Official Trade Thread: New Year, New Thread, New Laughs

Ryu · Post #181 » by **Ryu** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 10:22 pm

I must say this is a very reasonable deal. Deng is clearly an upgrade (offensively) over Tucker, and I like PJ Tucker a lot. He is on a very friendly deal also which is a bonus.

jcsunsfan · Post #182 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 10:25 pm

There might be some benefits. Deng is a little bigger than Tucker. But Tucker is more efficient, especially from the 3. I don't think Cole adds anything whatsoever. The loss of Green would be significant. To call him a "slim figure" completely understates his role on this team. When he is "on" he is unstoppable--think Vinny Microwave Johnson. The only reason we consider trading Green is because we probably cannot sign him this summer. By trading Green and IT, we give up our instant scoring off the bench. I could see trading one of them, but not both of them together.

Post #183 » by **MettaWorldPanda** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 10:33 pm

jcsunsfan wrote:There might be some benefits. Deng is a little bigger than Tucker. But Tucker is more efficient, especially from the 3. I don't think Cole adds anything whatsoever. The loss of Green would be significant. To call him a "slim figure" completely understates his role on this team. When he is "on" he is unstoppable--think Vinny Microwave Johnson. The only reason we consider trading Green is because we probably cannot sign him this summer. By trading Green and IT, we give up our instant scoring off the bench. I could see trading one of them, but not both of them together.

I certainly did not mention Green in a trade proposal whatsoever. I understand that Green is a key contributor on your team. Someone mentioned that you did not need an upgrade at SF since you have Tucker and Green. I mentioned that Green seems a bit too frail for the SF spot but ideal as a big lanky two guard. The proposal is Tucker and Thomas. If anything it frees up more time for Green to get Thomas out the way. Cole would be a situational depth play behind Dragic and Bledsoe and a place holder for Ennis. Getting Tucker out the way and bringing in Deng with backups Morris and Warren provides your squad with a whole different dimension. Deng and his slashing ability could really thrive with the Dragic-Bledsoe duo.

NavLDO · Post #184 » by **NavLDO** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 11:41 pm

Frank Lee wrote:well said with an echo here.

Some have just got to give up the love affairs and move to improve. Worse case is Deng leaves and 13 mill drops off the books next yr. The above squad is much more appealing to me and is perhaps just a simple PF/C signing/trade (JO?) away from bothering the league.

I have to agree. Tucker/IT for Deng/Cole is more than fair for us. Yes, Deng costs more than PJ, but he's on a PO next year, and if we bring in more talent and/or make the playoffs this season, he's likely to re-sign. And yes, Deng provides a bigger obstacle for Warren to get on the court, but worst case, Warren only gets 15-18 minutes of playing time next year, which he'll likely need, then we can decide in 2016 to retain Deng, or allow Warren to graduate to starter minutes.

And while Cole is not as good offensively as IT, as was mentioned, he is better defensively, so with Cole/EB/Deng and Len on the court together is a strong defensive team.

Of course, McD probably doesn't make this trade as Deng is outside that "mid-20s" age at 29, but to me, it's a good trade and a better squad for us moving forward.

NaturalBuns · Post #185 » by **NaturalBuns** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:09 am

Tucker has been good now for back to back seasons. He's actually finishing in the paint this year as well. Deng at this point is unnecessary cap. No matter who bring on this team the ball is going to be dominated by the guards, Dragic/Bledsoe/IT and even green. This team needs a big who stretches the floor or rebounds

Sunsdeuce · Post #186 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:32 am

@WojYahooNBA: Cleveland pulled Dion Waiters out of the game tonight and have a deal to trade him, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

@WojYahooNBA: Possible destination for Waiters, league sources tell Yahoo Sports: Oklahoma City.

YouTube · Post #187 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:32 am

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I hear its to the Thunder.....

Sunsdeuce · Post #188 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:36 am

@WojYahooNBA: Oklahoma City guard Reggie Jackson could be part of a three-way deal for Dion Waiters, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

@WojYahooNBA: Three Cleveland players, including Waiters, on the way out, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. There's a trade call set for later tonight.

@WojYahooNBA: New York is sending J.R. Smith to Cleveland, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Cutter · Post #189 » by **Cutter** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:40 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:@WojYahooNBA: Oklahoma City guard Reggie Jackson could be part of a three-way deal for Dion Waiters, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Any word on the third team in the three-way trade?

