Game 37: Phoenix Suns (20-16) @ Milwaukee Bucks (18-17)

[jcsunsfan]

Anyone else think Gerald Green's trade value is dropping by each game?

I wish the Suns would act asap and get something in return from him even if its a late 1st rd pick from a contender who thinks they can use him.

2-9, 0-5 from 3 for Green.

I'm saying it now, Green will be completely useless once he leaves PHX. He will go back to being a bench warmer like he was in Indiana. No other HC will give him the type of long leash that Hornacek trusts him with.

Execs around the league know exactly what Gerald Green is. I do not think his value is dropping just because he continues to play like what he is in the minutes given him.

The only reason his trade value would be dropping is that in trade he is, at best, a short term rental. And the rental period gets shorter day by day. Honestly, Gerald Green is not that highly valued as a rental anyway. Teams make big trades for rental players when they are star players. They do this either to get a leg up on other teams to resign the player, or because they can play a key role in a championship run. Gerald Green doesn't fit either situation. His trade value is quite low except as a nice secondary player included in a multiplayer trade.

So, there is no point in getting worked up about trying to trade him. If a big deal comes along for a star player, then he might be part of that deal. But on his own, keeping him now and letting him walk next summer (or signing him cheap) is as good an option as any. He seems to be a good guy in the locker room. He is funny and keeps things loose. Its obvious that Horny likes him

[NavLDO]

to be fair, we were equally inconsistent after 37 games last season, having lost to the kings, nets, and knicks. and many of the strong teams we beat this year werent nearly as good last year (toronto, golden state). difference is that we are fully healthy this time at the 37 gamr mark, where last season we still had 2 more months before bledsoe would come back.

And let's not forget that it will not take 48 wins this year to get 8th seed most likely.

The teams we've played might have been fairly easy, but look at our Road vs Home sked so far, and in the near future. We've played 21 games away, 16 games at home, and after the next 3 games it will be 24-16. After these 3 games, we get 8 straight at home, and that will just even us up, which is crazy.

Only three other teams compare to that lopsided of a sked, and two of them are the Bucks at 15 to 21, and the Magic at 16 to 21--both Eastern Conference. The closest Western Conference team is Golden St. at 17 to 22, and we ain't catching them anyway.

Not that we are so much better at home or anything, but at least it should provide them with some much needed rest. Also, we only have 6 remaining B2B games on our schedule, after already playing 9 B2B games in less than 1/2 the season.

So, while our opponents might get more difficult, there are other schedule advantages that will help even the odds, that so far, the disadvantages we've faced have evened out the somewhat easier schedule we've played.

after january we will know what our chances are this season. after minnesota the rest of the games are absolutely brutal. hopefully our homecourt advantage will be a bigger factor in those games cuz we will need it.

Oh, I don't disagree at all. If we can go just 6-6 over our next 12 games, it would have to be considered a 'win', leaving us at 27-22. Our sked in Feb evens out a bit, with more sub .500 opponents than over .500 (6-5), so hopefully we'll get back to a winning record after January.

[Revived]

Anyone else think Gerald Green's trade value is dropping by each game?

I wish the Suns would act asap and get something in return from him even if its a late 1st rd pick from a contender who thinks they can use him.

2-9, 0-5 from 3 for Green.

I'm saying it now, Green will be completely useless once he leaves PHX. He will go back to being a bench warmer like he was in Indiana. No other HC will give him the type of long leash that Hornacek trusts him with.

Execs around the league know exactly what Gerald Green is. I do not think his value is dropping just because he continues to play like what he is in the minutes given him.

The only reason his trade value would be dropping is that in trade he is, at best, a short term rental. And the rental period gets shorter day by day. Honestly, Gerald Green is not that highly valued as a rental anyway. Teams make big trades for rental players when they are star players. They do this either to get a leg up on other teams to resign the player, or because they can play a key role in a championship run. Gerald Green doesn't fit either situation. His trade value is quite low except as a nice secondary player included in a multiplayer trade.

So, there is no point in getting worked up about trying to trade him. If a big deal comes along for a star player, then he might be part of that deal. But on his own, keeping him now and letting him walk next summer (or signing him cheap) is as good an option as any. He seems to be a good guy in the locker room. He is funny and keeps things loose. Its obvious that Horny likes him

Resigning him would assure that Goodwin, Warren and Ennis don't get playing time for another season.

I highly doubt that happens.

I think a contender which needs shooting and instant offense would give up a 1st for him even though he's expiring. Someone like Memphis or Chicago.

[Revived]

Rewatching the game, Bledsoe really needs to cut down on his turnovers. I wish there could have been a clause in his contract which mandated that he loses some money for each turnover or something.

from what i saw, IT was the bigger problem last night. the milwaukee defense was noticeably bothering him. just too long.

I don't think IT played that bad.

Plus Bledsoe allowed Knight to light him up as well.

[bigfoot]

Rewatching the game, Bledsoe really needs to cut down on his turnovers. I wish there could have been a clause in his contract which mandated that he loses some money for each turnover or something.

from what i saw, IT was the bigger problem last night. the milwaukee defense was noticeably bothering him. just too long.

Uhh. 5-8 shooting, 2-2 on 3 point shots, 7-8 at the free throw line, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 19 pts, 31 minutes ... yeah they bothered the hell out of him.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

IT just can't win on the court of public opinion.

[i505]

The closest Western Conference team is Golden St. at 17 to 22, and we ain't catching them anyway.

