Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

breakchains · Post #2621 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:42 pm

KDBG wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:That said, I think it would be best if our point guard of the future were taller. Like, say, 6'6". If the Jazz have a guy like that I'm sure a deal could PROBABLY be worked out.

Interesting, cause I was just thinking the only guy you guys would give up Knight for would be Exum. But it's a risk for both parties, Jazz give up limitless potential for a closer to finished product. While the Bucks would be giving up arguably their best player for an unknown.

The Jazz are in a weird predicament right now where all we're really missing is a really good PG. Gobert, Favors, and Hayward are ready for primetime, but it might take until they are all in their mid to late 20s when and if Exum pans out. Knight would be an absolutely perfect fit for the Jazz right now who expect their PGs to be good shooters.

As for the Bucks, Greek Freek, Jabari, and Exum would be league-pass material, and maybe contenders in the next 3-5 years. A 6'6 PG with a 6'11 SG would be nuts.

Gobert works too.

breakchains · Post #2622 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:44 pm

By the way, I bet at least some in the Jazz building are worried enough about Exum that they'd listen to offers right now. He's a guy I'd like to go after with guys like Knight/Henson/etc. but as with most Bucks personnel related things, I'm too cynical that we'd actually make shrewd moves.

KDBG · Post #2623 » by **KDBG** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:46 pm

breakchains wrote:Gobert works too.

Lol, no thanks. What Greek Freak means to you guys is how Gobert is to us. He's a legit top center in the making.

Post #2624 » by **ReasonablySober** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:46 pm

I've often wondered this season if, because of Knight's box score stats, there's a legit market out there for him. At this point I'd probably include an asset like Middleton or Henson in a deal just to entice some stupid team to take Knight off out hands. I'm scared s*itless that the Bucks are going to give him a contract that pays him $12 million annually. That's horrifying.

But I see some national dudes saying Knight should be an All Star. He's being given credit for the Bucks relative success. I would like to think the 30 people in charge of NBA rosters are the 30 most qualified and best suited to do so, but we all know that's not remotely true. I wonder if there are any out there who are still PPGZ!!! and would give up a legit young asset for him.

If the Jazz would give up Exum they could literally take their pick of non-JP/GA assets. Knight, Middleton, Henson and our 1st? Sure!

breakchains · Post #2625 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:46 pm

KDBG wrote:Lol, no thanks. What Greek Freak means to you guys is how Gobert is to us. He's a legit top center in the making.

Yeah. Just coming to grips with another young prospect whose ship has sailed for us.

breakchains · Post #2626 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:50 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I've often wondered this season if, because of Knight's box score stats, there's a legit market out there for him. At this point I'd probably include an asset like Middleton or Henson in a deal just to entice some stupid team to take Knight off out hands. I'm scared s*itless that the Bucks are going to give him a contract that pays him $12 million annually. That's horrifying.

But I see some national dudes saying Knight should be an All Star. He's being given credit for the Bucks relative success. I would like to think the 30 people in charge of NBA rosters are the 30 most qualified and best suited to do so, but we all know that's not remotely true. I wonder if there are any out there who are still PPGZ!!! and would give up a legit young asset for him.

If the Jazz would give up Exum they could literally take their pick of non-JP/GA assets. Knight, Middleton, Henson and our 1st? Sure!

I'm nearly certain we could swing something quite nice if we decided to move Knight. Not moving him as I have been advocating has been good in that he has legitimately raised his value. I just think that it also suckers the Bucks into thinking they have a core piece, so the end result is worse (we keep him at a big contract).

breakchains · Post #2627 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:50 pm

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Insomniaac · Post #2628 » by **Insomniaac** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:50 pm

KDBG wrote:
breakchains wrote:Gobert works too.

Lol, no thanks. What Greek Freak means to you guys is how Gobert is to us. He's a legit top center in the making.

Yeah, I don't think people realize how high Utah's valuation on him is. I wanted him badly last year when he wasn't playing much but if that was ever a possibility it has long since passed

Insomniaac · Post #2629 » by **Insomniaac** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:50 pm

KDBG wrote:
breakchains wrote:Gobert works too.

Lol, no thanks. What Greek Freak means to you guys is how Gobert is to us. He's a legit top center in the making.

Yeah, I don't think people realize how high Utah's valuation on him is. I wanted him badly last year when he wasn't playing much but if that was ever a possibility it has long since passed

breakchains · Post #2630 » by **breakchains** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:50 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I've often wondered this season if, because of Knight's box score stats, there's a legit market out there for him. At this point I'd probably include an asset like Middleton or Henson in a deal just to entice some stupid team to take Knight off out hands. I'm scared s*itless that the Bucks are going to give him a contract that pays him $12 million annually. That's horrifying.

But I see some national dudes saying Knight should be an All Star. He's being given credit for the Bucks relative success. I would like to think the 30 people in charge of NBA rosters are the 30 most qualified and best suited to do so, but we all know that's not remotely true. I wonder if there are any out there who are still PPGZ!!! and would give up a legit young asset for him.

If the Jazz would give up Exum they could literally take their pick of non-JP/GA assets. Knight, Middleton, Henson and our 1st? Sure!

I'm nearly certain we could swing something quite nice if we decided to move Knight. Not moving him as I have been advocating has been good in that he has legitimately raised his value. I just think that it also suckers the Bucks into thinking they have a core piece, so the end result is worse (we keep him at a big contract).

drew881 · Post #2631 » by **drew881** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:50 pm

I would do both deals (first or not) in a second. Puts us firmly back into rebuilding mode. Do the Jazz need Middleton though? They have Burks. I'd love to give them someone like JOB instead but obviously that becomes less appealing. Do the Jazz really need Knight though? Isn't he pretty similar to Burke?

