Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

WeekapaugGroove · Post #2641 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:11 am

breakchains wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:I'd pay the Clips 1st and our 1st for Exum. Our pick is going to be 15-18 next year. Exum is a Tier 1 prospect and fixes the problem of paying Knight this offseason. I don't know why the Jazz would move him. But I'd be all about him.

Because he hasn't shown enough of what you'd want to see from a 19 year old such that it has likely given some in the organization about whether he was the right pick. Especially in light of the fact that there was no college season to rely on, it likely has given people in the organization even more doubt, since it required even more blind faith than drafting your normal 19 year old.

Not sure they'd move him ultimately, but my guess is that some in the org would be open to listening.

They won't move him. I can't even think of the last time a lotto pick was moved inseason his first year. Chauncy Billips twenty years ago? Probably some guy on a good win now team I'm forgetting but my point is it just doesn't really happen very often. Staukas is reportedly available but the Kings are a weird team that does weird stuff so I consider that an anomaly (and he probably won't end up traded)

Even if a guy is struggling and behind closed doors there's regret in taking him it's hard to admit a mistake that quickly. Plus realistically most rookies are bad; some way worse than others. Teams know this and for the most part look for a jump in year 2 once they have a full season of NBA coaching and conditioning. Now if that player is failing year two then organizations will look to cut bait.

Insomniaac · Post #2642 » by **Insomniaac** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:13 am

edit: strange, 20-minute-later double post

KDBG · Post #2643 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:13 am

Dcebucks11 wrote:Jazz would be dumb to give up exum.. He's just young and raw like giannis is.

Probably not smart right this second, but it's not crazy to think that this a year from now if he's still not showing signs of, you know, balls. Some guys show and act like they want to be someone great. Exum has shown not an ounce of that so far.

Btw, I love seeing how fans view opposing teams players and vice versa. It's hilarious how different you guys view Exum, and how different I view Knight. But it should be humbling to all of us because it shows we think we know everything, but we really don't know s***.

KDBG · Post #2644 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:14 am

MKE wrote:
KDBG wrote:
breakchains wrote:Gobert works too.

Lol, no thanks. What Greek Freak means to you guys is how Gobert is to us. He's a legit top center in the making.

Yeah, I don't think people realize how high Utah's valuation on him is. I wanted him badly last year when he wasn't playing much but if that was ever a possibility it has long since passed

Yeah, the dude is our franchise player for sure.

Insomniaac · Post #2645 » by **Insomniaac** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:16 am

KDBG wrote:
Dcebucks11 wrote:Jazz would be dumb to give up exum.. He's just young and raw like giannis is.

Probably not smart right this second, but it's not crazy to think that this a year from now if he's still not showing signs of, you know, balls. Some guys show and act like they want to be someone great. Exum has shown not an ounce of that so far.

Btw, I love seeing how fans view opposing teams players and vice versa. It's hilarious how different you guys view Exum, and how different I view Knight. But it should be humbling to all of us because it shows we think we know everything, but we really don't know s***.

Has Exum shown any flashes at all? I haven't watched much of you guys this year (though I try to because I think you've got one of the best young cores in the league).

Insomniaac · Post #2646 » by **Insomniaac** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:18 am

double post

Insomniaac · Post #2647 » by **Insomniaac** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:18 am

double post

Insomniaac · Post #2648 » by **Insomniaac** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:19 am

jesus christ this forum is freaking out for me, am I the only one?

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #2649 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:20 am

Dcebucks11 wrote:Jazz would be dumb to give up exum.. He's just young and raw like giannis is.

yeah except when we watch giannis we don't get scared shtless trying to figure out where the hype came from like most jazz fans are doing

breakchains · Post #2650 » by **breakchains** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:20 am

Dcebucks11 wrote:Jazz would be dumb to give up exum.. He's just young and raw like giannis is.

Setting aside whether they should get rid of Exum or not, it's not even close in terms of flashing brilliance. Giannis flashed so hard so early and often that 14 other GMs were likely kicking themselves in the preseason.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #2651 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:25 am

KDBG wrote:
Dcebucks11 wrote:Jazz would be dumb to give up exum.. He's just young and raw like giannis is.

Probably not smart right this second, but it's not crazy to think that this a year from now if he's still not showing signs of, you know, balls. Some guys show and act like they want to be someone great. Exum has shown not an ounce of that so far.

Btw, I love seeing how fans view opposing teams players and vice versa. It's hilarious how different you guys view Exum, and how different I view Knight. But it should be humbling to all of us because it shows we think we know everything, but we really don't know s***.

your assessments are pretty good. this board is just weird in this regard. they value young guys with upside far more than somebody they can nitpick. honestly the majority don't even want to win AT ALL for the next 2-3 years for perspective

breakchains · Post #2652 » by **breakchains** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:28 am

The hunger and fearlessness Giannis showed from day 1 alone puts him in a different category than Exum. Exum might be a late bloomer so to speak, but is not comparable to Giannis because of some of those intangibles he showed immediately upon stepping on the court - setting aside the crazy flashes of skill on the court.

