Otto Porter

stevemcqueen1 · Post #1661 » by **stevemcqueen1** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:36 pm

Illmatic12 wrote:I agree with you on Otto's potential. He seems like he will be a very efficient offensive player. A 6'9 SF who gets you ~16/7/4 on great efficiency with great wing defense can be more valuable than a less efficient high-scoring guard. For example I'd rather have Kawhi Leonard than Demar Derozan. So you make a good point.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about it like that.

I'm actually not sure I take Leonard over DeRozan in all situations. For a team like Toronto, I think I'd take DeRozan because I need that type of scorer. But a team like San Antonio, where I have some scorers and an advanced system which consistently gets players excellent shots, or even a team like ours where I have a shot creating PG like Wall, I take Leonard.

I'd say that "fit" dynamic might be why I prefer Otto over Oladipo. But then I also think Otto is a better shot creator than Oladipo too. Otto being so good scoring at the rim and from mid range is such a big part of his value to me. That mid range game is a rare scoring tool in a young player and it adds a dimension to the offense defenses have to account for.

I can't get over how well Otto has shot so far. He's over 60% from mid range and .714 at the rim is pretty awesome too. Plus .444 on threes. His 119 ORtg is the best on the team by far. He's essentially a rookie for us this season given how little we used him last year, and if Otto could qualify as a rookie this season like Noel, he'd be running away with the ROTY award. I can't wait to see the offense when Beal gets back and these two share the floor together. Wall is going to have some weapons.

dckingsfan · Post #1662 » by **dckingsfan** » Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:10 pm

I have Porter rated 3rd for his year's class:
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I am actually surprised by how good he is this year. I didn't expect him to gain as much strength as he did over the last year. I really didn't think he would be able to compete physically in the NBA.

Kudos OP!

Post #1663 » by **Rafael122** » Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:32 pm

Otto was playing some great D last night, I want to say that he was pretty much harassing Parsons all night.

Cyrone Torbin · Post #1664 » by **Cyrone Torbin** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 3:40 am

Trade Porter to the Jazz.

Cyrone Torbin · Post #1665 » by **Cyrone Torbin** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 3:40 am

It's been 1.3 months before any of y'all have even talked about Black Moses on this board. Do y'all even love Porter?

Wizardspride · Post #1666 » by **Wizardspride** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 3:46 am

Cyrone Torbin wrote:It's been 1.3 months before any of y'all have even talked about Black Moses on this board. Do y'all even love Porter?

I do.

In fact, I want him to start....but our coaches feel differently. :nonono:

hands11 · Post #1667 » by **hands11** » Mon Jan 5, 2015 4:18 am

Cyrone Torbin wrote:It's been 1.3 months before any of y'all have even talked about Black Moses on this board. Do y'all even love Porter?

Do you read the board.

He gets talked about often.

hands11 · Post #1668 » by **hands11** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 3:35 am

Thats what I mean by Otto stepping up.

Real nice game by Otto.

Higga · Post #1669 » by **Higga** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 5:36 pm

Porter needs to play more. He's starting to get more confident and comfortable.

Dat2U · Post #1670 » by **Dat2U** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 5:47 pm

stevemcqueen1 wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:I agree with you on Otto's potential. He seems like he will be a very efficient offensive player. A 6'9 SF who gets you ~16/7/4 on great efficiency with great wing defense can be more valuable than a less efficient high-scoring guard. For example I'd rather have Kawhi Leonard than Demar Derozan. So you make a good point.

Hmm, I hadn't thought about it like that.

I'm actually not sure I take Leonard over DeRozan in all situations. For a team like Toronto, I think I'd take DeRozan because I need that type of scorer. But a team like San Antonio, where I have some scorers and an advanced system which consistently gets players excellent shots, or even a team like ours where I have a shot creating PG like Wall, I take Leonard.

I'd say that "fit" dynamic might be why I prefer Otto over Oladipo. But then I also think Otto is a better shot creator than Oladipo too. Otto being so good scoring at the rim and from mid range is such a big part of his value to me. That mid range game is a rare scoring tool in a young player and it adds a dimension to the offense defenses have to account for.

I can't get over how well Otto has shot so far. He's over 60% from mid range and .714 at the rim is pretty awesome too. Plus .444 on threes. His 119 ORtg is the best on the team by far. He's essentially a rookie for us this season given how little we used him last year, and if Otto could qualify as a rookie this season like Noel, he'd be running away with the ROTY award. I can't wait to see the offense when Beal gets back and these two share the floor together. Wall is going to have some weapons.

I'd take Leonard over Derozan in any and every situation ... Toronto scores just fine without Derozan ... their issue is more defensively which is where Leonard has a significant advantage over Derozan in terms of impact.

dckingsfan · Post #1671 » by **dckingsfan** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 5:48 pm

Higga wrote:Porter needs to play more. He's starting to get more confident and comfortable.