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #2632 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:54 pm

zero interest in overpaying for exum. I didn't get it before the draft (and I watched 5-6 games of his start to finish). and I certainly don't get it now. just seems like a guy to me.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #2633 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:54 pm

I'd pay the Clips 1st and our 1st for Exum. Our pick is going to be 15-18 next year. Exum is a Tier 1 prospect and fixes the problem of paying Knight this offseason. I don't know why the Jazz would move him. But I'd be all about him.

breakchains · Post #2634 » by **breakchains** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:00 am

EastSideBucksFan wrote:I'd pay the Clips 1st and our 1st for Exum. Our pick is going to be 15-18 next year. Exum is a Tier 1 prospect and fixes the problem of paying Knight this offseason. I don't know why the Jazz would move him. But I'd be all about him.

Because he hasn't shown enough of what you'd want to see from a 19 year old such that it has likely given some in the organization about whether he was the right pick. Especially in light of the fact that there was no college season to rely on, it likely has given people in the organization even more doubt, since it required even more blind faith than drafting your normal 19 year old.

Not sure they'd move him ultimately, but my guess is that some in the org would be open to listening.

GrandAdmiralDan · Post #2635 » by **GrandAdmiralDan** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:03 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
If the Jazz would give up Exum they could literally take their pick of non-JP/GA assets. Knight, Middleton, Henson and our 1st? Sure!

I couldn't agree more with this. Ideally I'd like to keep our 2015 1st & Middleton, but if it takes including them, so be it. Quality over quantity when it comes to finding a player to build around with Giannis and Jabari.

But yeah, I would love to keep Middleton & the 2015 1st. Offer Knight, Henson, Clippers 1st, Bucks 2016 or 2017 1st. We should be offering that package to every team to see what it can net us.

Time to consolidate assets.

Frank Nova · Post #2636 » by **Frank Nova** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:04 am

Matches Malone wrote:Saw this on my timeline. Nothing of substance from Kyler on the Lawson front but thought that tidbit about the Bucks preferring Knight as a 2 was interesting.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/557304150313426944[/tweet]

I don't really know what the general consensus on Ty Lawson is around here but the thought of him to MKE makes me crazy excited. Id throw 2 1sts at Denver yesterday if I knew it was a done deal. Lawson is a needle mover imo and I see a Lawson Knight back court having success. Would basically make us the EC Suns but I'm good with that because we have big guards and long bigs so we can be built to have that Lightning in a bottle back court.

I realize the injury concern with Lawson and the fact he may not be the greatest defender but I'd be willing to take any risk that may come with it. If we can keep this team intact and simply add Lawson for draft picks, like I said, I would've done it already.

Lawson/Knight/Mayo > Jennings/Ellis/Redick

Jason Kidd and Co. >>>>>>>>>>>> Scott Skiles/Jim Boylan and Co.

And I'm not saying Id even start that lineup because I wouldn't but I am saying it would be a super nice luxury to play "small ball" with those 3, Giannis and Henson. Definitely a lineup built to put 20 up on anyone in a real hurry. That's how I see it atleast. Not sure if I'm in the minority or majority.

drew881 · Post #2637 » by **drew881** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:05 am

Think about trading for Exum this way. Put Exum to the side for a second. Would you trade a mid 1st rounder and a late first rounder for a top 7 pick in the draft a year from now? Because that is what you are doing if you trade Knight. We immediately remove 18 ppg and whatever else Knight brings to the table and insert a guy who can't play right now. So we would be getting a 2016 top 7 pick AND Exum. It would put us back on track for a rebuild, and justify trading all those other guys: Ersan, Sanders, Zaza, Mayo, etc.

KDBG · Post #2638 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:05 am

ReasonablySober wrote:If the Jazz would give up Exum they could literally take their pick of non-JP/GA assets. Knight, Middleton, Henson and our 1st? Sure!

Oops, I And'1 you on accident, but I guess you deserve one for making me fall for that sarcastic Knight bulls***, lol. But btw, have you watched any Exum this year at all? You've probably seen my posts in this thread about him already, but calling the dude a scared ass puppy would be generous at this point. Giving up on a 19 year old with a world of potential would be stupid in most cases, but just go to Twitter and simply type in Exum. And tell you how many Jazz fans you see saying the exact same things as I said. It's a LEGITIMATE concern. Especially for a guy we picked to be the face of our franchise. Maybe that bizarre article about the Bucks' shrink talking about Exum's mental makeup or whatever wasn't totally crazy.

mlloyd10 · Post #2639 » by **mlloyd10** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:06 am

GrandAdmiralDan wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
If the Jazz would give up Exum they could literally take their pick of non-JP/GA assets. Knight, Middleton, Henson and our 1st? Sure!

I couldn't agree more with this. Ideally I'd like to keep our 2015 1st & Middleton, but if it takes including them, so be it. Quality over quantity when it comes to finding a player to build around with Giannis and Jabari.

But yeah, I would love to keep Middleton & the 2015 1st. Offer Knight, Henson, Clippers 1st, Bucks 2016 or 2017 1st. We should be offering that package to every team to see what it can net us.

Time to consolidate assets.

You hearing anything regarding trades?

Dcebucks11 · Post #2640 » by **Dcebucks11** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:07 am

Jazz would be dumb to give up exum.. He's just young and raw like giannis is.