GS has played 17 away and 15 at home. No team in the west is anywhere even close to the lop we've had in home vs away.

[schnakenpopanz]

You're entering deuce territory in terms of hating on certain players.

i don't hate him. i just don't think he fits to the style of play the suns need. he can be a good player on a bad team. he can lead a team with no intention to win it all, but he is an asset, should use his value for other teams and get something back in return.
playing kieff at center will work vs bad teams.

You ain't fooling anyone with that excuse.. I think Green could throw 15 fullcourt shots up in a row and you would still only comment on IT taking a tough fadeaway right after, criticising his shot selection. You make it too obvious when so many posts are "OMG STREETBALLAH IDIOT FOOL **** HELL RUINING THE GAME", then when people that think IT is having a horrible game look up and he has 19 points on 8 shots with a +/- of 14+. Yet no mentions of Gerald Green taking 9 shots in 16 minutes making 2, fix your bias sir.

the difference between green and thomas is. thomas is a point guard and green not. thomas should run the offense, green not. so that leaves you with the main problem getting others involved is not greens job and never will. you watched a lot of basketball right? so if you think thomas is the one to give your offense in the hands, go for it. green is a bench player and role players. thomas thinks otherwise and always stated it.

[MMyhre]

i don't hate him. i just don't think he fits to the style of play the suns need. he can be a good player on a bad team. he can lead a team with no intention to win it all, but he is an asset, should use his value for other teams and get something back in return.
playing kieff at center will work vs bad teams.

You ain't fooling anyone with that excuse.. I think Green could throw 15 fullcourt shots up in a row and you would still only comment on IT taking a tough fadeaway right after, criticising his shot selection. You make it too obvious when so many posts are "OMG STREETBALLAH IDIOT FOOL **** HELL RUINING THE GAME", then when people that think IT is having a horrible game look up and he has 19 points on 8 shots with a +/- of 14+. Yet no mentions of Gerald Green taking 9 shots in 16 minutes making 2, fix your bias sir.

the difference between green and thomas is. thomas is a point guard and green not. thomas should run the offense, green not. so that leaves you with the main problem getting others involved is not greens job and never will. you watched a lot of basketball right? so if you think thomas is the one to give your offense in the hands, go for it. green is a bench player and role players. thomas thinks otherwise and always stated it.

This team has 3 point guards, and the league is full of scoring point guards. IT is basically a mini version of Allen Iverson, he plays to his main strength which is scoring the ball.

[Revived]

No idea what this was, hopefully we never see it again

[lilfishi22]

No idea what this was, hopefully we never see it again

Kicking out his feet again. He's gotten done for that a few times this season already,

[NavLDO]

The closest Western Conference team is Golden St. at 17 to 22, and we ain't catching them anyway.

GS has played 17 away and 15 at home. No team in the west is anywhere even close to the lop we've had in home vs away.

somehow I got confused at which columns I was looking at and compared the "away" column with the "Conf" column vice "home" and "away". Sorry...but that just makes my point that much more.

[i505]

The closest Western Conference team is Golden St. at 17 to 22, and we ain't catching them anyway.

GS has played 17 away and 15 at home. No team in the west is anywhere even close to the lop we've had in home vs away.

somehow I got confused at which columns I was looking at and compared the "away" column with the "Conf" column vice "home" and "away". Sorry...but that just makes my point that much more.

Definitely.

[RunDogGun]

No idea what this was, hopefully we never see it again

Kicking out his feet again. He's gotten done for that a few times this season already,

It seems pretty clear Bayless hits him, and then tries to pull his hand away and puts it behind his back. Bayless looks like a little kid that touches something you told him not to, and tries to act like he could have never did what you knew he did. Thomas overreacts to the hit, to try and get the call. He does the same thing on screens where the offensive player moves, and hits him.

[lilfishi22]

No idea what this was, hopefully we never see it again

Kicking out his feet again. He's gotten done for that a few times this season already,

It seems pretty clear Bayless hits him, and then tries to pull his hand away and puts it behind his back. Bayless looks like a little kid that touches something you told him not to, and tries to act like he could have never did what you knew he did. Thomas overreacts to the hit, to try and get the call. He does the same thing on screens where the offensive player moves, and hits him.

There's no doubt he touches him, I'm just pointing out IT's habit of flopping his feet as got him in trouble numerous times.

[schnakenpopanz]

This team has 3 point guards, and the league is full of scoring point guards. IT is basically a mini version of Allen Iverson, he plays to his main strength which is scoring the ball.

nothing wrong with that. he can be anyone he wants to, the question here is: is thomas the player the suns need, and can they succeed with him or does he stop and block the process. i admit it, i am at times or a bit too much harsh. at the end of the game vs the timberwolves he drove and kick out the ball which lead to a good basket. if he could change his mindset, there is no problem with him.

[RunDogGun]

It seems pretty clear Bayless hits him, and then tries to pull his hand away and puts it behind his back. Bayless looks like a little kid that touches something you told him not to, and tries to act like he could have never did what you knew he did. Thomas overreacts to the hit, to try and get the call. He does the same thing on screens where the offensive player moves, and hits him.

There's no doubt he touches him, I'm just pointing out IT's habit of flopping his feet as got him in trouble numerous times.

Not much different than any other guard trying to sell actual contact. Parker and Paul are far worse. Heck Crawford makes a living doing it from the three.