76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Drills

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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#101 » by OleSchool » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:43 pm

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2LeTTeRS wrote:Do we really have Sixers fans in here circle jerking because Embiid "only" maxed out at 275 not 300?


uhhh yes. Sixers fans are the most jaded fans in sports right now. I must be the only one not sipping the kool aid. They are all holding hands, singing prayers, and telling each other that everything is going to be alright even though there is no factual evidence of anything being ok. This team could be miserable for a decade.


No, this team was miserable for the decade BEFORE Hinkie got here. At least we have a direction now, and hope for the future
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#103 » by snoopdogg88 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:53 pm

RealGM cracks me up.

The last decade of boring mediocre Sixers basketball was a lot more embarrassing than what the team is now. People acting like we should be ashamed that we didn't sign the Calvin Booth's and Luke Ridnour's of the world to fill out the roster.

I'm actually proud to be Sixers fan with smart guys like Brett Brown and Sam Hinkie in charge instead of freaking Ed Snider, Billy King and Ed Stefanski doing their hardest to lock us into the 7th seed every year.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#105 » by hookshot199 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 7:49 pm

GreenWithEnvy wrote:
2LeTTeRS wrote: Sixers fans are the most jaded fans in sports right now. I must be the only one not sipping the kool aid. They are all holding hands, singing prayers, and telling each other that everything is going to be alright even though there is no factual evidence of anything being ok. This team could be miserable for a decade.



Or it could be great for a decade. It's possible the Sixers won't become one of the elites if it's true that Embiid has a bad work ethic. On the other hand, don't forget that Chamberlain, a Philly icon, had a bad work ethic and still succeeded in scoring more points than anyone alive until Michael Jordan came on the scene and had nearly 24,000 rebounds (22.9 rebounds/game). He missed a year to play with the Globetrotters. It's true that Bill Russell won more championships. It's also true that Bill Russell had a better surrounding cast.

But seriously, a more serious issue with respect to Embiid is if he proves to be injury-prone like Yao. Then you might be right in your assessment that the Sixers could be miserable for a decade.

On the other hand, in case you missed the game, Embiid's performance against Oklahoma State was one of the most remarkable performances by a big - still only 19 years old at the time - going back to Lew Alcindor, Hakeem the Dream and Bill Walton. This was only his 20th college game.

Here's your factual evidence, Green.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOTtf5ldtI
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#106 » by 83SixersRocked » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:49 pm

2LeTTeRS wrote:Do we really have Sixers fans in here circle jerking because Embiid "only" maxed out at 275 not 300?

Which ones? Should we alert them that you're watching?
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#107 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:25 pm

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Post#108 » by mateo82 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:35 pm

Embiid is just an injured guy who talks too much.

I think the bigger story in Philly is that Noel has kind of sucked so far. For a guy who looked like a force in summer league and came in with a lot of hype I think you have to be concerned by how average he looks.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#109 » by Jay10 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:41 pm

is that code for:

We want Okafor and Embiid's on the trading block?
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#110 » by HawaiianJazzFan » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:05 am

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Bubstubbler wrote:He's an all-time-great prospect. He put up historic numbers as a freshman center (only matched by Robinson/Mourning/Hakeem/Ewing/Oden), and yet he's a guy who is actually a far better prospect than his numbers show (since he only started playing organized basketball about 3 years ago and is improving at an astounding rate).

I guess you mean his per 40 numbers based on an article that compared him to these guys right?

There are plenty of players that had comperable numbers to Embiid and didnt do much in the NBA:
Embiid per 40: 19.4/14/4.5

Whiteside: 20.1/13.4/8.2

Eddie Griffin: 21.8/13.2/5.4

Tyrus Thomas: 19.1/14.2/4.8

Tony Mitchell: 20.1/14.1/4.1

And probably many others that you can find if you took the time, looking at stats in some arbitrary way to make guys look better usually results in disappointments.
I like Embiid and I think if healthy he could be a future all start and maybe even a HOF player down the road but its far from a sure thing.

Believe this is what he was referring to.

http://hoopsanalyst.com/?p=1259

That Embiid tops the 2014 list of draft prospects shouldn’t be a surprise. He’s a rim-protecting center with a ton of potential on offense. As someone who has only started playing the game within the last 2 years his upside would seem limitless. Here are the freshmen centers who topped .600 2PP, 17.0 P40, 10.0 R40 and 4.0 B40 as Embiid did:

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That’s 4 HOFers and one guy who just couldn’t stay healthy enough to have a chance to make it there (AD also topped those numbers). Prospects who become busts don’t post numbers like Joel Embiid did this past year. While there are flags that are varying degrees of red in the stats of the other top prospects, everything about Joel Embiid says he’ll be a dominant NBA player.


http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-76ers-have-already-won.html?spref=fb


Demarcus Cousins put up better numbers than Embiid.
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Post#111 » by snoopdogg88 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:08 am

mateo82 wrote:Embiid is just an injured guy who talks too much.

I think the bigger story in Philly is that Noel has kind of sucked so far. For a guy who looked like a force in summer league and came in with a lot of hype I think you have to be concerned by how average he looks.


I have no issues being critical of players on the Sixers, but with all due respect you sound like somewhat who just looks at the box score, and doesn't watch the games.

