Jeff Green Traded to the Memphis Grizzlies (official woj tweet page 1)

[JohnB]

Rondo and green gave up here. What more do we want?

I don't think that's accurate. Green was having a very good year up to the Rondo trade (after which he completely went in the tank, but can you blame him when the team broadcast to the world that he was as good as gone?) and Rondo was hardly dogging it (the efficiency issues were obviously not effort related given his continuing struggles in Dallas and his contract year motivation) - the guy was leading the league in assists and putting up triple doubles.

The Ainge quote refers to clearing out veteran leaders to make room for young guys to take on a leadership role and take ownership of the team.

Rondo was just all around awful the past two seasons. Last year he played abominable basketball and this year he was clearly stat padding rebounds and assists while just proving how terrible of an offensive weapon he truly is. Some of that is effort related, some of it is just his lack of ability offensively.

I think Rondo and Green simply didn't take any ownership, for their flaws, or the fact that they were playing lazy and uninspired ball, but in Green's defense, he's basically always been that guy. These guys weren't executing or even attempting to execute Coach Stevens strategies with half the effort that Bradley, Smart and Crowder have been.

They were guys going through the motions and Ainge sold them off for chips. It is what it is. History is history. I appreciate Ainge for putting a little whiff of the truth out there and I'm happy the team has finally moved on and committed to these young players.

Do you watch the games?

[Slartibartfast]

Rondo and green gave up here. What more do we want?

I don't think that's accurate. Green was having a very good year up to the Rondo trade (after which he completely went in the tank, but can you blame him when the team broadcast to the world that he was as good as gone?) and Rondo was hardly dogging it (the efficiency issues were obviously not effort related given his continuing struggles in Dallas and his contract year motivation) - the guy was leading the league in assists and putting up triple doubles.

The Ainge quote refers to clearing out veteran leaders to make room for young guys to take on a leadership role and take ownership of the team.

Rondo was just all around awful the past two seasons. Last year he played abominable basketball and this year he was clearly stat padding rebounds and assists while just proving how terrible of an offensive weapon he truly is. Some of that is effort related, some of it is just his lack of ability offensively.

I think Rondo and Green simply didn't take any ownership, for their flaws, or the fact that they were playing lazy and uninspired ball, but in Green's defense, he's basically always been that guy. These guys weren't executing or even attempting to execute Coach Stevens strategies with half the effort that Bradley, Smart and Crowder have been.

They were guys going through the motions and Ainge sold them off for chips. It is what it is. History is history. I appreciate Ainge for putting a little whiff of the truth out there and I'm happy the team has finally moved on and committed to these young players.

A little whiff of the truth or blood for the sharks? I just don't see the need or justification for treating Rondo and Green as the objects of two-minute hates, and I don't think Ainge intended to inspire any ex post facto witch hunts with his comments.

The common sense reading of this is that the young guys weren't capable of taking leadership and ownership with Rondo and Green with the reins. Nothing nefarious about that.

[Captain_Caveman]

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LOL

Here's one for you. As discussed yesterday, $1.3m is pretty much the exact amount in paid salary that Bargnani will make above Prince after the trade deadline this year.

Prince for Bargnani and a couple of 2nds gets the Knicks out of the tax this year, with the Grizzlies assuming the extra cost for us.

Hrm.

[humblebum]

I don't think that's accurate. Green was having a very good year up to the Rondo trade (after which he completely went in the tank, but can you blame him when the team broadcast to the world that he was as good as gone?) and Rondo was hardly dogging it (the efficiency issues were obviously not effort related given his continuing struggles in Dallas and his contract year motivation) - the guy was leading the league in assists and putting up triple doubles.

The Ainge quote refers to clearing out veteran leaders to make room for young guys to take on a leadership role and take ownership of the team.

Rondo was just all around awful the past two seasons. Last year he played abominable basketball and this year he was clearly stat padding rebounds and assists while just proving how terrible of an offensive weapon he truly is. Some of that is effort related, some of it is just his lack of ability offensively.

