Rudy Gobert: Future DPOY

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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#141 » by veji1 » Fri Jan 9, 2015 10:01 am

orlandomanic wrote:I like Len alittle more than Gobert. He is starting to have a few 5 block games and getting the feel for the NBA speed. He is becoming the defensive anchor for the Suns. He can shoot free throws at his size, great touch and he has away better offensive back to the basket game than Gobert.

I think Gobert could be another McGee or Hibbert, but i think Len has a shot at being another Noah.


I disagree, McGee is a very bad example, because he is typical of those very big guys who think they can do it all and try too much. Lots of the big men flops in the last few years have been those type of guys, 7 footers who think they can shoot the 3 ball, dribble behin the back, etc, and don't know or learn what being a true 5 means.

Gobert is the opposite of that, he is playing extremely withing himself, focussing first and foremost on his big man job (defense, blocks, rebounds, boxing out, PnR defense, pick setting on offense, crashing the offensive glass) and only in a second step trying to extend his game (that back to the basket move where he made Gasol foul him, etc...). This is what you want from your center. First do the job and then expand. The Bargnanis, the Milicics, etc. All these guys never could nor wanted to master the foundamentals of the 5 position but wanted to "play", be face up guys, etc... they never made it work.

I am not here knocking on Len or anything, I just mean to focus on Gobert here. He is doing things in the right order for a 5, and this is very good : expand your game from the bottom up, not building the roof first.
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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#142 » by MiltownHawkeye » Fri Jan 9, 2015 2:43 pm

Mr-Al wrote:Whatever Gobert's ceiling is, Alex Len's ceiling is higher.

Already showing elite defensive and shot blocking habits

Has something Gobert never will.

A smooooooth Duncan-esque jump shot from anywhere inside the 3pt. line.


Props to Gobert's defensive stats though

Lol, not even close.
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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#143 » by Ice Man » Fri Jan 9, 2015 4:40 pm

The guy can been better than Noah this year. In truth, much better. Who would have predicted that last spring?
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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#144 » by Amish Mafioso » Sat Jan 10, 2015 7:00 am

orlandomanic wrote:He will never be an all star.

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Post#145 » by Hedda Gambler » Sat Jan 10, 2015 8:15 am

4 points with 2/2 from the line, 7 rebounds, 7 blocks, 3 steals and 3 assists from Rudy tonight while holding Adams to 2 points. This guy is truly special.
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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#146 » by thamadkant » Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:50 am

Gobert and Len are future shot block leaders, moreso Gobert.

Len is clearly better offensive player, he never gets passes to him, scores all his points from put backs. When they start giving him actual plays, maybe 4-5 plays, he'll put up 15ppg... Gobert will struggle to get 10ppg.. but will put up 10ppg 7-8rpg and 3-4bpg.. still would be the league leader in shot blocks.
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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#147 » by CoreConcept » Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:26 am

1UPZ wrote:Gobert and Len are future shot block leaders, moreso Gobert.

Len is clearly better offensive player, he never gets passes to him, scores all his points from put backs. When they start giving him actual plays, maybe 4-5 plays, he'll put up 15ppg... Gobert will struggle to get 10ppg.. but will put up 10ppg 7-8rpg and 3-4bpg.. still would be the league leader in shot blocks.


Gobert's averaging like 9.8ppg in the last five games which were the first starts of his career. I agree that Len is a better offensive player, but I think Gobert can easily average 10ppg eventually.
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Post#148 » by HawaiianJazzFan » Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:35 pm

Scott Brooks after the game said that, Gobert isn't blocking jumpshots, he is blocking layups. He said that Gobert, erased 14 points by himself. I was listening to the OKC feed and the guy said "The thunder really don't ever get blocked at the rim" but they did tonight because of Gobert. In Gobert's last 5 games he is averaging:
10.0 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 5.0 bpg, 1.2 spg, 1.0 apg shooting 72% from the field

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Adams tried:


He had like 3 blocks on Westbrook's explosions to the rim but alas, I couldn't find those.

Gobert had seven blocks tonight, and it felt more like 17. Brooks: “Those are layups he’s blocking, not jumpshots. That’s 14 points he took off the board.”
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Post#149 » by Dame Lizard » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:30 pm

1UPZ wrote:Gobert and Len are future shot block leaders, moreso Gobert.

Len is clearly better offensive player, he never gets passes to him, scores all his points from put backs. When they start giving him actual plays, maybe 4-5 plays, he'll put up 15ppg... Gobert will struggle to get 10ppg.. but will put up 10ppg 7-8rpg and 3-4bpg.. still would be the league leader in shot blocks.


7-8 rebounds sounds awfully conservative given he's basically putting those numbers up in limited minutes.