KDBG · Post #2653 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:29 am

MKE wrote:Has Exum shown any flashes at all? I haven't watched much of you guys this year (though I try to because I think you've got one of the best young cores in the league).

Yeah, Gobert, Favors, and Hayward have been badasses this year. They're clearly are 3 best players, by a wide margin.

Exum has shown some flashes yes. But it seems like every game now he'll dribble the ball up the court, throw it to Hayward and just stand in the corner. People keep saying he's 19. But his very timid nature combined with the fact that he can't dribble with his left hand, his jump shot needs a lot of fine tuning, he has nearly an air ball a game is really scary. He had 2 the other night. He's horrible at shooting off the dribble too. He's not a PG right now imo, cause he isn't a very good playmaker, and he gets the ball poked out easily when he gets pressed. His ball handling is really not good. There's just a lot of work to be done. He'll at the very least though be a solid role player. He embraces being a good teammate. But that's sort of the problem, we drafted him to be an alpha dog type eventually. We want him to say, "I'm the man". Even our coach has got on him in the media to be more aggressive, but the same old timid Exum comes out. So yeah, top 5 PG potential, but there are so many things holding him back from that projection right now. Some are correctable over time, but some are less likely to ever be corrected.

KDBG · Post #2654 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:33 am

breakchains wrote:The hunger and fearlessness Giannis showed from day 1 alone puts him in a different category than Exum. Exum might be a late bloomer so to speak, but is not comparable to Giannis because of some of those intangibles he showed immediately upon stepping on the court - setting aside the crazy flashes of skill on the court.

EXACTLY, thank you. Some Bucks fans probably think I'm f***ing crazy talking about the Jazz trading Exum. Most superstars in this league show that hunger from day 1. That's why so many people are high on Giannis. It's not about just being young and raw, you can usually tell early on if someone has that drive. Exum looks scared to even have another human being touch his body during a basketball game. THAT's what makes me so worried. Also, he's had quotes along the lines of, "I know coach wants me to be aggressive, but it's hard cause I'm a team player, and that's how I've always been." That's not verbatim obviously, but it's damn near close.

KDBG · Post #2655 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:38 am

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:your assessments are pretty good. this board is just weird in this regard. they value young guys with upside far more than somebody they can nitpick. honestly the majority don't even want to win AT ALL for the next 2-3 years for perspective

That's how our board was with Hayward. Even I was hard on him before this season. And now we all look like dumb asses. He's a badman this year. Also, there was a weird moment on our board just recently that several people wanted to trade Favors for no apparent reason. Yes, the guy who's right behind Anthony Davis and DeMarcus Cousins in PER for bigmen in the NBA. It's funny, your board reminds me of ours in a lot of ways actually. Maybe it's the small market syndrome, where we get defensive about everything, and are just plain cynical as hell.

WeekapaugGroove · Post #2656 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:39 am

Kanter is somewhat intriguing because he's a talented offensive player. But since I think Parker will spend most of his time at the 4 I would be worried they would be the worst 4-5 defensive duo in the NBA.

bigkurty · Post #2657 » by **bigkurty** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:39 am

Exum has been pretty horrible thus far but I guess that's what might make him available right now. I would still be scared **** to give up too much for him. I guess I would want to know more about his work ethic and how much he actually loves basketball and wants to be great.

KDBG · Post #2658 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:41 am

bigkurty wrote:Exum has been pretty horrible thus far but I guess that's what might make him available right now. I would still be scared **** to give up too much for him. I guess I would want to know more about his work ethic and how much he actually loves basketball and wants to be great.

Yeah, don't think he's available from a front office perspective. Especially because ours has always been extremely conservative, almost to a fault sometimes. But from a fan's perspective, some think he should be available for the right price.

KDBG · Post #2659 » by **KDBG** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:43 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:Kanter is somewhat intriguing because he's a talented offensive player. But since I think Parker will spend most of his time at the 4 I would be worried they would be the worst 4-5 defensive duo in the NBA.

Yeah... Kanter and Favors are statically awful defensively, and Favors has always been known as a good defensive player. That tells you something right there. In most cases, Gobert and Kanter would be a perfect pairing. But Favors isn't going anywhere, so Kanter is naturally the odd man out.

bigkurty · Post #2660 » by **bigkurty** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 12:44 am

KDBG wrote:
breakchains wrote:The hunger and fearlessness Giannis showed from day 1 alone puts him in a different category than Exum. Exum might be a late bloomer so to speak, but is not comparable to Giannis because of some of those intangibles he showed immediately upon stepping on the court - setting aside the crazy flashes of skill on the court.

EXACTLY, thank you. Some Bucks fans probably think I'm f***ing crazy talking about the Jazz trading Exum. Most superstars in this league show that hunger from day 1. That's why so many people are high on Giannis. It's not about just being young and raw, you can usually tell early on if someone has that drive. Exum looks scared to even have another human being touch his body during a basketball game. THAT's what makes me so worried. Also, he's had quotes along the lines of, "I know coach wants me to be aggressive, but it's hard cause I'm a team player, and that's how I've always been." That's not verbatim obviously, but it's damn near close.

Damn, that's scary. That makes him such a huge gamble.