I think Rondo and Green simply didn't take any ownership, for their flaws, or the fact that they were playing lazy and uninspired ball, but in Green's defense, he's basically always been that guy. These guys weren't executing or even attempting to execute Coach Stevens strategies with half the effort that Bradley, Smart and Crowder have been.

They were guys going through the motions and Ainge sold them off for chips. It is what it is. History is history. I appreciate Ainge for putting a little whiff of the truth out there and I'm happy the team has finally moved on and committed to these young players.

A little whiff of the truth or blood for the sharks? I just don't see the need or justification for treating Rondo and Green as the objects of two-minute hates, and I don't think Ainge intended to inspire any ex post facto witch hunts with his comments.

The common sense reading of this is that the young guys weren't capable of taking leadership and ownership with Rondo and Green with the reins. Nothing nefarious about that.

Were Rondo and Green really taking ownership for this teams results? I don't think they were at all from what I've seen this year. Both seemed preeminently concerned with their own stats and stature than anything related to executing what Stevens was asking of them.

Whatever, I can see the direction this is heading and it always will boil down to how our views diverge on the professionalism and effort of the players being discussed.

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LOL

Here's one for you. As discussed yesterday, $1.3m is pretty much the exact amount in paid salary that Bargnani will make above Prince after the trade deadline this year.

Prince for Bargnani and a couple of 2nds gets the Knicks out of the tax this year, with the Grizzlies assuming the extra cost for us.

Hrm.

Makes little sense for us, if we would like to use the Rondo TPE, then add 4 million more on our cap for Bargnani makes it harder to stay under luxury tax at the end of the season. We are like 12 million under it now.

[Captain_Caveman]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/555106678513754112[/tweet]

LOL

Here's one for you. As discussed yesterday, $1.3m is pretty much the exact amount in paid salary that Bargnani will make above Prince after the trade deadline this year.

Prince for Bargnani and a couple of 2nds gets the Knicks out of the tax this year, with the Grizzlies assuming the extra cost for us.

Hrm.

Makes little sense for us, if we would like to use the Rondo TPE, then add 4 million more on our cap for Bargnani makes it harder to stay under luxury tax at the end of the season. We are like 12 million under it now.

You'd rather absorb the entire Bargnani salary while also not retaining the Rondo TPE?

[lon3lytoaster]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/EricPincus/status/555106678513754112[/tweet]

LOL

Here's one for you. As discussed yesterday, $1.3m is pretty much the exact amount in paid salary that Bargnani will make above Prince after the trade deadline this year.

Prince for Bargnani and a couple of 2nds gets the Knicks out of the tax this year, with the Grizzlies assuming the extra cost for us.

Hrm.

Makes little sense for us, if we would like to use the Rondo TPE, then add 4 million more on our cap for Bargnani makes it harder to stay under luxury tax at the end of the season. We are like 12 million under it now.

I was gonna say that we won't use the TPE until at least the draft, but then I remembered players don't officially come off the books until after the draft, so hypothetically - if we traded for Bargnani with Prince - and then on draft night used the TPE, how would that effect what we'd pay in luxury tax, if at all?

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Caveman, not sure you understood me, i didnt say to absorb Bargnani with the TPE, but if we use it and add 4 million more for what Bargs makes over Prince and we've added 17 million in salary, so we'd be luxury tax payers, unless Ainge clears more room before the deadline (Bass,Thornton).

toaster, not sure what you meant, I think until june 30 players salaries counts for what they make for this season, 2014-15 and then their new salaries kicks in after july 1st.

[jfs1000d]

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LOL

Here's one for you. As discussed yesterday, $1.3m is pretty much the exact amount in paid salary that Bargnani will make above Prince after the trade deadline this year.

Prince for Bargnani and a couple of 2nds gets the Knicks out of the tax this year, with the Grizzlies assuming the extra cost for us.

Hrm.