As a Portland fan, I wanted us to draft him. I'm happy where he is in Utah though.
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Post#150 » by LBJKBD12 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:34 pm

Jazz have been good lately and surely it is no coincidence with Gobert beasting. Where do Jazz fans stand on Trey Burke? Imo he is a poor PG, surely he is not there future PG?.
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Post#151 » by shoefly1 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:48 pm

Saw him last night for the first time since the World Cup. He is an absolute monster. Could eventually have Mutumbo like defensive impact. Was really impressed with his court awareness and ability to stay focused.
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Post#152 » by Amish Mafioso » Sat Jan 10, 2015 1:51 pm

LBJKBD12 wrote:Jazz have been good lately and surely it is no coincidence with Gobert beasting. Where do Jazz fans stand on Trey Burke? Imo he is a poor PG, surely he is not there future PG?.


We're hoping it's Exum, but he's a few years away. Utah will roll with Trey until he either improves or we can work out a trade. Like you said, Gobert is undoubtedly rubbing off on players, and even Burke is looking a little better. Rudy's impact on the team on the defensive end is ridiculous. Everybody plays better when Rudy is on the floor. This guy has presence.
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Post#153 » by JMac1 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 2:16 pm

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Last night against Duncan not Steven Adams?!! Duncan 12pts 7 Rebs. Len 2-5 4pt 12 Rebs and 2 blocks. Our Ball Hogs are killing Len!!!


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You can like who you want, but I can tell by what some of the posters are saying about Len shows they have never seen him play, here is a little something to help you out so you won't look like a fool in the future when having this discussion. :wink:

Gobert has a high ceiling, but it isn't higher than Len's.

Anyways, it is looking like the 2013 draft isn't the worst ever.
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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#154 » by Hedda Gambler » Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:08 pm

JMac1 wrote:Gobert has a high ceiling, but it isn't higher than Len's.

Anyways, it is looking like the 2013 draft isn't the worst ever.


I really don`t know why you keep bothering with this. In a thread about Rudy Gobert, you have to go on and on about Alex Len? I get that you like your players - which you should do - but what is your point? Is it that your guy has scored 1 - one - point more than Rudy Gobert while playing a total of 13 minutes more this year? Is it that Len does not beat Rudy in any statistical category except for free throws?
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Post#155 » by JMac1 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:43 pm

What are you talking about? Going on and on about Len? I just read a thread on Gobert and Len's name came into the conversation. From some of the comments, I see people don't know what they are talking about so I provided some insight on Len. You don't have to get butt hurt because film don't lie and it displays that Len has an offensive ceiling that dwarfs Rudy's so you say look at the stats.....lol

Look at the film. Don't hate because some other center is better than yours!!
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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#156 » by MotownMadness » Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:48 pm

Kid looks pretty good
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Post#157 » by rockersdash » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:05 pm

I missed the opportunity to pick him up in fantasy..

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Re: What's Rudy Gobert's Ceiling? 

Post#158 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:24 pm

orlandomanic wrote:
Damon_3388 wrote:
orlandomanic wrote:He will never be an all star, but i think at best he could be a 12/9 guy. Just like DeAndre, McGee, and Drummond, his free throw shooting is horrible and that will be what limits his playing time and 4th quarter appearances.


He's shooting .692 from the line this year. Not mindblowing, but hardly "horrible".

What I like about him for a young big, especially one that contests shots often, is that his foul rate is pretty low, and his block-to-foul ratio is pretty high. Shows that he can play hard and smart. Can be a bit fumbly and turn the ball over a little too much on offense though, considering his role.

I see him turning out like Tyson Chandler, or at least being molded into that type of player. Pretty good value for an foreign big coming late in the first round. Seems to be a lot further along and much more of a sure thing than someone of similar age and size like Lucas Nogueira, who was taken eleven spots higher in the same draft.


When has Gobert ever shot .692 from the line??? he is shooting .650 from the line. like i said, he is a good prospect and i can see him at 12/9 role player, but he won't be able to play in the fourth and finish games unless its a blow out. he needs to do better than JaVale McGee and Mark Eaton and improve on his free throw shooting


Sorry but wut? How are guys shooting 65% from the line not allowed to play during 4th quarters. That's good efficient basketball.
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Post#159 » by jazzfan1971 » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:24 pm

I have him in my keeper league.
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Post#160 » by HawaiianJazzFan » Sat Jan 10, 2015 6:25 pm

JMac1 wrote:What are you talking about? Going on and on about Len? I just read a thread on Gobert and Len's name came into the conversation. From some of the comments, I see people don't know what they are talking about so I provided some insight on Len. You don't have to get butt hurt because film don't lie and it displays that Len has an offensive ceiling that dwarfs Rudy's so you say look at the stats.....lol

Look at the film. Don't hate because some other center is better than yours!!


I love all the objective support and proof you show to back your statements, although honestly, that is what I'd do if there was no objective evidence whatsoever out there, that Len was outplaying Rudy. You couldn't find anyone in the Jazz organization that would consider trading Gobert for Len.

Len was brought up by a Sun's fan

Film, stats, highlights, everything you could think of suggests that Gobert's Defensive ceiling dwarf's Lens.

BTW, check out how well Len is defending the rim...

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/defense/?sort=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*15%7CBLK*G*1

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