Noel's has a pretty significant impact on the defensive end. Everyone knew his offense was raw, and as a prospect he's still very raw.

He's been fine for a rookie. I wish he was showing more offensively, but thats not who he is.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#112 » by Mik317 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:10 am

mateo82 wrote:Embiid is just an injured guy who talks too much.

I think the bigger story in Philly is that Noel has kind of sucked so far. For a guy who looked like a force in summer league and came in with a lot of hype I think you have to be concerned by how average he looks.


Watch Games Not BoxScores.

Noel has been playing quite well lately. Not amazing or HOF worthy but well. You can begin to see the impact he can have defensively and he is less lost on Offense than before.

You gotta watch the games to see this.
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Re: Philly: 76ers Questioning Embiid's Work Ethic & Maturity, Weighs 300 Pounds Now, Feuding With Coaches, Skipping Dril 

Post#113 » by Mediocrity » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:19 am

Yeah, I was always just checking boxscores to check on Noel's progress, but after watching him play last week, his defence is already quite good. He could be a terror on that end in his prime.
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Post#114 » by MagicStarwipe » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:27 am

Mik317 wrote:
mateo82 wrote:Embiid is just an injured guy who talks too much.

I think the bigger story in Philly is that Noel has kind of sucked so far. For a guy who looked like a force in summer league and came in with a lot of hype I think you have to be concerned by how average he looks.


Watch Games Not BoxScores.

Noel has been playing quite well lately. Not amazing or HOF worthy but well. You can begin to see the impact he can have defensively and he is less lost on Offense than before.

You gotta watch the games to see this.


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Post#115 » by mateo82 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:41 am

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mateo82 wrote:Embiid is just an injured guy who talks too much.

I think the bigger story in Philly is that Noel has kind of sucked so far. For a guy who looked like a force in summer league and came in with a lot of hype I think you have to be concerned by how average he looks.


I have no issues being critical of players on the Sixers, but with all due respect you sound like somewhat who just looks at the box score, and doesn't watch the games.

Noel's has a pretty significant impact on the defensive end. Everyone knew his offense was raw, and as a prospect he's still very raw.

He's been fine for a rookie. I wish he was showing more offensively, but thats not who he is.


I mean, you could say the same thing about Jason Collins, we had higher expectations than that for Noel.
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Post#116 » by Mik317 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 1:05 am

mateo82 wrote:
snoopdogg88 wrote:
mateo82 wrote:Embiid is just an injured guy who talks too much.

I think the bigger story in Philly is that Noel has kind of sucked so far. For a guy who looked like a force in summer league and came in with a lot of hype I think you have to be concerned by how average he looks.


I have no issues being critical of players on the Sixers, but with all due respect you sound like somewhat who just looks at the box score, and doesn't watch the games.

Noel's has a pretty significant impact on the defensive end. Everyone knew his offense was raw, and as a prospect he's still very raw.

He's been fine for a rookie. I wish he was showing more offensively, but thats not who he is.


I mean, you could say the same thing about Jason Collins, we had higher expectations than that for Noel.


who?

Noel was raw as **** IN COLLEGE. Anyone who expected different in the NBA is an idiot. He was highly regarded because of his defensive potential...and we are seeing why (not consistently...because whoa Rookies generally aren't).. His offense was ALWAYS going to be a massive work in progress.

I'm not saying he is playing beyond expectations either as offensively he is more broken that I expected at times but to say that he's sucked shows a clear lack of understanding and makes it seem like you are just scoreboard watching....
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Post#117 » by hookshot199 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 2:22 am

mateo82 wrote:
snoopdogg88 wrote:[quote="mateo82"I mean, you could say the same thing about Jason Collins, we had higher expectations than that for Noel.


My expectation for Noel is to be Marcus Camby one day. Sorry Mate, it's still too soon to say. Camby was a 22-year-old junior when he took U-Mass to the final four in 1996, then came out the following year. Noel is still 20. In his rookie year, Camby (who turned 23 in March 1997), scored 14.8 points/game, grabbed 6.3 rebounds and blocked 2.1 shots. For his career: 9.5 points, 9.8 rebounds and 2.4 blocks.

Noel, who turns 21 in April, is on track to score 8.0 points/game while grabbing 7.2 rebounds and blocking 1.6 shots. Truly it's too soon to say. Except: He's not that far off Camby's career pace despite having missed an entire season.

Granted, he's on a team where statistics aren't so meaningful. Nevertheless, it's short-sighted of you to think he's a bust.
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Post#118 » by philly5 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 3:44 am

mateo82 wrote:Embiid is just an injured guy who talks too much.

I think the bigger story in Philly is that Noel has kind of sucked so far. For a guy who looked like a force in summer league and came in with a lot of hype I think you have to be concerned by how average he looks.

Nerlens leads rookies in rebounds, blocks, and steals. Any other dumb assertions?
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Post#119 » by flash22 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:47 am

Am I the only one who would rather him be at 300? The guy would be a beast at that weight.
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Post#120 » by Mik317 » Tue Jan 20, 2015 5:57 am

flash22 wrote:Am I the only one who would rather him be at 300? The guy would be a beast at that weight.


Broken Foot probably says that is a bad idea.

I still don't know how Shaq lasted as long as he did as big as he was
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