I think that covers Austin Rivers' salary.

Add the difference between Green and Prince's salary and bring in Rivers' salary.

Obviously, the Griz did the deal for LT purposes. Celtics didn't need a 3-way and had to pickup an extra cost to do the deal. We essentially have Austin Rivers for free. Imagine that's what Rivers is owed for the rest of the year.

[Celts17Pride]

Jason Jones @mr_jasonjones
Kings looking to make a deal. No blockbuster but Ramon Sessions could be on the move. Jordan Farmar a possible target, per source

Not sure how this impacts the Austin Rivers trade to the Clippers. Jordan Farmer is who the Clippers wanted to send back to the Celtics but Ainge doesn't want additional salary beyond this year. Sessions has an extra year on his contract too. Ainge is probably going to have a 4 way deal just to rid himself of Austin Rivers. LOL!

[rickrolled]

Ainge is grabbing Doc's nuts in this deal..Imagine Doc seeing his son waived by an NBA team after his option wasn't picked up by his former team.

He'll make Doc give up pieces to get Rivers and weaken the Clippers because we own their pick this year.

[Celts17Pride]

Chris Mannix @ChrisMannixSI about 6 minutes ago
The Celtics are negotiating a buyout with forward Tayshaun Prince, NBA sources tell SI.com. Nothing finalized yet.

[Captain_Caveman]

Caveman, not sure you understood me, i didnt say to absorb Bargnani with the TPE, but if we use it and add 4 million more for what Bargs makes over Prince and we've added 17 million in salary, so we'd be luxury tax payers, unless Ainge clears more room before the deadline (Bass,Thornton).

toaster, not sure what you meant, I think until june 30 players salaries counts for what they make for this season, 2014-15 and then their new salaries kicks in after july 1st.

OK, get all that. But what do you think that last $3.8m worth of the TPE would get us that is worth more than two 2nd rounders?

Clearly don't see Ainge clogging up payroll/cap room with useless salaries that extend beyond this year. Takes options off the table before free agency even starts. If we use the TPE at all, I suspect that it would be in lieu of going the cap room route.

[SuperDeluxe]

Ainge is grabbing Doc's nuts in this deal..Imagine Doc seeing his son waived by an NBA team after his option wasn't picked up by his former team.

He'll make Doc give up pieces to get Rivers and weaken the Clippers because we own their pick this year.

Danny is a crafty SOB He must have an intern calling the Clippers every few hours telling them how much time they have left to comply.

I don't think Doc will end up giving much for the hostage, though.

[aim2please]

http://media.espn929.com/a/100854233/grizzlies-vp-john-hollinger-on-the-chris-vernon-show-1-13-15.htm

Hollinger talking about Green trade. Interesting stuff, especially when host asked him to explain comments he made in 2012 about Jeff being a terrible contract

I <3 Danny. Btw, I expect something like this next week

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Boston is sending it's mascot Lucky to the Nets for unprotected 1st round pick, source tells Yahoo.

[Banks2Pierce]

I don't think this is that noteworthy. We were deep with legit role players but our starters were outclassed. That's not going to get better now that more of our former bench is starting and our bench is less deep.

I've considered that side of the argument and I think it weighs in somewhat, but it is not the case statistically for Sullinger and Bradley. I think Green is just a black hole sucking up the talent of those around him at both ends.

[Captain_Caveman]

I don't think this is that noteworthy. We were deep with legit role players but our starters were outclassed. That's not going to get better now that more of our former bench is starting and our bench is less deep.

I've considered that side of the argument and I think it weighs in somewhat, but it is not the case statistically for Sullinger and Bradley. I think Green is just a black hole sucking up the talent of those around him at both ends.

Some truth to that as well. But with all the guys going out, others are going to get "promoted" to the level of their incompetence IMO. The Peter Principle.

We'll end up with weaker starters and a weaker bench.

Do like Crowder and Smart, but one isn't good and the other isn't experienced.