YouTube · Post #190 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:41 am

Cutter wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:@WojYahooNBA: Oklahoma City guard Reggie Jackson could be part of a three-way deal for Dion Waiters, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

Any word on the third team in the three-way trade?

Knicks.

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RunDogGun · Post #191 » by **RunDogGun** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:42 am

Frank Lee wrote:well said with an echo here.

Some have just got to give up the love affairs and move to improve. Worse case is Deng leaves and 13 mill drops off the books next yr. The above squad is much more appealing to me and is perhaps just a simple PF/C signing/trade (JO?) away from bothering the league.

The way I was looking at it was acquiring assets, while really not losing too much, and I was responding to a proposed trade.

I like IT, but I really liked the idea where we always had either Bledsoe or Dragic on the court at all times, like we had the whole time Bledsoe was healthy last season. Plus we have enough guards to fill in the gaps. But I could understand the team maybe wanting to wait until they know for sure they have Dragic locked up before moving IT, if they even want to move him.

As for minutes, I wasn't too worried about I right now.

However, I'm completely fine with staying the course, and convincing JO to come out of retirement/watching games, since I brought that up a while ago. :wink:

YouTube · Post #192 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:44 am

RunDogGun wrote:
Frank Lee wrote:well said with an echo here.

Some have just got to give up the love affairs and move to improve. Worse case is Deng leaves and 13 mill drops off the books next yr. The above squad is much more appealing to me and is perhaps just a simple PF/C signing/trade (JO?) away from bothering the league.

The way I was looking at it was acquiring assets, while really not losing too much, and I was responding to a proposed trade. I like IT, but I really liked the idea where we always had either Bledsoe or Dragic on the court at all times, like we had the whole time Bledsoe was healthy last season. Plus we have enough guards to fill in the gaps. But I could understand the team maybe wanting to wait until they know for sure they have Dragic locked up before moving IT, if they even want to move him.

As for minutes, I wasn't too worried about I right now.

However, I'm completely fine with staying the course, and convincing JO to come out of retirement/watching games, since I brought that up a while ago.

You do realize that JO's name has been linked to REAL contenders like Dallas/HOU/LAC right? He is not coming to the Suns.

Sunsdeuce · Post #193 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:44 am

Wow have to give Phil Jackson credit. He found a sucker to take JR Smith.

@WojYahooNBA: Along with Waiters, New York is sending Iman Shumpert to the Cavaliers, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

YouTube · Post #194 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:46 am

Looks like its (so far):

JR Smith to Cleveland
Waiters to OKC
Reggie Jackson to NYC

I am also hearing Dalembert might end up in Cleveland as well. Dont know who else is trade filler....

Sunsdeuce · Post #195 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:48 am

Kerrsed wrote:Looks like its (so far):

JR Smith to Cleveland
Waiters to OKC
Reggie Jackson to NYC

I am also hearing Dalembert might end up in Cleveland as well. Dont know who else is trade filler....

Shumpert to the cavs

Sunsdeuce · Post #196 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:49 am

@SportsWhispers: What we know so far: Cavs get Shumpert and JR Smith, Knicks get Lance Thomas, Thunder get Waiters.

@SportsWhispers: Knicks will also acquire Reggie Jackson from the Thunder

Jdiddy701 · Post #197 » by **Jdiddy701** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:55 am

REALLY happy Suns did not get involved in that. Also, OKC is really messed up if Westbrook gets hurt. I think its a really bad trade for them.

BobbieL · Post #198 » by **BobbieL** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:56 am

Kerrsed wrote:Looks like its (so far):

JR Smith to Cleveland
Waiters to OKC
Reggie Jackson to NYC

I am also hearing Dalembert might end up in Cleveland as well. Dont know who else is trade filler....

So let me get this straight - you are a team with problems already and you trade for arguably the one player I would NEVER want - jR Smith. Nice work Griffin. If Waiters is a problem, that's fine. But to take on JR Smith

Also, it tells me that Reggie Jackson wanted a lot of money to the Thunder are cutting losses. And Ish Smith is killing it!!

JR Smith - that is one dude I would never want. EVER

Sunsdeuce · Post #199 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:56 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:REALLY happy Suns did not get involved in that. Also, OKC is really messed up if Westbrook gets hurt. I think its a really bad trade for them.

Yeah kinda head scratching trade on their part. The real head scratcher is the cavs trade. That trade is a self destruct trade. Just added a lot of issues to a team with with issues.

YouTube · Post #200 » by **Kerrsed** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 12:57 am

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