him is not going to make them trade him or make another team accept him in a trade, so you might as well attempt to improve the situation while he is there.
Because your unintentionally assuming you know anything about our team. I watch majority if not every game, Smith is a ready now piece, on a not so ready roster. He doesn't compliment our bigs, and the fan base has had it with him. While my personal dislike of him may not have any weight, gettin boo'd by the palace everytime he touches the ball might. Like i said, you don't know our teams situation.
BTW, My eastern team i used to root for was the Hawks and i did watch Smith for the majority of his career. Im well aware of his tendencies, pro's, con's. Yah, we can list some negatives to his play style, but at the end of the day he is still an extremely good player.
Refer to my previous comment, you don't know anything about our teams situation. Imagine smith on the hawks playing SF all year, then being moved to power forward, but still playing like a small forward. Now imagine that smith 3 years older, and that's who we have. I am one of few ppl that think smith is still a good player if he plays with in his game, and truthfully he has improved slowly over this season. HOWEVER , he's not a future piece on this team, he doesn't compliment our future pieces, and his entitled attitude has worn thin.
Honestly man, i really don't know what to say.
A roster of Rondo - Meeks - Green - Smith - Drummond being coached by Van Gundy is an ECF team, year 1. They would need some good depth players to be contenders but...whatever.
I just... i dunno. No one said Rondo is a shooter, his offensive value is ten times what it would be if he was just a shooter. I understand you feel Detroit lacks shooters but that does not mean that has to be the only thing to work on or we ignore what would be an extremely good situation for Detroit, simply because Rondo is not a shooter... that makes no sense to me.
Again you keep assuming you know anything about our team when you post, when you should just admit you know nothing which is evident from your post.
1.) we need floor spacing, SVG values shooting and 3 point shooting. Rondo is not a SVG point guard.
2.) We have 3 big man who can't score outside the paint, add 2 more players who can't space teh floor is a receipe for disaster. Our fan base is tired of watching the ball get passed to a wide open player that is spotting up outside his range.
3.) Again, your in this dream world where you think that Rondo and Green = Contenders, when they haven't done jack sh* for Bos.
4.) This would be a extremely poor situation for detroit
---We keep smith
--We become a worst shooting team
--We get more wins putting us mid lotto
*This does not make sense to detroit
How about this... You take Reggie Jackson(S+T), OKC takes Rondo(S+T) and you give Celtics Monroe. I mean... i'd be more then happy to take on a triple double machine at the point who has no problem averaging 10+apg and is an A defender.
Monroe is not giving up his birds rights, pretty sure salaries don't work, and Detroit has 2 point guards already, if we are receiving one, we should be trading another. We don't need any more guards, we need SF's and PF's that can shoot and Defend