I kind of like the split time with PP. I do wish PP could be the focus of the second unit and move Porter to the 1st unit. But I can't really fault Witt for that.

tontoz · Post #1672 » by **tontoz** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 6:10 pm

Higga wrote:Porter needs to play more. He's starting to get more confident and comfortable.

Problem is Webster just came back. They really need to trade Webster for someone they can use (backup big or pg).

Post #1673 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 6:19 pm

tontoz wrote:
Higga wrote:Porter needs to play more. He's starting to get more confident and comfortable.

Problem is Webster just came back. They really need to trade Webster for someone they can use (backup big or pg).

He's got to play and prove that he's returned to form before he becomes tradeable.

If Webster is truly 100% and ready to go, I think the Wizards ought to sit Butler for a few games and see if Webster can get his groove back. If he does, then lots of options open up: Webster can be traded for a shorter contract (preferably in the form of a quick backup PG), Pierce can be moved to stretch four, or Butler could be traded to a contender for a late 1st round pick (his extremely low cap number adds to his value).

nuposse04 · Post #1674 » by **nuposse04** » Tue Jan 6, 2015 6:22 pm

I still don't know why we have Porter guards 2, he can do it against some of em, but he's more suited against guys with his agility level. I like that he is gaining some confidence though and contributing well. We should be able to get more developmental minutes against the knickerbockers. He seems more adapt at knocking down 3s from the top of the circle, not so much a baseline guy, maybe we ought to focus on him taking 3s from their.

I still think he needs to focus a lot more on legs day in the coming offseason, he's definitely a bit stronger then last season, but he still needs some more girth down low.

As for Webster, i'd like to see what Nate mentioned a lil while ago, possibly cycling through Pierce, Webster and Butler. They are all either old or injury prone, so maybe rotate through them in some fashion in order to preserve for the playoffs. Ideally i'd trade Webster for a true stretch 4 (although he has an 8'10 standing reach, which is near PF level reach anyways) but we'll see what becomes available.

RustyMagoo · Post #1675 » by **RustyMagoo** » Wed Jan 7, 2015 11:56 pm

Porter starting tonight. Turn it loose, Otto!

dckingsfan · Post #1676 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jan 8, 2015 12:01 am

RustyMagoo wrote:Porter starting tonight. Turn it loose, Otto!

Let's hope he never lets it go!

Dat2U · Post #1677 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:17 pm

Alex Len is now in the starting lineup and balling meanwhile Otto gets a CD-DNP under Witt's new rotation. One team had a long term plan in place to develop their high lottery pick meanwhile we dump Otto out of the rotation for Martell Webster.

Wall is helluva player and we got some nice vets but it's appearing that we really screwed the pooch with our draft picks outside of Wall & Beal.

dobrojim · Post #1678 » by **dobrojim** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:26 pm

You're points are totally valid Dat. I do think OP should continue to play. But I don't think he's going
anywhere anytime soon and continues to be a significant part of the teams long term plans
(which is why I agree he needs minutes to continue to develop).

fishercob · Post #1679 » by **fishercob** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:39 pm

Dat2U wrote:Alex Len is now in the starting lineup and balling meanwhile Otto gets a CD-DNP under Witt's new rotation. One team had a long term plan in place to develop their high lottery pick meanwhile we dump Otto out of the rotation for Martell Webster.

Wall is helluva player and we got some nice vets but it's appearing that we really screwed the pooch with our draft picks outside of Wall & Beal.

I wouldn't write Otto's obit just yet, nor do I think it's fair to say that his DNP means anything permanent.

Webster has been absolutely putrid since his return. I think the team wants to get him into a rhythm and help him work the rust off -- most likely because they want him ready to help come playoff time, but possibly in an effort to shine him up in an effort to deal him.

Otto's having a good year and I think he'll be fine.

Dat2U · Post #1680 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:42 pm

dobrojim wrote:You're points are totally valid Dat. I do think OP should continue to play. But I don't think he's going
anywhere anytime soon and continues to be a significant part of the teams long term plans
(which is why I agree he needs minutes to continue to develop).

Problem is without consistent minutes and without putting him in a position to succeed, I don't know how he develops the confidence to the point where he can consistently help us. The guys from his class that are looking real good right now also got the opportunity/minutes to learn on the job. Otto hasn't even reached 1,000 minutes in his career yet. By comparison Ben McLemore has gotten over 3,400 minutes. Even Shabazz (who barely played last year) and Noel (who didn't play at all) have already passed the 1,000 minute mark this season. Even Solomon Hill for the Pacers, a far inferior prospect at the same position drafted #23 last year, has gotten 1,500 minutes.